[CNI News editor Michael Lindemann interviewed Lt. Col. Philip Corso (ret.) at an international UFO conference in San Marino on April 4, 1998. CNI News thanks Paola Harris for assistance in setting up this interview. Ms. Harris wrote the introduction to the just-published Italian translation of Col. Corso's book, "The Day After Roswell." In this book, first published in the United States in the spring of 1997, Corso says he handled pieces of wreckage and saw an alien body from the alleged 1947 UFO crash at Roswell. Corso says that, while working at the Pentagon during the early 1960s under General Arthur Trudeau, he was responsible for transferring pieces of alien technology to secret research facilities for back-engineering.]
Michael Lindemann: Colonel Corso, in your recent public statements here in Italy and San Marino, you've said that the thing you should have done while working with the Roswell materials at the Pentagon in the early 1960s -- something you could have done but did not do -- was to start a project to study the extraterrestrial body itself. You say that such a study would teach us invaluable lessons about human space travel. Please explain your thoughts on this.
Philip Corso: It wasn't that we didn't do anything. I had the autopsy report that was done at our laboratory at Walter Reed Hospital. This laboratory was set up for us. We paid for it. About two years ago I wrote them a letter, asking for the reports on this autopsy. A letter came back from the head of the hospital. He said, "We know what you're after, but we don't have this information in our files. If you remember, when you gave us an assignment, the instructions were to return everything to you. We kept nothing." This was true. They were right.
But as I said, we did an autopsy there. What I should have done was to make a major project out of it, like I did with the integrated circuit and fiber optics [as described in his book "The Day After Roswell"]. I should have started a project of that type [regarding the EBE body]. I had the organization for it, and, I think, even the talent on my team. And we had the budget, the money to do it. But I didn't do it, because my main thrust was the competitive edge of the Army, which meant making weapons of destruction.
So, about six months ago I started to think about this project that I didn't do. At this late stage, what can I do about it? I don't have the facilities, the money, the talent available that I had in 1961-62. So, I thought, the only thing I can do now is to try to gather in my mind everything that I know about the extraterrestrial and how he functioned, try to remember the autopsy report and the other information I had on him, and put this all together. Start an analysis, and see what I come up with. I wondered if I could back-engineer this information and possibly find out what the EBE's creators looked like. That was my thought at the beginning.
ML: Is that because this extraterrestrial body was cloned?
PC: He was a humanoid clone. That's where we got the term EBE. We came up with that term because, at the time in 1961-62, we definitely believed, and all our evidence said, that this was an extraterrestrial biological entity. So the name EBE stuck. That's what he was. Another good description of him is humanoid clone.
I made a decision that the most valuable thing they [the aliens] gave us was not the hardware but this humanoid clone. Without something like him, we're not going to be able to go into the heavens. Man can't travel in space. We have to do something like him [the EBE body] to reach out to the future. Also, studying this clone can give us terrific medical advantages that can help us on this world.
[NOTE: Philip Corso is convinced that long-range space travel, for example a manned trip to Mars, is impossible for human beings because of the negative effects of weightlessness, radiation and other conditions in outer space. However, many experts on space travel disagree with Corso's premise, believing instead that spacecraft can be constructed to adequately protect human occupants on very long journeys to Mars and beyond. -- ed.]
ML: Let's discuss details of the extraterrestrial's body, as you remember it.
PC: Let me start by saying I was trained in intelligence by the British. When I was a lieutenant, I was sent to London. Very fortunately for a young officer like me, they took me into MI-19. An older Colonel there sort of took me under his wing and taught me a lot. The British taught me that intelligence not only goes after individual targets. Their main thrust was intentions. So, when I began to study the extraterrestrial lately, my starting point was intentions. What did the creators intend for this creature to do?
My first write-up, the only one I've made so far, is still in handwriting [Corso showed Michael Lindemann this hand-written report]. I've now written about 60 pages, but that's only the beginning. This humanoid clone is a big thing.
Starting from the top down: They don't need any hair. In a flying saucer, hair would be a disadvantage. Hair, dandruff and what-not could get into electrical components. So the intellects who made this thing figured he doesn't need hair. Going further down the head: they don't need ears. They don't have vocal chords, they don't talk; they're electromagnetic beings, so they can sense noise some other way. So, no ears. Also no nose; it's a bother, leave it off. Mouth? They don't eat food or drink water like we do. Leave out teeth.
One of the biggest problems we had with the Gemini and Apollo flights was oxygen. [Apollo 1 was destroyed by fire on the launch pad due to an electric spark in the all-oxygen atmosphere of the capsule; Apollo 13 was almost destroyed in flight due to an oxygen-tank explosion. -- ed.] Even Mir has had oxygen problems. So, if the EBE doesn't breathe air, all that is eliminated. It makes the craft much simpler.
