From dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Fri May 29 00:06:08 1992
Path: igor.rutgers.edu!rutgers!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!tarpit!bilver!dona
From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: RE-POST: Whitley Strieber "Farewell" Letter
Message-ID: <1992May29.040608.20411@bilver.uucp>
Date: 29 May 92 04:06:08 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Lines: 181


Thought this would be a good follow-up to Robert Sheaffer's recent
posting on Whitley Strieber :-)

Downloaded from the MUFONET BBS ( 901-785-4943 ) and originally
posted to the UFO echoes by John Powell.

-----Begin included text--------------------------------------------


"The Communion Letter" - cover letter from the Spring Issue, 1991; Volume 3,
No. 1.  Copyright 1991, Wilson and Neff, Inc.  Dora Ruffner, Editor, PO Box
10235, San Antonio, TX 78210-0235.  Anne Strieber, Executive Editor, 496 La
Guardia Place, New Yo
rk, NY 10012

=============================================================================

Dear Reader:

I would like to thank you for your patronage of the Communion Letter.  Your
subscription ends with this issue, and we are not taking new subscriptions or
renewals.  A list of available back issues is printed on the reverse of this
letter for those who may be interested in collecting.

I had always intended to run the newsletter about two years, and that amount
of time has now passed.  During this period the Communion Letter has gained a
large circulation and, I believe, published some remarkable articles.

But all good things must come to an end.  I am not a UFO researcher and do not
wish to endure the continued media attack that is associated with being
involved in this field.  In addition, the so-called "UFO-ologists" are
probably the cruellest, nastiest and craziest people I have ever encountered.
Their interpretation of the visitor experience is rubbish from beginning to
end.  The "abduction reports" that they generate are not real.  They are
artifacts of hypnosis and cultural conditioning.

What we are experiencing is a perceptual anomaly that is sufficiently
ambiguous and intense that it demands explanation.  It is something that human
beings have been experiencing for a long time.  It is the cause of religion,
of mythology, of folklore.  Presently it is the cause of the "alien abduction"
belief.

What is *really* behind our experiences?  We are.  This is a human thing.
However, I would also say that it indicates that we--and our world--are vastly
different, and far more strange, than we have ever dreamed, or dared imagine.

With that I leave you.

                              Whitley Strieber

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: 07-22-91  21:19
From: John Powell
Subj: Communion Letter, Bye Bye

