SUBJECT: REPORT OF "LYDIA" ABDUCTION FILE: UFO636 <[Mike] REVENANT> If you want to ask a question, use the /rai command. <[Mike] REVENANT> Ask your question, then finish it with a GA so we know it's time to answer it. <[Mike] REVENANT> I met Lydia about a year ago through Jim Speiser. She is an intelligent, well educated, career woman. <[Mike] REVENANT> She appeared to be lucid in all ways, was definitely well spoken and witty. <[Mike] REVENANT> Her experience was fightening and unusual, and she can tellyou all about it here. I present to you, Lydia. <[Mike] REVENANT> A quick question first: Lydia, when was your first experience with visitors? <[Mike] REVENANT> ga <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Hi Gentlemen!Something happened to me at 12 (6th grade), but the experience I recall most was in April 1990. (I don't see a split screnn yet, Mike.) GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[Mike] REVENANT> Michael, your question. <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> Lydia- did the aliens treat you with any sign of respect as a concious being, or did they just treat you like a lab animal? GA. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Your hand is raised. <[Mike] REVENANT> What is the split screen command for Procomm? ** <[Mike] REVENANT> Room is now in the talk mode. <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> You really should have this poor woman using Aladdin. :) <[Mike] REVENANT> Anyone know the answer to that question? <[Rich] R.T.WILSON> yes <[Rich] R.T.WILSON> alt-o <[Rich] R.T.WILSON> I had to dig up the manual. <[Mike] REVENANT> Rich: thanks <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> eeHell. No, thankfully, I was treated kindly, and actually I thought I picked up on some humor. I'd say, now reflecting on it, that they were probably quite <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> used to humans. GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> ** is here. ** <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> was . <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> cT;{x3OKixcC <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> That's supposed to bel Hello up there, not eeHell. :-) <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> GA <[Bubba] R.DUNN15> Lydia - Were your experiences conciously recalled, or have you used hypnosis? GA <[Mike] REVENANT> David: YOur turn. <[David] D.OLIVER7> After the experience, were you compelled to make changes in your life or do anything differently? ** <[Mike] REVENANT> Room is now listen-only. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Hi, I went to a hynotist for the first time in about Dec. 1990. Jim Speiser was with me. I think I remember just about ALL of what happened to me in April 1990. GA <[Mike] REVENANT> David: Run your question again. <[David] D.OLIVER7> After the experience, were you compelled to make changes in your life or do anything differently? GA Your hand is raised. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> To answer Dave: Hi. Well, for at least a month, I "suffered" silently, thinking the haunting experience would abe forgotten, or go away. But more odd things <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> happened to me, as if I was being compelled to acknowledge the experience. I <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> finally called the Texas offices of MUFON, and was given the local number of ** <[Mike] REVENANT> (Sent by 1) You'll be next, Bubba, after Thom. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> the (at that time) State MUFON Director. I talked to him, and what shocked me <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> most, and indicated to the Director, was my absolute terror and hyperventi- <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> lating while I spoke. I have never been so scared in my life!! I could barely <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> talk as I was gasping for breath. However, he was so kind while he listened. Ifinally was able to calm down to normal. Then, I started to have some recall, <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> just small memories. Odd things were still happening in the house. For example, One night as I lay down, and was kinda drifting, I was startled to hear <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> rapid footsteps run up the stairs, down the hall, and something kicked the <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> hell out of the bedroom door which was partly shut, but not closed. I was wide awake now, turned on the light, but the door was still in the same position as <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> I had left it. By now, I was starting to "break" a bit, and was anxious to <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> talk to anyone who had a connection to MUFON. I decided to go to the Florida <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> MUFON in July. I made a few phone calls to people there, and told them (all <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> MUFON members) about my experiences, and they were nice, but couldn't help. <[Mike] REVENANT> MUFON: Mutual UFO Network. