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 * Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
 * Originally from Michael Corbin
 * Originally dated 12-15-91 10:48

Recently, Jacques Vallee published his latest book, Revelations.  Sure to
create a stir within the ufological community, Jerry Clark, editor of the IUR, 
reviewed Jacques' book.  Below, we have reprinted the article Jerry wrote, and 
following this, we have reprinted a rebuttal which Jacques has provided.

Editorial

SOMEBODY MUST BE BEHIND IT

Reprinted  with  permission  of the IUR  to  ParaNet  Information
Service.  (C) 1991 by the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO  Studies,
2457 West Peterson Avenue, Chicago, Illinois  60659.  All  Rights
Reserved.

>From September/October 1991, Volume 16, Number 5.

On  September  7 and 8, at a conference in Sydney,  Australia,  I
delivered a two-part lecture which dealt in part with  conspiracy
theories  in  historical  and current ufology.  After  the  first
lecture  a  woman  approached me to say that she  would  have  to
listen  to the second before deciding whether or not I am  a  CIA
agent. In the middle of that final lecture, as I was making light
of  Milton  William  Cooper's  leave-your-brains-at-the-door-and-
believe  yarns  about a secret government and its  alliance  with
malevolent  extraterrestrials,  a  man  in  the  audience   began
shouting and demanding that I shut up.
   Another  lecturer,  our  old friend Bill  Chalker,  was  asked
during  the  question-and-answer session if it was true  that  he
works  for the CIA. I thought this was pretty funny, but  Chalker
was not amused. He told me later that the charge was being  made,
indeed  had even been published, by Australia's Cooperists;  what
concerned  him was the possibility that witnesses in  future  UFO
cases might hear of it and refuse to speak with him--certainly  a
legitimate concern.
   Conspiracy  delirium  has  afflicted  Australia,  though   the
illness seems to have been contracted by exposure, I am sorry  to
say, to my own country. It's not just that the writings of Cooper
and John Lear circulate widely within the New Age community,  but
an expatriate American who claims to be an "escapee from the CIA"
(as someone described him to me) feeds the paranoia with his  own
stories,   for  which  as  always  no  supporting   evidence   is
forthcoming.  In  our time it is secret documents one  has  seen,
rather  than Space Brothers one has met, that comprise the  stuff
of fantasies and hoaxes.
   Not, of course, that conspiracy obsessions are ufodom's alone.
Not by a long shot. As a news junkie I wake up every morning  and
switch on cable television's C-Span, which hosts a show on  which
politicians, officials, pundits, and journalists take calls  from
viewers. The subject, of course, is never UFOs, but on some  days
as many as one caller in three seems to subscribe to some variety
of conspiracy theory. Now that Communism, happily, is fading from
the  world  scene and so, incidentally, from a  leading  role  in
conspiratorial scenarios, the principal suspects have become  the
CIA (the focus of all evil in the solar system, as we all  know),
"the  media"  (believed to be a monolithic entity  with,  in  one
caller's  words,  a  "definite agenda"-which is  to  promote  the
interests  of, depending on who's on the phone, the right or  the
left  end  of the political spectrum), and the Israelis  (or,  as
some callers unsubtly express it, thereby tipping us off to their
real views, "the Jews").
   I  happened  to  remark  on  the  peculiar  proliferation   of
conspiracy beliefs in a conversation with Barry Williams and  Tim
Mendham, two genial representatives of Australian Skeptics,  down
under's  equivalent of CSICOP. Affecting a darkly  conspiratorial
expression,  Mendham  declared,  "Somebody must  be  behind  it!"
Mendham's  wisecrack  came back to me as I  was  reading  Jacques
Vallee's  new  Revelations:  Alien Contact  and  Human  Deception
(Ballantine Books), the ultimate conspiracy book. Vallee's thesis
can  be  summed up thus: Conspirators  are  inventing  conspiracy
theories to mask the real conspiracy.
   Revelations  is a sequel to Vallee's 1979 book  Messengers  of
Deception,  which proposed that a shadowy group  of  intelligence
operatives  is  manipulating UFO beliefs and creating  phony  UFO
encounters  in  an effort to direct  societal  consciousness.  An
early,  less elaborate version of this notion was  circulated  in
the  1950s  and  1960s by a  former  government  scientist,  Leon
Davidson.   Davidson  thought  that   CIA   psychological-warfare
specialists posing as space people had fooled George Adamski  and
other  contactees. In Messengers Vallee advances essentially  the
same  idea,  though  without  crediting  Davidson;  also,  unlike
Davidson,  he believes that a real UFO phenomenon,  supernatural,
perhaps  unknowable, but certainly not  extraterrestrial,  exists
beyond the manipulation.
   In  common  with  his other works of  the  last  two  decades,
Revelations is an interesting book even if it is not a good  one.
Vallee is no profound thinker, but no one would deny that he is a
first-rate storyteller. Anyone who enjoys tales from the fringes-
and  who doesn't?-will have great fun with the chapters  on  UMMO
and  on  Franck  Fontaine's  bogus  abduction.  Vallee's  deadpan
account of his dinner with Bill Cooper is hilarious. And he shows
admirable  good  sense when he takes after  paranoid  ufologists'
traditional anxieties about tapped phones and CIA  assassinations
of those who know too much about flying saucers.
    What he himself believes, alas, is hardly less crazy. Much of
his  problem  is that he has a hard  time  entirely  disbelieving
anybody.  To  Vallee even those whom others have had  no  trouble
identifying  as crude charlatans are "sincere." To those  who  do
not see a conspiracy everywhere, it is quite easy to accept  that
somebody  might  peddle tales of man-eating aliens--or  of  Space
Brothers  or  of  ETs  in our midst-simply  to  fatten  the  bank
account, to gratify the ego, to fool the gullible, or to feed any
other  unworthy  but  recognizable human  impulse.  There  is  no
reason,  logically or evidentially, to suspect these hoaxers  are
some  other hoaxer's victims. But if one wishes, with Vallee,  to
indulge  in conspiratorial musings, then the contactees  and  the
Cooperists  really  had  an  experience  (with  actors  in  alien
outfits)   or  really  saw  a  secret  document  (contrived   for
disinformation purposes), even if to get there one has to  ignore
clear and specific evidence that the claimants are lying  through
their teeth.