Strieber sure had a lot to say about a lot of topics in the Farewell issue of
The Communion Letter.  ("The Communion Letter" from the Spring Issue, 1991;
Volume 3, No. 1.  Copyright 1991, Wilson and Neff, Inc.  Dora Ruffner,
Editor, PO Box 10235, San Antonio, TX 78210-0235.  Anne Strieber, Executive
Editor, 496 La Guardia Place, New York, NY 10012)
The most important points that Strieber is apparently trying very hard to
make are also the most difficult ones to decipher and understand.  I suppose
that shouldn't be a surprise since Strieber, given his training and
profession, deals with a version of reality that at best is highly
exaggerated and at worst is completely artificial.  (I also found it
unnecessarily tedious to have to read "between the lines", a practice not
generally required when examining genuine expository writing.  In what
follows I have tried to avoid writing "between the lines" unless Strieber
provided no other reasonable alternative.)
Please note that my questions are mostly rhetorical or at least not directly
at you personally... <grin>
First, some of Whit's more easily extractable comments.  Here's what he has
to say about...
UFOlogists:
-+---------
"...are probably the cruellest, nastiest and craziest people I have ever
encountered.  Their interpretation of the visitor experience is rubbish from
beginning to end.  The "abduction reports" that they generate are not real.
They are artifacts of hypnosis and cultural conditioning."
"...looney certitudes offered by UFO fanatics."
"Jealousy is an illness, and it is highly contagious, and the UFO community
is sick to death with it."
"...the so-called "typical abduction experience" that has been concocted by
the UFO community."
"...the [Communion] groups were operating as an alternative to a very nasty
little cult run by people so startlingly ignorant of what they are doing that
they do not even understand that they are brainwashing their victims."
I was rather disappointed to see Strieber take such a wide brush to what is
actually a very large and highly varied group of people who mostly have in
commom a genuine desire to find out what is going on.  Why would Strieber try
to turn tens of thousands of people away from ufologists and ufology?
Especially when these people are at the core of the phenomenon...
UFOlogy:
-+------
"...the UFO community, whom they [Strieber's scientist friends] regard as a
kooky backwater plagued by the fuzzy thinking of losers with poor academic
credentials, who are motivated by superstition and insane jealousies."
"Until organizations like MUFON and CUFOS disintegrate or become discredited,
and the press is allowed to discover that there are people with strong and
respected credentials working on the subject, further progress is unlikely."
"...the UFO junk, with the attendant risk of being made into a hypnotized
zombie."
"I do not accept most UFO doctrine, at least not as it is expressed by
American believers."
These and other similar statements were equally disappointing.  Strieber
effectively trashes the people involved in trying to find out what is going
on, the organizations they are associated with in trying to find out what is
going on, the media, and the government.  Aside from Strieber himself what's
left?  Are we suppossed to think that _everybody_ sucks except Whitley?
Strieber's whining is incessant, I don't know how he defines "poor academic
credentials", nor do I know who his scientist friends are, but it seems to me
that _someone_ is unfamiliar with the rosters of MUFON and CUFOS.
Furthermore, I find the idea of Strieber sitting in judgement over all of
these people and their collective contributions to be something best suited
to what Strieber does best - fiction.
UFOs:
-+---
"The presence of UFO's, at least, has already been proven.  The problem is
not one of whether or not they exist, but rather, what they are."
Strieber says that he is "not a UFO researcher" yet he comments on Roswell:
"I was able to do some research into this affair which must remain
confidential, but it convinced me that the Air Force obtained, without a
doubt, some material from the desert north of Roswell, New Mexico, that it
could not explain at the time."  Mildly stated and cloaked in confidentiality
his opinion is more interesting in light of his feelings on CUFOS and the
recent work Randle & Schmitt have done.  Yes, the presence of UFOs _is_
clearly established, to my knowledge without help from Strieber, and a large
amount of congratulation is due the very people and organizations that
Strieber wishes to see discredited or destroyed outright - strange sentiments
coming from someone who claims to also want the truth found.
Strieber's contends that the visitors and the visitor experience
are a natural part of the evolution of humankind and he makes fairly clear a
significant part of his understanding of that process saying that it "begins,
always, with destruction."  However, according to Strieber, we should welcome
this destruction and the destructors and not fear them.  "What is the secret
of the lamb lying down with the lion?  The lamb sees that the full expression
of his life requires him to surrender to the lion.  To fully express himself
he must serve nature, and so also the lion."  "The lion is not evil because
he eats the lamb.  Rather, he is simply hungry, and he has a right to his
hunger."  "Earth is fat with flesh: she is aching for the days of harvest."
Personally, I'd like a wee bit more choice in the matter...
He suggests that we can contribute to, perhaps hasten, this process if we
"abandon myth, abandon folklore, abandon culture, abandon all the engines of
deceit..."  He flatly states that the "only way to proceed is to accept that
the soul has an objective reality and - at the present moment - we haven't
got the faintest idea what that means."  We also don't have any evidence...
Strieber treats his friends about as well as he seems to treat everyone else:
"Why would it be that one journalist came to my cabin and had an encounter,
and another did not?  Why would a weak, hysterical fool have elaborate
contact, while a well-educated, competent scientist would not?"
Strieber concludes the final issue of the Communion Letter with: "Will we
meet again?"
I hope not.  I do not give him special credit for popularizing the Abduction
phenomenon since Hopkins and Fowler, among others, were doing that long
before Strieber got reamed.  Strieber, and the Communion Letter, have clearly
(IMHO) helped to create and spread disinformation and I cannot help but think
that this might have been intentional.  His fictionalization of the Roswell
event in Majestic was more adolescent and humorous than it was accurate or
informative and their support of Moore, an admitted gov't agent, is more than
indictment enough.
My only concern is for all those people who are now not only cutoff from his
minor information but who may also be, if they obey Strieber's directives,
essentially isolated from the serious prospect of help and recovery.
Thanks, take care.
John.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

