From krowell@agora.uucp (Keith Rowell) Fri Sep 27 15:24:42 1991
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From: krowell@agora.uucp (Keith Rowell)
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Subject: Re: Request for info
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In article <sxK_r#C@engin.umich.edu> ldoering@engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) writes:
>In article <1991Sep25.174936.10465@agora.uucp> krowell@agora.uucp (Keith Rowell) writes:
>>[in his bibliography of UFO literature]
>>
>>Condon, Edward U. and Daniel S. Gillmor (ed.).  Final Report of
>>the Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects (Conducted by
>>the University of Colorado Under Contract to the United States
>>Air Force). New York: Bantam Books, 1968. 965pp.  After close,
>>competent study of over 100 UFO sighting reports, 30% couldn't be
>>identified!  Read Condon's prejudiced introduction only after you
>>have looked through the rest of the study.  The National Academy
>>of Sciences rubber-stamped Condon's recommendations that no
>>public funds be devoted to the study of UFOs.
>>
>(Disclaimer:  I don't have a copy of this book with me, so my comments
>are based on my having read it several years ago.)
>
>You're correct that Condon et al. were proceeding from the initial
>assumption that the great majority of UFO reports could be explained
>as ordinary (or unusual) events that were not understood by the observers.
>(I assume this is what you mean when you refer to the "prejudiced" 
>introduction.)  

No, Condon's "Conclusions and Recommendations" and "Summary of the Study"
don't accurately reflect the contents of the study. The reason for this
is that Condon was grossly prejudiced against giving the UFO a fair and
complete examination. See the book by David Saunders for documentation of
this. A letter to the editor of the pro-UFO International UFO Reporter of the
Center for UFO Studies by Dr. Thornton Page documents further prejudice
against honest treatment of the UFO by Condon. Page is *not* a pro-UFO
scientist or researcher. He said, "I have just read Richard Sigismond's
'Confrontation with Dr. Condon' in the Sept.-Oct. issue of the International
UFO Reporter. I would like to submit the following addendum: two more
confrontations. Like Condon, I started with the conviction that UFOs were
'nonsense' when I served on the CIA Robertson Committee in 1953. But after
that I came to see that a small fraction of UFO reports were very difficult
to explain. At Wesleyan University in Connecticut, I offered a course on UFOs
which attracted many undergraduates, and taught them some astronomy. Then, in
1968, Carl Sagan and I organized the AAAS Symposium on UFOs to be held in Boston
December, 1969. Condon did everything he could to prevent this meeting...
Somewhat later, I was asked to write the article on UFOs for the Encyclopedia
Britannica. After preparing a draft, I phoned Condon to check whether
I had fully covered the data collected by his committee. This was the final
confrontation. He shouted at me that he should write the article; then
there was a bang, and silence...."

>The main point of the book is that UFOs are just that -
>unidentified flying objects, and that most people don't have the experience
>or knowledge to identify things they see in the sky.

This conclusion was well known at the time by UFO "enthusiasts" and the
few scientists like James McDonald who decided to risk their reputations
by vociferously advocating a serious, longterm look at the UFO problem.
The fuss is all about the 5 to 10 percent of very difficult to identify
sightings as Thorton Page (quoted above) realized. Allan Hendry's book, 
published ten years later, amply documents the fact that there has always
been a stubborn 5 to 10 percent of UFO reports that could not be identified 
*even though there was plenty of high quality data.* Stanton Friedman 
constantly tries to make the point that the better the data, the more 
the 5 to 10 percent remains unknown. It's very curious the Colorado team
ended up with a whopping 30% unexplained; perhaps it was due to their
lack of experience. A quote from Dr. Peter Sturrock's evaluation may
explain why. From SUIPR Report No. 599 (Stanford University Institute
for Plasma Research) "Evaluation of the Condon Report on the Colorado
UFO Project" October 1974: 