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From Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Sun Dec 15 21:05:00 1991
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Subject: Clark/Vallee/Revelations - Part 2
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 * Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
 * Originally from Michael Corbin
 * Originally dated 12-15-91 10:49

<<..Continued from previous message>>

    Vallee  drags the Cergy-Pontoise tale--a confessed hoax  yet-
into the conspiracy. In this instance, he writes, the agents were
"beings  of  flesh  and  blood within  the  French  military  and
technological  establishment." How does Vallee know this? He  has
it  from  a  nameless source who claims to have  spoken  with  an
anonymous bureaucrat in the French Ministry of Defense.
   This,  by the way, is the same Vallee who complains  (on  page
76)  of Len Stringfield's habit of citing anonymous sources.  Yet
anonymous  sources, making claims in some ways as  incredible  as
those    who   tell   Stringfield   of   crashed   saucers    and
extraterrestrial  autopsies, abound in Revelation's  pages.  Some
instances: (l) "[A]ntiterrorist exercises in which the  attackers
disguised  their craft as a flying saucer have actually been  run
more  than once," which explains cases cited by "amateur  groups"
as  "proof  that extraterrestrials are  surveying  our  strategic
assets."  Source:  "men who were trained in  the  penetration  of
nuclear  plants  and  missile bases," none named.  (2)  There  is
evidence  that  the  "UMMO group" is linked  with  the  "LaRouche
extremist  movement in France." Source:  "French  investigators,"
none named. (3) During Desert One, the failed April 1980  attempt
to  rescue American hostages in Iran, a "disk resembling  a  UFO"
was  seen. "It was said to be a platform for  nonlethal  weapons,
intended  to paralyze or otherwise disable the  Iranian  guards."
The  "code word for that part of the operation, of which  Richard
Secord  and  Oliver North had been among the planners,  was  none
other  than  Snowbird,"  a  name  that  appears  in  recent  UFO-
conspiracy lore. Source: "some witnesses," none named.
    Even   as  he  complains  of  "eager  believers  [who]   have
fabricated   fanciful  explanations  out  of  whole  cloth,"   he
breathlessly  spins theories out of what appears to be  the  same
material. He enlists UMMO in the conspiracy, even as he  mentions
in passing the more prosaic findings of two Spanish investigators
(actually  named)  who  have uncovered  evidence  suggesting  the
supposedly  extraterrestrial writings were forged by  individuals
(also named) associated with a Spanish contactee group. Poor Carl
Meredith  Allen (aka Carlos Miguel Allende) is  resurrected  from
the  Saucerian  boneyard, and we are to believe  that  Morris  K.
Jessup's  suicide was in some way-here as elsewhere in  the  text
Vallee  is  vague on details connected with  the  conspiracy.  In
fact,  from  every available indication  Jessup's  suicide,  like
James  McDonald's, had nothing to do with his UFO  interests  and
everything  to  do with his personal problems. As for  Allen,  if
Vallee  had read Robert A. Goerman's article in the October  1980
issue  of Fate--evidently he has never heard of it-we would  have
been spared this further exploitation of this sad character.
   Vallee  is  brought  to Norton Air Force  Base  to  learn  UFO
"secrets"  from two men whom even he recognizes as no  more  than
naive saucer buffs. Yet when one tells of a desert meeting with a
landed  UFO some years earlier, Vallee cannot resist  speculating
that  the  occupants were American agents of the  conspiracy-  He
does  not  think to ask why the U.S. government would go  to  the
considerable trouble and expense of building an advanced aircraft
and training pilots to act like space people simply to dazzle one