** End of text **

Don


-- 
-* Don Allen *-               // Only   | Tavistock + Esalen = "New Age"
Internet: dona@bilver.uucp  \X/ Amiga   | Rothschild + Rockefeller = FED
UUCP: .uunet!peora!bilver!vicstoy!dona  | UN + Maitreya = "Twilight Zone"
"A democracy cannot be both ignorant and free"  - Thomas Jefferson

From sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) Wed May 27 01:07:51 1992
Path: igor.rutgers.edu!rutgers!sun-barr!decwrl!csus.edu!netcomsv!mork!sheaffer
From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.conspiracy,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: What happened to the white spot in W.Strieber's brain?
Message-ID: <dl3kqql.sheaffer@netcom.com>
Date: 27 May 92 05:07:51 GMT
References: <1992May26.123306.6501@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <VoDeLB5w164w@cellar.org>
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 189


   While we're on the subject of Whitley Strieber, the following appeared
   in the November, 1988 issue of BASIS, the Bay Area Skeptics' BBS.
   (Call the Skeptics' Board at 415-648-8944 for lots more good stuff!)


        
                    The "Transformation" of Whitley Strieber
        
                               by Robert Sheaffer
        
        
        On September 21,  1988, viewers of the popular daytime television 
        show  "People Are Talking" on KPIX,  Channel 5,  in San Francisco 
        saw an amazing thing.  Whitley Strieber,  author of such  popular 
        works  of fiction as "The Wolfen",  and "The Hunger",  as well as 
        the  best-selling  and  supposedly  true  accounts  of   humanoid 
        visitation   in  "Communion"  an  "Transformation",   indignantly 
        refused  to  let the hosts of the show do any  promotion  of  his 
        latest  book!  No  doubt  the  viewers of  that  show  are  still 
        scratching  their  heads about such inexplicable behavior on  the 
        part of a guest doing a book promotion tour.  As the other  guest 
        on that show,  the one who was all but ignored by the hosts,  let 
        me explain why that strange scene happened.
        
        You  see,  forty-five minutes before air time,  I arrived at  the 
        studio  and  was  escorted to the Green Room,  where  guests  are 
        groomed and prepared.  There I came upon Whitley Strieber in  the 
        midst  of  a  world-class  temper  tantrum.  He  was  indignantly 
        refusing  to go on!  He apparently expected to be the only guest, 
        and  to  have an entire hour to expound his fantasies  about  the 
        humanoid  "visitors" who are said to be lavishing their  unwanted 
        attention on him,  unchallenged and unquestioned.  I later  found 
        out  that while he had left instructions with those arranging the 
        tour that under no circumstances would he appear on any show with 
        Philip  J.  Klass,  he  had not ruled out - at least  to  them  - 
        appearing  with some other skeptic.  The producer of "People  Are 
        Talking,"  Karen Stevenson,  a young woman of great firmness  and 
        tact,   was  sitting  there  quietly  enduring  Whitley's  verbal 
        assaults.  "I  don't know who this man is," complained  Streiber, 
        "and  I  don't know what he will say!" Apparently he expects  all 
        opposing opinions to be cleared in advance! Karen firmly repeated 
        that  she had made all arrangements with his publisher,  and with 
        his publicist,  in accordance with their instructions,  and  they 
        had  raised  no  objections.  The young  woman  representing  his 
        publicist  sat  there quietly and somewhat  nervously,  obviously 
        wishing she were somewhere else.
        
