Date: 09-02-92 From: Jack Mathias To: Michael Corbin 컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴� -=> Quoting Michael Corbin to All <=- ........ Michael. Have read the following and feel that I have the right to interject my thoughts, etc. Not so much as for a defense to merely to clarify the points. In order to limit the message size I will omit any areas that do not pertain. Oh, before I start I will say that I remember sharing messages with the originator, Trevor Prinn. ....Jack L Mathias. - - - - - - MC> * Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo" MC> * Originally dated 08-30-92 MC> From: Trevor Prinn MC> I was quite interested in the Phoenix Project stuff until I read that MC> Paranet had obtained it from Jack L Mathias. About a year ago Jack MC> appeared in the Issues forum on Compuserve (CIS) with a couple of SF MC> stories he had written under the name Jay Lewis, and was claiming to MC> be true stories. They told of how he had been abducted by aliens on MC> numerous occasions and had eventually been informed by them that he MC> was himself an alien implanted into a human body and was, in reality, MC> the husband (or something) of one of his abductors. He was trying to MC> get them published as fiction but I didn't think he was likely to MC> succeed. .......... Mr. Trevor Prinn is right to a point. I did get involved in the Paranormal Issues thread concerning UFOs etc and the topic of adductions did come up. And as Trevor states, I did put two files into the library which concerned the issue. However what Mr. Prinn says about numerous abductions isn't exactly the way I put it. I told of my 1988 abduction and through this I learned I had been also abducted during my childhood. To date, I have been unable to recall any of the details and based my statement solely on what my abductors showed me. The part where Prinn states ... "informed by them that he was himself an alien implanted into a human body and was, in reality, the husband (or something) of one of his abductors" .. doesn't add up. However, in the story that I put into the library *The Recall* by J. Lewis, I did describe events that to this day I still belive to be real. As I stated at the time I wrote the stores as fiction because I knew that no one would believe them to be factual. Even I had trouble believing it. ....... MC> In subsequent messages in the forum he mentioned things like having MC> broken into an underground alien base and getting into a (gun?) fight MC> with the greys who occupied it. ..... I made no such claim. However if I remember correctly there were some people participating in the thread who tried to make this assumption. FYI this base is the one mentioned in the Phoenix Project K2 Report and if you have had the opportunity to read exhibit 21, I am the person who met and conversed with the Grey. However, at no time were there any hostil actions nor did anyone enter the base. ... MC> He also claimed to have been taught MC> some mind control and ESP techniques by the friendly aliens from the MC> SF stories. The first of these I recognised from an early novel by AE MC> Van Vogt and when I asked him if it was called the cortical thalamic MC> pause he confirmed it enthusiastically and near enough asked me which MC> aliens had taught it to me. When I told him where it came from he MC> replied that he had never read any Van Vogt, and that that author MC> must therefore have had some alien contact similar to his own. I MC> didn't believe the first part of that because I had already noted MC> that the Jay Lewis stories showed some stylistic similarities to Van MC> Vogt. I thought of writing to Van Vogt to get his opinion about the MC> second part but decided that it would probably just annoy him. ...... I still make the claim that I have not read any of the stories mentioned by Mr. Prinn. ..... MC> Later Jack posted some information about a further technique he had MC> been taught that enabled him to carry out telekinesis. ....... I stated that I experimented and had little sucess. I said I was able to make a piece of paper vibrate but could not lift it. Someone, possibly Mr. Prinn suggested using a paper clip, stating it would work better. Unfortunately, I had no success there, either. ...... MC> This also MC> looked rather familiar and an hour spent poking around my quite MC> extensive SF collection turned up Jack of Eagles by James Blish. Not MC> only did this describe exactly the same thing in some detail but MC> Blish also made a deliberate mistake when quoting the Blackett MC> equation (a formulation of Heisenburg indeterminacy), which Jack had MC> witlessly copied. I don't know if it was significant but both of MC> these SF books were inspired by Count Korzybski's exposition of MC> General Semantics, Science and Sanity. ..... I continue to make the same claim as above. I have not read any of the books mentioned. As for the Blackett equation I did use it but it wasn't until after Mr. Prinn said what it was that I knew this. ..... MC> I posted a reply that included a reference to a scene in Jack of MC> Eagles so that Jack could, if he wished, continue our game without MC> letting on to the other forum participants, but he didn't reply and MC> posted no further messages in the forum. Not long after that money MC> trouble forced me to reduce my CIS usage to just a mailbox .... Seems Mr. Prinn suffered the same fate I did. However I ceased my connection in Issues/Paranormal when people started saying I should contact Don Ecker of MUFON. [At least I think that was the person they wanted me to contact. I am certain about MUFON. Ufortunately, I firmly believed and still believe that would have been a dangerous move. ..... MC> and MC> distribution point for my shareware business so I didn't know that he MC> had returned with more of this stuff. By coincidence, I intended to MC> rejoin the Issues forum in a week or two anyway, so I hope he is MC> still there peddling this Phoenix stuff - he gave me a few good MC> laughs last time around. MC> (Sorry if that was a bit long but you know how it is when you are MC> assigning someone's character.) MC> Trev Prinn ..... I am also sorry this is so long, Michael. I failed to cut any of it because in the long run, it all counted. I will say this, however. When I got involved in Issues/Paranomral I had no idea, what-so-ever that the Phoenix Project would ever release any of our information. Had I, I sure wouldn't have input the information I did because as you can see, it did, discredit me. At least in Mr. Prinn's mind. Sincerely J. L Mathias. [Yes, the L stands for Lewis]