obscure individual who would never publicize the experience.
    I  suppose that something like this would happen, but  if  we
are  to believe it did, Vallee will have to produce the  relevant
evidence.  But  evidence is the one  element  most  conspicuously
missing   here--as,   one  might  add,  in   all   UFO-conspiracy
literature. In the end, though he is sincerer and saner than most
other current conspiracy theorists, he gives us no more reason to
believe  him  than  they do. Vallee has little  to  offer  beyond
unnamed  informants and a ufological revisionism which offers  us
speculation  and  imagination in place of reason  and  substance.
There   is  nothing  remotely  like  the  documentation  a   true
investigative journalist would have nailed down before he wrote a
book  as  loaded  with bizarre  and  implausible  allegations  as
Vallee's.
   According  to Vallee, UFO beliefs are so  spiritually  charged
that  they  are actually changing society, and that  is  why  the
conspirators use them to manipulate us to some end or other about
which  Vallee is characteristically obscure. In fact,  UFOs  were
trivialized and marginalized long ago, and outside ufology, which
Vallee  apparently  has  mistaken for the real  world,  they  are
visible,  and even there not consistently so, mostly  in  popular
culture, along with rap music, soap operas, supermarket tabloids,
miniskirts,   and  other  ephemera.  As  a  vehicle  for   social
transformation  UFOs  are  just about the  last  thing  any  sane
conspirator would choose.
   A  more  interesting  question is why  and  how  a  phenomenon
potentially  so significant has come to appear to most people  to
be  of no consequence whatever. Maybe that's where we'll  uncover
the  conspiratorial  machinations, if we are determined  to  find
them.  Other, less sinister explanations come to  mind,  however,
and  some can be found in less exciting but  more  intellectually
fulfilling books and papers by sociologists of science.
    Of  course,  if  we  were to follow  the  logic  of  Vallee's
argument, why confine the conspiracy to the UFO era? If we  don't
let  a dearth of evidence for a conspiracy stop us, there  is  no
stopping  us.  What is to keep us from concluding,  for  example,
that Richard Shaver was not a nut, as generally assumed, but  the
victim  of a mind-control experiment which led him to believe  he
met alien creatures underneath the earth in the 1930s and  1940s?
And what about 19th-Century Spiritualist mediums? Were they, too,
victims of the conspiracy? After all, Spiritualism had a far more
marked  effect on Victorian culture than flying saucers have  had
on  our own. A medium is even said to have  encouraged  President
Lincoln to emancipate the slaves.
    But if one has no compelling desire to drop into a black hole
of unreason, one can but reflect that hoaxes, delusions, visions,
and  strange  occurrences  have  always  been  a  part  of  human
experience, and since the UFO era has been lived by human beings,
why  should  we expect it to be different? Why should  not  weird
tales  circulate  in  our  time?  In  the  absence  of  evidence,
conspiracy  theories  of  the sort  Vallee  proposes  simply  are
unnecessary.
   And yet, from time to time, Vallee touches on real issues. The
Holloman Air Force Base affair, which concerns an apparently real
film  of  what  is supposed to be a  meeting  between  government
scientists and aliens, is a puzzle. So are the Bennewitz episode,
the  MJ-12  briefing  document, and related  matters.  Vallee  is
surely  correct, though he is hardly the first so to argue,  that
these amount to evidence both of a strange psychological  warfare
experiment  and  (at  least  where  Bennewitz  is  concerned)  of
egregious  official  misconduct.  But to  extrapolate  a  massive
conspiracy from these small elements is simply to excuse  oneself
from  the  ranks  of  those  who have  a  serious  claim  on  our
