SUBJECT: NASA MAN CALLS VIDEO "ICE", ECKER "PARANOID" FILE: UFO1484 Article 11925 of alt.conspiracy: Xref: bilver alt.alien.visitors:5905 sci.skeptic:20732 alt.conspiracy:11925 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.conspiracy Path: bilver!tous!tarpit!fang!att!att!linac!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!news.netmbx.de!zelator!leo From: leo@zelator.in-berlin.de (Stefan Hartmann) Subject: NASA-ICE(UFO)-video Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System Date: Thu, 02 Jul 92 23:37:20 GMT Message-ID: Summary: ufo Keywords: ufo Lines: 112 Hi, I just got this info from a friend, who works at NASA right now: ***************************** PROFS Note ***************************** From: PFORREST--VMSPFHOU Date and time 07/01/92 16:10:44 To: POSTMAN --NASAMAIL FROM: FORREST, PHILIP R. DM461 SUBJECT: Yes, I did tape the CNN piece... Stefan, I taped the CNN Larry King Live Program last Freitag (sp?). The most amazing thing about the show is that one of the guests on the program works in my office !!! It was so amazing to see a guy you pass in the hall at work sit in as a guest on Larry King Live !! - International Television !! The name of the guy I work with is Jim Oberg. He is a flight controller here at Mission Control. The position he works in is called a Guidance and Procedures Officer (GPO for short). He is also world renowned for his books on the Soviet Space Program. He is a leading western expert in that field. As for the content of the program... I have finally reached the point in my life where I can speak with knowledgeable authority on the subject discussed during Larry King Live. The guy from UFO magazine was alleging that NASA was involved in a cover up with the CIA (ha ha ha!) to keep knowledge of alien spacecraft sightings during last year's STS-48 mission. The guy from UFO magazine showed a clip of videotape taken during that mission when the crew was asleep. (Ground controllers operate the cameras in the shuttle's payload bay remotely). What's SO funny about it is that the videotape was recorded from a LIVE down-link from NASA to the American public !! If there really was a cover-up, why would NASA risk sending LIVE video to the public !! It just doesn't make sense. Anyway, the video shows an object (really ice) moving across the camera's field of view - suddenly, the object changes direction and speeds up ! Well, I guess to the un-educated, this might look like something an alien craft might do; but I have worked here (NASA) long enough to figure out what happened. When you get the tape from me, keep an eye on the lower left portion of the screen. You will see a quick flash of light which immediately precedes the object's change of direction. What is happening is an RCS jet firing on the shuttle. RCS stands for reaction control system. It is a system of small rocket engines (about 800 lbs. of thrust) which control the shuttle's pitch, roll, and yaw manuevers in space. Anyway, when the crew sleeps (or does something time consuming), the Commander will let the on-board computers fly the shuttle through the auto-pilot system. In order to hold a given attitude, the auto-pilot must fire the RCS jets every so often. What was captured on the video was the passing of a chunk of ice in front of an RCS jet just as it was firing. The plume of gases sent out by the jet caused the ice-pellet to vear off sharply in another direction. You may ask, how do I know it was ice ?? - Well, when I worked in the Propulsion systems office here at NASA, one of my duties was to catalog a history of RCS jet failures. I ran into countless number of jets that had failed because of fuel or oxidizer that had leaked passed the primary jet valves and frozen in the injector plates (where the fuel and oxidizer mix). This would cause the primary valve to get frozen stuck. Somtimes, the valve would not freeze completely shut and the next time the jet would fire, it would send many little pieces of ice flying out from the nozzle. On the video shown on Larry King Live, it looks like one of these pieces happen to pass by the plume of another jet when it was firing.(Often, the jets must fire in succesion to obtain a given attitude or manuever). It was absolutely astounding to see the guy from UFO magazine accuse Jim Oberg of participating in a cover-up ! It really showed me where a lot of these UFO-conspiracy-theorists are coming from. It seems to me that if you WANT to see a conspiracy, you WILL see a conspiracy. I can tell you flat out that there is no-one from either the CIA, or the military telling us here at NASA what to say, or what to do. I think that guy from UFO magazine is a good example of why many top scientists do not want to be associated with any type of UFO research. These full-time UFO researchers need to stop seeing conspiracies where there are none, and start seeing the methods of rigorous scientific investigation. I think after the fruit-cakes get out of the way, maybe some real discoveries will be made. Gotta Run, Phil FORREST, PHILIP R. DM461 Best regards Stefan Hartmann. email to: leo@zelator.in-berlin.de -- ************************************************************* * Stefan Hartmann This is how to contact me: * * EMAIL: leo@zelator.in-berlin.de * * Phone : ++ 49 30 344 23 66 FAX : ++ 49 30 344 92 79 * ************************************************************* ********************************************** * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * **********************************************