        Whitley continued his tirade.  Pointing to me,  he shouted  "that 
        man is going to go on and challenge my mental health.  He's going 
        to call me crazy!  He's with that CSICOP, they're just as nuts as 
        those new-age people.  They have a religion of disbelief." In his 
        short  tirade against the skeptics,  who he says are in the habit 
        of calling anyone who disagrees with them crazy,  Strieber called 
        us  "nuts"  or "crazy" three times.  I pointed out the  irony  of 
        this, but it was clear from the reaction of all involved that the 
        best thing I could say at this point was nothing.  I kept  silent 
        for a while,  enabling him to resume his tirade.  He had received 
        long letters from Philip J.  Klass of CSICOP,  he said, that were 
        "crazy," and made no sense at all. He also charged that the hosts 
        of the show were bound to misrepresent his experiences by  saying 
        that they are alien visitors,  while he has never claimed to know 
        whether or not "the visitors" are extraterrestrial.  Those people 
        who  claim  alien  encounters are just as  crazy  as  CSICOP,  he 
        charged. 
        
        Streiber  also claimed to be upset about the previous time he was 
        on  the  show.  Karen recalled that it had gone  very  well,  but 
        Strieber insisted it was a "stupid" show.  She suggested that  he 
        was  perhaps  confusing it with a show in some other city  called 
        "People  Are  Talking,"  of  which  there  are  several.  No,  he 
        insisted,  he remembered it perfectly.  The audience at this show 
        was  "stupid",  they  asked "stupid" questions,  and they accused 
        him of being crazy. "I don't need your show," he continued, "your 
        stupid  show!  My book ("Transformation") is number four  on  the 
        Best-Seller list.  I don't need to do these shows! I'm getting so 
        fed up with going on shows and having everyone laugh at me!" 
        
        Karen emphasised that a live show would be starting very soon, on 
        which  he  had  agreed  to appear,  and that  he  must  meet  his 
        commitments.  But  Whitley still refused to go out and appear  or 
        debate  with  me.  "Let him go on first.  I'll just do the  final 
        segment.  And DON'T mention my book!  I don't want you to mention 
        my  book at all if he is going to be criticising it!" Karen  once 
        again  reaffirmed that he had made a  commitment.  Then  Strieber 
        must have realized that he couldn't win this battle. He gradually 
        decreased his level of objection, the bluster slowly fading as it 
        became  clear that he was not going to be able to keep me off the 
        show. "All right," said Whitley, "I will go on - but I WON'T LIKE 
        IT!"  The magnitude of that threat stunned all who were  present. 
        "And I'll never come back!"
        
        At  this  point  we broke to get on  our  makeup.  The  assistant 
        director of the show,  Lisa Tatum,  had arrived in the doorway of 
        the Green Room a few minutes earlier,  standing there silently in 
        obvious  bewilderment.  Karen excused herself to go talk  to  the 
        hosts of the show.  The makeup man, who had been listening to all 
        this from the adjoining room,  expressed bewilderment to me about 
        Whitley's  behavior  as he applied a light coat of powder  to  my 
        face.  Returning to the Green Room,  in the few minutes remaining 
        before air time,  I attempted to engage Whitley in a  substantive 
        discussion,  to  disarm  his hostility.  I succeeded to  a  small 
        extent.  He  objected mightily to CSICOP and everything it stands 
        for,  displaying an extreme hostility to science as well. To him, 
        both CSICOP and the "new agers" are "fascists", because they both 
        seek to break down the individual.
        
        We  went  on stage at this point,  got our  microphones  on,  and 
        waited for the show to begin. Whitley said nothing, and still was 
        refusing  to  allow the hosts to mention the name of the book  he 
        came to promote,  or to show its cover. We came on camera, and as 
        I expected,  the early minutes of the show were entirely his,  to 
        tell  his stories of things that go "bump" in the  night,  things 
        that allegedly come into his bedroom, carry him up somewhere into 
        the  sky,  and  poke needles into his skull and nose  to  implant 
        probes.  He  neglected to describe at least on the air,  how  the 
        beings  allegedly  inserted  a long,  cylindrical  probe  up  his 
        rectum,  or  how the female humanoid was very interested  in  his 
        penis,  as  was recounted in "Communion." The situation must have 
        seemed at least a little odd to the viewers: here is a guest with 
        many  weird  tales to tell,  but apparently without any  book  in 
        which it is told!
        