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Funny thing, I didn't even know what "help" I needed - just help! Looking <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> back, I think I needed someone to listen, ask questions, and just let me talk itout. But back to your question: I think I was waiting for the other shhoe to drop, so to speak, but it really didn't. Since then, only small things have <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> happened. GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> Good evening, Lydia ... <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> I hope my question didn't get answered while I was disconnected ... <[Mike] REVENANT> Thom: NOpe, we were setting software up. <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> but I was hoping you could give us a narative of just what happened to you... <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Hi Thomas. Prob not. I was a bit late. GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> in April of 1990. Thanks. <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> GA ** <[Mike] REVENANT> [Bubba] R.DUNN15, you can talk now. <[Bubba] R.DUNN15> Lydia - Did your experiences differ in any way from the standard abduction experience as described in Jacobs' book "Secret Life"? GA ** <[Mike] REVENANT> (Sent by 1) Bubba, ask your question after Lydia answers Thom's and give a GA. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Hi, well, I wrote it all out, all that I could recall, and it took 12 pages of single-space typing!! Um, the most interesting thing was that that day (of the <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> abduction) I was supposed to go out of town with my husband. That morning he sasaid, "I think I had better make this trip alone." (It was a business trip to <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Las Vegas.) I said, "What! I have already taken the afternoon off!" But he was very strong in his opinion that he should go alone. He was also planning to <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> bring his Mom back with him as she lived there. I said OK. (Actually, I hate <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> long car trips.) I still went ahead and left work early, and did what all <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> women do, I went shopping! That night I guess I turned in about 11:30, set thiselaborate alarm system we have in the house, and the next thing that happened, <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> I opened my eyes to see a greyish head right in front of my eyes. I could tell that the room was lit, and that I was laying on something flat. I also was immobile. I said to myself, "I'm GOING to remember this." Next, I was grabbing theedge of a table to push myself up, while someone else was pulling me up with <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> my right hand. I was very groggy, felt drunk, kinda bold the way alcohol affects some people. There the alien man was. I say man because he was not womanly <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> in appearance, and I did "check" him out. I couldn't tell if he had clothes on <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> or if he was standing there in his skin! I said, Who the hell are you guys anyway?! You look like lizards to me!" Next, I could feel what seemed like my ears popping, and he said, "No we're not lizards. Actually, we're kind of <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> related to your earth animal, the dolphins." I was trying to think about this. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> They were talking in my head. I said, "you're talking to me!" I gestured to my head. It was amazing. I tried answering back. "Dolphins! But they have widemouths, and teeth..." and I swear, he curled his "lip" and he had tiny teeth, spaced somewhat apart. I tried to cooomprehend this, tried to remember the facts of evolution, how things mutate or become extinct. But I could barely hold my- <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> self up as I was so woozie. I said something about "losing it because you don't use it" and I knew that wasn't correct. I said, "Darwin said that Nature selects out those best suited for their environment...So what do you guys eat?" <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> I was struggling to think. I couldn't think very well as I was groggy. I <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> couldn't see clearly because I needed my glasses, and he seemed to stay just of out of range for clear vision. Let me stop for a minute, and see if anyone <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> has a question. I have my notebook here (that I typed) so I'm quoting myself <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> accurately. GA <[Mike] REVENANT> Bubba: now. <[Bubba] R.DUNN15> Lydia - Did your experiences differ in any way from the standard abduction experience as described in Jacobs' book "Secret Life"? GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Well, I bought that book over a month ago, but have been unable to bring myself <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> to read it. Guess I'm scared. But if any of you taped "A Current Affair" <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> recently - the one with the UFO theme--there's a section showing Jacobs sitting <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> at his computer with a drawing of an Alien to his right/left and I nearly <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> jumped