>From the Abstract: "The 'Condon Report', presenting the findings of the
Colorado Project on a scientific study of unidentified flying objects,
has been the most influential document concerning the scientific status
of this problem. The present evaluation of this Report contains an
overview, an analysis of evidence by categories, and a discussion of 
scientific methodology. The overview shows that most case studies were
conducted by junior staff; the senior staff took little part and the 
Director took no part in these investigations. The analysis of evidence
by categories shows that there are substantial and significant differences
between the findings of the Project staff and those which the Director
attributes to the Project. Although both the Director and the staff
are cautious in stating conclusions, the staff tend to emphasize challenging
cases and unanswered questions, whereas the Director emphasizes the 
difficulty of further study and the probability that there is no 
scientific knowledge to be reaped...."

>While it's true that the investigators were unable to explain around 30%
>of the reports, the book clearly states that the cases they were unable
>to assign a cause to were cases where there was little evidence (typically
>one or two people driving at night, reporting that they saw a bright light
>over the road that approached their car, causing it to stall or something.)
>In these cases, there was no independent confirmation, no physical evidence,
>etc. so the investigators concluded that they couldn't say one way or another
>what the witnesses had seen.

I found some mention of this alleged lack of good data as a reason for
the unexplained reports in Condon's Summary of the Study in the section
titled Explaining UFO Reports, but I couldn't find this conclusion 
elsewhere. Might you remember where?

>The explained cases are interesting though, and say a great deal about
>the reliability (or lack thereof) of eyewitness testimony.  

Let me emphasize once again that UFO "believer" investigator/researchers
fully acknowledge that people are wrong about seeing true UFOs or
flying saucers 90% of the time. (In a true UFO, the person reserves
judgment -- many people do this -- and don't "leap to the conclusion"
that they saw a flying saucer; they just leave it as simply an UNindentified
object. Other folks go ahead and say to themselves, "Well, I must have
seen a flying saucer since it fit my idea (that I got from popular
culture) of what a flying saucer is supposed to look like and behave like.)
Let me reiterate, PEOPLE ARE MISTAKEN 90 PERCENT OF THE TIME ABOUT SEEING
TRUE UFOS. What they actually have seen is an IFO, which is discovered by
close, competent investigation by UFO investigators like me. (A fellow
MUFON investigator here in Oregon recently established beyond a reasonable
doubt that a photographic UFO hoax was perpetrated on an unsuspecting
Dalles, OR, newspaper editor. Incidentally, hoaxes are the explanation for
less than 1% of all UFO reports.)

>Anyway, this book is an interesting look at the skeptical side of things -
>it shows that most people, even experienced pilots, radar operators, and
>astronauts, can easily misinterpret relatively ordinary phenomena.

Don't get carried away with the idea that debunkers like Phil Klass, the
deceased Donald Menzel, and Robert Sheaffer would like you to believe that our
sensory apparatus becomes grossly unreliable when transient phenomena are
being observed. Genuine or true UFOs (see Allan Hendry's study for a
definition of these) are experienced on average for greater than 1
minute NOT less than 20 or 30 seconds. Actually, Hendry's study of 1307
UFO reports showed that the peak of his genuine UFOs was between 3 and
10 minutes duration.

The problem with the study of the UFO evidence is political; it does not
lie with the nature of the evidence itself. That the evidence is especially
difficult to interpret is a great UNtruth that debunkers affiliated with 
CSICOP and some academicians (Carl Sagan), mainstream newspaper editors 
(at the NY Times), and TV producers (at the major networks) would like you 
to believe. Please note that the study I quoted, the letter I quoted, and
Hendry's book are all somewhat difficult to obtain. The opinions, studies,
etc., of the poeple who spend the most time looking at the UFO are routinely
ignored in the mainstream media -- except for Unsolved Mysteries, and
the tabloid TV shows at the moment. Getting the word out is the problem -- 
not lack of evidence or any special difficulties in interpreting the evidence. 