attention.
   Throughout the text Vallee vents his spleen, as he did in  his
previous book Confrontations, on those ufologists who  perversely
insist  on  thinking  for  themselves even in  the  face  of  his
repeated  offers  to do it for them. His books could as  well  be
subtitled  "Me Jacques; You Dumb." As always he displays  minimal
understanding  of ufologists and their concerns. Sooner or  later
the  alert  reader will notice that hardly any of  those  unnamed
"believers"  and  "amateurs"  ever actually  get  quoted.  Vallee
prefers  to set up and knock down straw arguments, always  easier
to  do  than  to address the concerns of  ufology's  serious  (as
opposed to naive or cracked) researchers and theorists.
   From  all indications he still has not read Thomas E.  Bullard
on the patterns in abduction reports or Michael D. Swords on  the
scientific  soundness of the extraterrestrial hypothesis. No  one
familiar  with  UFO Crash at Roswell or The Roswell  Report  will
feel  Vallee  has contributed anything to rational  discourse  on
that  subject.  Vallee continues to ignore  the  many  nontrivial
criticisms  of  his  approach  I outlined  in  "The  Thickets  of
Magonia"  (IUR, January/February 1990). He has simply cranked  up
the  volume  as he declaims yet again what is less  a  scientific
reading  of the phenomenon than an occult one. Let us not  forget
that  Magonia,  the  word  Vallee  made  famous,  translates   as
"Magicland."
   Errors  large  and  small litter  the  pages  of  Revelations,
evincing  Vallee's ignorance of any ufology but his  own.  Donald
Keyhoe did not write The UFO Conspiracy, nor is Timothy Good  the
author  of something called Beyond Top Secret. Benton Jamison  is
not  "Benton  Majison,"  and Detlev Bronk's first  name  was  not
"Detley."  (For that matter, Leo Tolstoy's was not  "Leon.")  And
whatever  else  page  216  would have  you  believe,  CUFOS  left
Evanston,  Illinois, years ago. Vallee's coverage of the  crashed
disc  question  is  a  disaster.  He  has  the  Ubatuba  incident
occurring in 1933 or 1934 when it is supposed to have taken place
in 1951. He places the Spitzbergen event in May 1941-contemporary
published accounts put it in the early 1950s, though it is almost
certainly a hoax-and Dorothy Kilgallen is incorrectly  identified
as the source of the rumor. The celebrated Texas/Mexico  incident
is set in a year and location different from those its proponents
have assigned it.
   One  assumes,  however,  that no error  lies  behind  Vallee's
pretense that the Journal of Scientific Exploration is the  "only
refereed publication in the field" of ufology. First, JSE is  not
a ufological periodical, though it publishes occasional papers on
the  subject,  and second, as Vallee is well aware  as  a  former
JUFOS  board member, CUFOS' Journal of UFO Studies  is  ufology's
only  "refereed publication." This is Vallee's way of  responding
to his critics.
    There is more to be said, but enough is enough. Let us  close
with Vallee's own words:
    "Mysteries that linger without solution for such a long  time
are  a powerful irritant to the mind; they tend to  trigger  wild
speculation.  When  the very existence of the  enigma  is  flatly
denied by arrogant scientists who have not even taken the time to
look  at the data, when the government destroys or covers up  the
fact  that its own employees have actually witnessed some of  the
best documented sightings, it is natural for speculations to turn
into  paranoia, and for research to become derailed by  fantastic
delusions.
    "It  is at this point that the very people who could help  us
in  our  investigations, namely the UFO  researchers  themselves,
become caught up in their own need to believe in the most bizarre
theories, for which not a shred of real proof exists."
   Sadly, Vallee has no idea that he has just described himself.-
Jerome Clark