out of my skin and ran around in circles, because that Alien was MY <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> alien - exactly! Exactly! I was speechless! GA <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> Lydia - I am really enjoying you're replies. Did you witness any evidence of a "breeding program" such as babies, or did they take eggs from you? (Sorry if that is too pointed). GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> ** <[Mike] REVENANT> [Bubba] R.DUNN15, you are listen-only. <[Chad] C.BUSK> Lydia, do you feel that your abduction had any purpose? <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> If that happened to me, I do not recall that. What I did see, when the Alien stepped away for a second, was some 15-20 feet away, some short little stout <[Chad] C.BUSK> GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> aliens dressed in what appeared to be hospital gowns, clustered around a low <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> operating table. I watched one guy in particular. He leaned over to clip (?) <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> something, as as he did, his right leg swung back (as for balance). It seemed <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> as if he was wearing boots and they were all one piece with his pants. He also seemed to have on a surgical mask, but I could see his eyes, and they looked ** <[Mike] REVENANT> (Sent by 1) bubba: are Jacob's pictures (in the book) of "Gray) aliens? <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> like Japanese eyes, and my impressions was that "the Japs are everywhere! And they seem so busy and industrious," and things were humming. GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> listen-only. <[Mike] REVENANT> chad: your turn Your hand is raised. <[Chad] C.BUSK> OK, Lydia, do you feel this encounter had any purpose or reason behind it?GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Wait, I see Chad's question. Did this have a purpose? Chad, I do not see any purpose for this. I did not see any reason. I thought about what the prupose <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> could be, but nothing ever satisfied me. Afterwards, I had an awful lot of <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> anger to deal with, too. Once I got over the fear, then I got mad. I was <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> furious. It was at this point that I met Jim Speiser. I was DETERMINED to findout what had happened to me because I was MAD. GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> Lydia - did you get the impression that the Aliens you met belonged to a "military" or other type of organization (in other words, were they non-civilian) ?? GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Since they did not appear to be wearing any clothes, I couldn't say it was <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> military. (The main Alien was about 5 1/2 feet tall.) I do remember one <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> flash of (perhaps) recall the next day (Saturday). It was something like this: <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Me, thinking to myself: Gee, they don't look like those things other people <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> have seen.. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Him: We come from different places. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Me: Who are you...(groggy) <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Him: A confederation. We have different jobs. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> That might answer your question? GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> I have two questions, but both only require short answers. ... <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> First, you said that the alians claimed relationship to dolphins. You also .. ** <[Mike] REVENANT> (Sent by 1) YOu'll be up after Thom's questions are answered. When she gives you a GA, rock and roll. <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> said that one reached to clip something. Do you recall seeing how many <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> fingers he had? Second, would you consider letting us put your twelve typed .. <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> pages into an ASCII file? ** <[Mike] REVENANT> [Bubba] R.DUNN15, you can talk now. <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> OK go ahead. {<[Bubba] R.DUNN15> Mike: Yes, all of the subjects reported the basic "grey" type. Lydia - What I was wondering is if you experienced the type of "bonding" with the aliens that is described in "Secret Life"? The alien stares into the subjects eyes and seems to extract every thought and memory. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Yes, he did claim some kind of relationship to dolphins. But one thing Jim <[Mike] REVENANT> Whoa, wait a minute, Bubba. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Speiser taught me was that they don't always tell the truth, nor make sense. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Um, I thought they were more lizard-like, because their bodies (I am referring <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> to just two 5 1/2 ft aliens) were very flat like lizard bodies - like the kind we see in our gardens. But, yet standing normally as do humans. He was first <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> standing there as I attempted to wake up with his hands behind his back. But Your hand is raised. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> as he "talked" he gestured with his hand, waved it in an odd way which led me to think that he did not have an endoskeleton as we do. His arm moved the way a ** <[Mike] REVENANT> (Sent by 1) you're up when she finishes this answer. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> rubber hose would. The fingers (4-5) were long and skinny, kind of limp. I <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> have a B.A. in Geology and Life of the Past is one of my "things" so I thought <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> I was observant. I also got into a mental conversation with myself over the <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> fact that he did not have an opposable thumb, and I wondered how he could do <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> "all this" -meaning making this room or craft or whatever-without an opposable <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> thumb! <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Later it seemed he had a tiny thumb tucked into his palm - a vestigal organ, if <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> you will! GA <[Bubba] R.DUNN15> O.K., I'll try a different question :-). Lydia - How have you been able to reconcile these experiences with your daily life? Do you live in constant fear now, or do you just accept it? Also, have you told your husband about these experiences and if so, what was his reaction? <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> ** <[Mike] REVENANT> [Bubba] R.DUNN15, you are listen-only. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> It took a year for me to accept all of it, to realize that I did not make it <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> up, that I am not crazy, and that it was real. It also was helpful to meet <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> another abductee or two. I correspond with two abductees now. I am not afraid,but I do wonder about it every single day. It is the kind of thing that drifts through my mind every day, if only for a few seconds. Perhaps I'm checking <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> on myself to see what it all means. My husband is a brilliant engineer with <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> a MA in engineering from the Univ. of Southern Calif. He thinks I had a <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> dream. He does not like to hear about it, but will listen if I talk about it. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> He treat me and the whole matter at these times like some indulgent parent <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> who listens to a child tell of a bad dream or an imaginary friend. (He's 12 <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> years older than I am...) GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> Could you describe the other being you saw - the one that made you think "Gee - they don't look like those things other people have seen." GA ** <[Mike] REVENANT> (Sent by 1) You'll be after Michael, again, if you want. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> That was the taller, lizard-like creature. He was not 3-4 feet tall like other reports, but was about 5 1/2 feet tall. I'm aabout 5'11. The shorter "Japan- <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> ese" at the operating table might fit the standard description better, only theyhad on clothing. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> ga ** <[Mike] REVENANT> [Bubba] R.DUNN15, you can talk now. <[Mike] REVENANT> bubba, you're up. <[Bubba] R.DUNN15> Lydia - Do you think you'll be able to watch the "Intruders" special next week? GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Yes! I look forward to it. By the way, I met Debbie Tomey in Florida in 1990 <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> at a all-girls abductee meeting. GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[Mike] REVENANT> Michael, go ahead. <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> Lydia, did the aliens exhibit indiviual personalities? What about humor? GA ** <[Mike] REVENANT> [Bubba] R.DUNN15, you are listen-only. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Good question. I wonder now if they actually have personalities or if they havelearned to be human while around humans. When I started to wake up (I throw <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> drugs and pain-killers off rapidly) I started to ask serious questions. But <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> they were trying to either joke or throw me off by saying something silly. I <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> will guess that they could tell I was snapping out of the drugged state. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> I told them I wanted something to remember all this by (now there were two identical aliens)and they said, "What do you want?" My answer was really strange, <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> and I said, "I want you to put the spacecraft Pioneer 10 in my living room. I <[Mike] REVENANT> Chad and Michael, in that order, are our last two formal questioners. After that I'll thank our guest, then we can go informal. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> don't care if it tears up the house. (this was all mental telepathy) You guys <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> should be able to locate Pioneer 10 in a second, if you can do all this," and I <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> gestured to my surroundings. They said in response something like, "Oh sure. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Oh yeah." as if to disbelieve me. Then, I said, "Well, make me loose 50 pounds <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> right now. That will get everybody's attention.!" But they just seemed to think I was being silly.. I don't think they wanted to get serious. Did that answer your question? GA <[Mike] REVENANT> Chad: go ahead <[Chad] C.BUSK> Do u have any religious views? If so, how does your experience relate to those?GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> When I was about 12, I quit believing what I was hearing in Sunday School. I <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> had just discoveroeod Greek Mythology and was amazed how those stories sounded <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> so much like Bible stories. I kept my views to myself until I was about 16, and at 17 I refused to go to church with my parents. I began to read a lot of books on religion (but not Eastern philosophies) but none ever satisfied me. There <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> were too many internal conflicts in the religions, and they all argued with <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> each other, and I gave up, and said Phooey. To get to the second part of your <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> question, I have never seen anything religious about this abduction experience, <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> and tend to think it was soething scientific on the part of the aliens, but I <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> don't know what they are looking for. GA <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> Lydia, you said that you were not treated like a lab animal, yet you _were_ abducted against your will. What do you think the aliens justification would be for abducting humans without first obtaining our consent? Could you sense guilt? GA <[Mike] REVENANT> Great question, Michael! <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Ya know, I think the whole thing would have been nicer if they had just knocked <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> on my door and asked to come in! In my opinion, the abduction is some sort of <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> show of power. What do you mean by guilt? <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> Do they recognize that they are intruding into the lives of concious beings (us) who have rights? GA ** <[Mike] REVENANT> Room is now in the talk mode. <[Mike] REVENANT> Lydia is afk for a moment, but will answer the question when she gets back. <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> This has been really great. ** is here. ** <[ED] E.ABLON> was . <[Mike] REVENANT> I'm opening this up. I don't know how long Lydia wants to be around after this. IT has been two hours so far. <[Mike] REVENANT> Hi, ed. <[Bubba] R.DUNN15> Michael - In "Secret Life" the aliens seemed to think they had every right to snatch people. <[ED] E.ABLON> Hi all. <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> I read "Secret Life" and found it very disturbing. <[Chad] C.BUSK> I hope Lydia will upload her 12 pages of memories! <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> Me, too! <[Mike] REVENANT> Bubba: I take it in SECRET LIFE the ETs are not warm, fuzzy and friendly? <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> Hello, I am back! I don't think, Michael, that it even occured to the Aliens <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> Mike, let Lydia know that if she isn't up to typing her 12 pages into ASCII, .. <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> I'd be glad to scan them with OCR. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> that humans don't like to be snatched up or snuck up upon. It didn't come up <[Bubba] R.DUNN15> Mike: Nope, in fact that's where Lydia's experiences seems to differ from the norm. In Jacob's account the experience is totally cold and clinical. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> in my experience. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> <[ED] E.ABLON> Have any aliens ever been hurt or killed when they tried to snatch people? <[Mike] REVENANT> Okay, Lydia, on behalf of PSI-Net, I'd like to thank you for being here. <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> Lydia, why do you think that this was NOT an halucination? <[Mike] REVENANT> This has been absolutely fascinating. <[Michael] M.MANGOLD> Thanks a lot, Lydia. You were very informative! <[Chad] C.BUSK> Lydia, thanks for sharing your encounter with us! <[ED] E.ABLON> Here in Texas, where a number of people carry guns, I'd expect to see an alien or two hanging on a wall or roasting in a BBQ pit. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> I did not experience cold and clinical. One thing I want to say is that severalweeks before the late April 1990 abduction, "funny" things were going on around the house. One esp., was when I woke up one morning, saying to my self, <[Mike] REVENANT> Ed: As nearly as I know, there are no instances of ET death or injury during a snatch. <[ED] E.ABLON> Not just Texas. If they tried that stuff in Oakland they very well might get slashed with a razor. <[Thom] T.MONTICUE> Ed, how can one slash or shoot while paralized? <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> "tah seti! tah seti!" It was if I had to say it over and over so I would not forget it. I thought, at the time, it was some sort of Egyptian name. In fact, I wasn't even sure how to spell it. Tah seti? Ta setti? Tau Ceti?" Well, I forgot all about it until July 1990, when suddenly it occurred to me to ask my <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> husband, who is an amateur astronomer, "Uh - what's tah seti?" I knew I was on <[Mike] REVENANT> Ed: ETs do not seem to choose their targets from among populations prone to be carrying razors. <[LYDIA] PSINET-GUEST> to something ** <[Chad] C.BUSK> has left. <[Bubba] R.DUNN15> Lydia - Thanks for answering our questions, hope to see you here again. Bye! <[ED] E.ABLON> I'm not that familiar. How do they paralyze? Rodney King should have been paralyzed after he should have been paralyzed after he got shot twice with a Taser. But we all know better. (that's after ** <[Bubba] R.DUNN15> has left. Logging off; have a nice day !! OFF AT 23:44EDT 05/11/92 kL|dB NO CARRIER ATZ OK ATDT4747084 CONNECT 2400 U#= ** Thank you for choosing GEnie ** The Consumer Information Service from General Electric Copyright (C), 1992 GEnie Logon at: 22:48 CDT on: 920511 Last Access at: 20:36 CDT on: 920511 PC Aladdin versions below 1.61 do not work properly with GEnie. Please download the current version 1.61 as soon as possible. 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Category 2 UFOs -- What, When and Where? 2 ? ************ Topic 4 Thu Oct 03, 1991 REVENANT at 13:06 EDT Sub: New and Hot Topics If you start a topic, this is the place to let everyone else know about it. The staff will keep you informed about topics that heat up so you won't miss the fun of a lively discussion. Last reply in this topic ************ ------------ Category 2, Topic 4 Message 6 Mon May 11, 1992 R.DUNN15 [Bubba] at 23:49 EDT Almost through with the old conference report, there's a couple more things to pass along and then I'll shut up for a while. LINDA MOULTON-HOWE -- By far the star of the UFO lecture circuit, Ms. Howe gave a lecture called "The UFO Jigsaw" to a packed house. An Emmy award winning documentary producer for her work on "A Strange Harvest", about the worldwide phenomenon of cattle mutilations, she has recently released a new video entitled "Crop Circle Communique". Ms. Howe gave a multi-media overview of some of the stranger aspects of the UFO phenomenon, abductions, cattle mutilations, crop circles, etc. in what was surely the slickest presentation of the entire conference. She used slides to show the paintings of David Huggins, a New Jersey artist who uses his abduction experiences for his inspiration. Just your basic "sex with aliens" scenario. There was also some slides of the infamous "silicon shard" implant removed from abductee, Jesse Long. She also used about a dozen video monitors to show highlights of her video productions, including her newest "Crop Circle Communique". This included the footage shot by two German students at the Barbary Castle "geometry lesson" that certainly seems to show a small metallic disc bouncing in and out of the formation until it disappeared into the ground. There was also some fairly graphic footage of the recent cattle mutilation "wave" in Colorado last year. I know how thoroughly discredited this particular aspect of the UFO phenomenon is, but if you could have seen some of this footage. Extremely precise circular incisions, tongues and eyes removed, cored out rectums, a calf embryo removed from the placenta without breaking the lining. I'm no veterinarian or pathologist but those must be some pretty sophisticated predators to accomplish feats like that. ------------ 2 ? ************ Topic 10 Wed May 06, 1992 R.DUNN15 [Bubba] at 23:32 EDT Sub: Bentwaters UFO On Dec 27, 1980 in the forest that lies between Bentwaters and Woodbridge AFB in England there began a series of events which some have called "The UFO Case of the Century". Last reply in this topic ************ ------------ Category 2, Topic 10 Message 10 Mon May 11, 1992 R.DUNN15 [Bubba] at 23:49 EDT Centaur -- CNN reporter Chuck deCaro did a four part series on Bentwaters in 1985 as part of their "Investigative Reports" series. Without the video or any other physical evidence it would be hard to come to any kind of conclusion about the case. Vic -- A witness lying? Gee, that never occured to me . Actually, I'm beginning to get the impression that UFO investigators must treat their witnesses like movie stars and won't challenge even the most outrageous claims they make. And for their part, I suspect that the witnesses are more than happy to feed the investigator with whatever he/she wants to hear. I'll have more on Ms. Howe later, hold your fire. :-) ------------ 2 ? Thank you for choosing GEnie. Have a nice day! Online: 1 minute, 49 seconds. OFF AT 22:53CDT 05/11/92 ********************************************** * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * **********************************************