        I  expected to be given a similar amount of time to question  the 
        plausibility  and  substance of such claims,  but I had only  the 
        briefest opportunity to respond. The two hosts then took the show 
        to the audience for questions - previewed by them - all of  which 
        except one were directed to Strieber.  It became clear that I was 
        never  going  to get the time to speak I was expecting.  I  tried 
        interrupting  a few times,  but after speaking only a few  words, 
        the  hosts  moved on to something else.  Clearly,  some  kind  of 
        "arrangement"  had  been made,  keeping my time to  the  absolute 
        minimum,  probably  because they feared that Strieber might  walk 
        off  the set.  One questioner asked if Strieber had attempted  to 
        trap,  or  photograph the visitors.  Indeed he had,  he  replied, 
        using   video  cameras,   still  cameras,   and  other   devices. 
        Unfortunately, something always goes wrong with the attempt, such 
        as  the  camera  batteries going dead;  "the  visitors"  seem  to 
        possess  the  ability to thwart all attempts  to  document  their 
        presence!  I  was dumbfounded by a question directed to me by co-
        host  Ross McGowen,  as he worked the audience:  "you DO  believe 
        that men have landed on the moon,  don't you?" Apparently Whitley 
        had  succeeded in "selling",  at least to the show's  staff,  his 
        notion  that  to question his visions of "the  visitors"  was  as 
        perversely  blind as those who insist that the space program is a 
        fraud!  I responded that 99.9 percent of the scientific community 
        do not accept accounts of the kind Strieber relates.
        
        During  the  commercial break before one of the  final  segments, 
        Karen  dashed  out onto the set to ask Strieber if he wanted  his 
        book to be "promo-ed".  "NO!",  he flatly replied.  I said that I 
        would like to have MY book,  The UFO Verdict, "promo-ed". Whitley 
        said,  still annoyed,  "Yes,  go promo HIS book!" This was  done, 
        briefly.  In  the final fifteen seconds of the show,  Ross  asked 
        Strieber  from across the room if he wanted to mention his  book. 
        "NO!",  Whitley snarled,  then paused,  and sheepishly  muttered, 
        "it's  Transformation."  Within  seconds of going  off  the  air, 
        Strieber  had  left  the  studio.  The 'Prima  Donna'  was  still 
        furious.
         
        In  the  final  analysis,  Strieber's visions of  "the  visitors" 
        undoubtedly  have  more to do with religion and  psychology  than 
        they do with anything extraterrestrial.  Strieber is far from the 
        first  person in history to experience visions of bizarre beings, 
        and then become transformed into a tireless evangelist seeking to 
        convince  the  world  that they are  real.  Many  religions  were 
        founded in precisely this manner;  indeed, the very titles he has 
        chosen for these books about "the visitors" places them firmly in 
        the  realm of religion.  There seems little room for  doubt  that 
        Strieber firmly believes what he is saying. There is also not the 
        slightest  bit of physical evidence that any of it is  true.  But 
        truth  has never been a necessary element for making a nonfiction 
        book a success, as we see from the 1987 success of "Communion" as 
        a  #1 Best-Seller,  and "Transformation" now seems headed  toward 
        similar success.  As skeptics,  this will not surprise us, but as 
        citizens  concerned  about the future of education  and  rational 
        thought, it gives us reasons for grave concern. 
-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

    "Every psychic investigator of [the medium] Mrs. Piper was impressed
     by her simplicity and honesty. It never occurred to them that no
     charlatan ever achieves greatness by acting like a charlatan. No
     professional spy acts like a spy. No card cheat behaves at the
     table like a card cheat."
                               - Martin Gardner