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From Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Sun Dec 15 21:06:00 1991
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 * Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
 * Originally from Michael Corbin
 * Originally dated 12-15-91 10:50

Author, Jacques Vallee, has sent a letter to ParaNet which is posted here for
your information.  Please note, it is (C) 1991 by Jacques Vallee.

A LETTER TO READERS OF 'REVELATIONS'

by Jacques Vallee

In the Sept/Oct. 91 issue of its magazine, known as IUR (the "International UFO
Reporter"), the Center for UFO Studies has published a review of 'Revelations'
signed by Jerome Clark.  It claims that (1) the book contains errors in names
and citations, (2) its summary of alleged crashes is "a disaster" because
several dates are wrong, (3) it pays too much attention to claims that should
be summarily dismissed as fraudulent, (4) it does not reveal the names of all
sources and (5) it fails to quote ufologists with differing views.

These claims, except for the very first one, are false.

(1)  I have relied too much on memory and I have occasionally fallen victim to
typos.  For instance, CUFOS has indeed moved to Chicago rather than staying a
few miles away in Evanston.  Dr. Bronk's first name should be spelled Detlev,
not Detley (it is spelled correctly in the index).  Two letters got inverted in
Jamison's name and I did not catch it.  And it is undoubtedly true that JUFOS
(Journal of UFO Studies) is a refereed journal.

(2)  Crash data are notoriously unreliable, as IUR itself has often pointed
out.  However my "1933 or 1934" date for Ubatuba was not a typo.  Similarly,
from the data I have I must stand by the quoted material of May 1947 for the
Spitzbergen crash.

(3)  It is true that I did not castigate the claims of John Lear, Bill Cooper
and Bob Lazar as outright frauds.  I believe that these men are wrong but I
cannot conclude that they lie.  Somebody is using Lazar.  Somebody invented the
MJ-12 documents.  Somebody typed the papers that Richard Doty gave Linda Howe.
I did not hesitate, on the other hand, to denounce the Meier case and the Ed
Walters claims.

(4)  I am being taken to task for suggesting that Len Stringfield should have
revealed his source's names, then neglecting to publish my own.  This is
another bad faith argument.  I have never implied that Mr. Stringfield should
violate the trust of his informants by making their names public in a book, and
I certainly will not be guilty of such a violation myself.  In fact the very
same issue of IUR prints an interesting article by Dr. Bruce Maccabee, hinting
at unnamed informants.  My argument with Mr. Stringfield's sources is that bona
fides independent scientists have not been able to talk to them on a
confidential basis.  How do we know that we are simply dealing with another
"Aviary?"

(5)  As for the claim that the book fails to mention contrasting views, I
believe it is equally unfounded.  Many such researchers were cited verbatim. On
page 216, I even quoted Jerome Clark's interview with the Hartford Courant,
where he summarily dismissed the Voronezh case, one of the most important UFO
events of the last ten years.

Signed

Jacques Vallee

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