Vic: Are we talking about magic, dark powers?
Sch: Possibly, yes.. and I think that it...hang on, I'm getting a bit. . .
Vic: It' s intriguing, when we say dark powers are we talking about... sort of Satan and that sort of thing, or are we talking about actually....?
Vic: I see, I see, so there isn't any sort of military implication or the test of, of weaponry or anything of that sort, which is sinister?
Sch: Oh, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that.. I think it's a very complex issue though.......
Vic: Are we talking about the part of the military wing who's under the brainwashing, or whatever, of the sinister forces who are doing this - you know, making it a bit more complex?
Sch: Well, well it's very difficult to explain to vou - to explain the structure of some of these organizations, but......
Vic: For example? Give me an example.
Sch: Why? I couldn't go into detail but, eh, basically it's something which is concerning people worldwide and have pooled their resources, worldwide, and are involved.....
Vic: How about the British Government? Are they also... ?
Sch: Well, yes. The German Government, the American government, the Vatican as well.
Vic: How about Robert? Does Robert have anything with any of this to help them along with it, to determine what is going on?
Sch: I wouldn't want to comment on the record or anything like that.
Vic: Of course not.
Sch: Definitely, you know....as you seem to be sympathetic to what we're saying.....
Vic: Of course! What you're saying makes me worried. He is definitely on the good side
Sch: He is.... he is one of our best people, yes.
Vic: And he's helping the governments to determine which faction is doing this?
Sch: Yes, it's very... extremely sensitive, sensitive work as you can probably imagine.....
Vic: Is it...eh...now, let's see, are we talking about military, or are we talking about intelligence, are we talking about the negative side, you see what I ' m trying to say?
Sch: It's not quite a military thing but there are elements of military intelligence which have loaned resources.
Vic. Ahhhh! ! We are talking about people who have had a career, they've left their career, they have corporations, etc., etc., they are developing some kind of weaponry and these are the testing ground.
Sch: No, no, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go into that, it's much more of a spiritual warfare type of magic, I think....
Vic: And they trying to exploit the populous, I mean, what are they trying to achieve? This is what I'm trying to determine.
Sch: I think they are trying to bring about changes in world consciousness and for evil; for, for, you know, not for good and, eh, there are some of us who are concerned about this, and would like to see this new trend stopped.
Vic: Is there any positive element in the government who are supporting people like yourself or Robert or anybody else for that mattter?
Sch: We have support, yes, we have support at the highest levels.
Vic: That's marvelous -is it British government ....or... forgive me, I'm not trying to be a nosy parker.
Sch: It involves several countries and as I say.....
Vic: Are we talking NATO allies or are we talking about........... ? Sch: NATO ?...it's not at the NATO level, but it's Germany involved, and this country, and the United States... the Vatican as well.
Vic: I see...I... are we talking about...?
Sch: It's actually, it involves a supernational organization which I will not name.
Vic: [Gasp]Supernational !!!
Sch: Supernational organization.
Vic: Oh, good God !
Sch: Which is....?
Vic. This is above my head.
Sch: Which has ties to these countries, and organizations.
Vic: Are we talking, for example trilateral, that sort of thing?
Sch: I wouldn't want to get into any specifics.
Vic: Do you have any information...'? I'm speculating...
Sch: It's something that is very dangerous to talk about, and I hope, you will, you know...
Vic: I appreciate it, I appreciate it...I mean, is it a mission that you volunteered or is it something that you actually commission people ....I mean how do they...?
Sch: It's...we are quite committed to it, put it that way. It's not a sense of duty but it's also.....
Vic: How about the other religions, does that come into it or is it only Christian religion or just Christians committed to it? eh, I mean Buddhism, or Judaism or Islam .... you know?
Sch: I don't have a high enough overview of the whole situation to know. There may be some others involved.
Vic: And the information that you gather is passed on to the higher-ups in order to be filtered out and deductions have to be taken, obviously; that should be the case?
Sch: Yes, yes.. we are not just feeding information, we are taking active measures.
Vic: I hope they pay for what you've done, for the time and all the things that you put in to it.
End of part 4
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