This being and its craft had no facilities for air conditioning, no facilities for warming, no oxygen, and no facilities for rest or sleep. For our astronauts, when they go to sleep, there's a special cot and they have to strap themselves down. But there's no such thing on this [alien] craft. That means this being doesn't sleep either. And in his environment, heat and cold, air conditioning, are not needed.
ML: You're describing a being that has neither the breathing structure nor the eating structure of a human being. So what keeps him going?
PC: What happens if a human being like us gets no nourishment or is taken out of our environment? We fade away, disappear. The same thing happens to the extraterrestrial. Take his nourishment away, take his environment away, and he fades away. And they did fade fast and didn't survive once they got out [of the craft].
I brought this up with General Trudeau. I told him there's no food aboard, no water aboard. And this creature has no blood. Think of all the reports you've heard about the saucer crashes. Never do you hear any reports of blood on these creatures. It's not normal, if the craft crashes and the occupants are in there, that there won't be any blood. But nobody ever reports such a thing. I've seen most of the reports. So we concluded that there's no blood.
So how do they survive? General Trudeau asked me this. I was fortunate to have [Nicola] Tesla's documents -- not all, but a good many of them. They were voluminous. And I had German scientists with me, von Braun's people, and I'd hand them a document and tell them to read it and explain it to me. That was a great advantage. So I told the General that the only thing I could say about how they survive is what I read in Tesla's documents, that we are electromagnetic creatures. And, if we are electromagnetic creatures, it is possible that electromagnetism can propagate us and actually keep us alive. The only possibility I can see is that this creature gets his nourishment and rebuilds his body not like we do, but through electromagnetism. That's his food and water.
ML: Are you saying this creature was electromagnetically linked to the saucer?
PC: I think this makes sense, because this creature was part of the guidance system and the brain of the flying saucer. They were one. So this creature was nourished by electromagnetism and lived in an electromagnetic environment in that flying saucer.
The most important item in this creature is the brain. It has four lobes. The first lobe (in front) has extra windings on it, like an electric motor, to increase its strength.
ML: When I think of the human brain, I don't think of windings. What exactly do you mean by windings?
PC: Lobe number one had actually circular windings around it.
ML: Are they biological material?
PC: Yes, biological material.
ML: In the human brain we see convolutions in the cortex. Is that what you mean?
PC: No, I don't mean that. I mean just like in an electric engine with coils or windings around it. That's what this reminded me of. I think that this lobe number one is programmed. His creators programmed him so that he does their bidding. They don't have to contact him for the function of that lobe. Then there's lobe number two. This is the contact lobe, which allows them to change the instructions in lobe number one. I believe -- this is only my belief now, I can't prove this -- that back in the 1950s when the NSA [National Security Agency] was organized, NSA was getting organized signals from space. Not space static or noise. I think that these signals were instructions coming to the extraterrestrials, to lobe number two, that would change its programming.
The eye of this creature is a TV camera. This creature's cloners had to have a device to get pictures back to them.
ML: You're saying that anything the EBE looks at in his environment could be communicated to these others?
PC: Yes. We can do this, in a way, and a super-intelligence can do it better.
ML: How are these four lobes arranged in the brain?
[Col. Corso drew a diagram showing that lobe number one is in front, two lobes are side by side in the middle, and one lobe is in back.]
PC: The other two lobes are the same as we have. They control the body and the other functions that we have. Unfortunately, we in this world know very little about our own nervous system. This being has a controlled nervous system, and he controls the craft with his nervous system, through his fingers. He has four fingers on each hand, eight total. I think each one controls different frequencies, like colors. Different maneuvers are brought about by changes in the colors [frequencies transmitted through nerve endings in the fingers]. The one body that I had a report on had suction cups on the finger tips. I think that was to steady his finger tips on the control panel, and maybe to intensify it [the connection]. The skin is something like ours, but I think his repells radiation. His uniform over the skin is insurance.
I happened to see one that had a helmet. Up here [along the forehead] it had a band with something like a ruby in the middle. Other labs worked on that; we didn't. I think it intensifies brainwaves. Maybe it's a control mechanism for talking, since they had no vocal chords. The helmet, the one I saw, is transparent. I think it's a protective device. It hangs on the shoulders like a shawl.
This creature cannot come into our environment [without protection] and survive. Anyone who says they saw a creature walking around, I think, is full of baloney. I don't think they can walk around too long in our atmosphere. When they come into our environment, they come completely covered. They can survive and walk around when they're completely covered with a helmet and a skin-tight suit. But his own skin also protects him in space.
[During his short visit to Italy and San Marino, Col. Corso was in constant demand for press interviews. Michael Lindemann was obliged to end the interview at this point because other Corso's other commitments.]
ML: Colonel, I know you've got another interview waiting. Thank you very much for sharing this information with our readers.
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