Info-ParaNet Letters Volume 1 Issue 5 Subjects - Flying Saucers-Top Secret Gulf Breeze photos Flying Saucers-Top Secret Gulf Breeze --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Flying Saucers-Top Secret I have been reading a book by Major Donald Keyhoe titled 'Flying Saucers - Top Secret'. This book was copyrighted (C) 1960 by Donald Keyhoe. As you may know, Maj. Keyhoe was the Director of NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon) back in the late 50's and 60's. I ran across a very interesting chapter, Chapter 16, which deals with the Navy investigation of a map which was discovered which caused them a great deal of concern. I am reprinting part of that chapter here for information. I am also interested in knowing if anyone might have further information on this map for discussion. Major Keyhoe is in a meeting with Captain John Brent and Commander Larsen. Captain Brent was one of Major Keyhoe's classmates at the Naval Academy. Keyhoe has arranged the meeting to ask about reports that there had been UFOs 'observing rocket launchings at Cape Canaveral. And another report, from a missile technician at a different base, said they'd had to hold up launchings several times because of UFO interference.' During the discussion, the story comes out about the map.... "Why do you think UFOs are watching us?" I asked. "They may be afraid we'll cause trouble out in space," said Larsen. "And they'd have reason to worry, if they were dealing with Soviet space fleets." "Have you ever thought," Captain Brent asked me quietly, "that the earth might be a colony started by another world?" I looked at him, startled. "I've heard it suggested, but--do you actually believe it?" "I'm certain of this much," replied Brent. "A race far more technically advanced than we are today was on earth thousands of years ago." He swung around to a cabinet, took out a folder. "The Hydrographic Office of the Navy has verified an ancient chart--it's called the Piri Reis map--that goes back more than 5,000 years. It's so accurate only one thing could explain it--a worldwide aerial survey." "That's almost incredible!" I said. "The Hydrographic Office experts couldn't believe it, either, at first. But they no only proved the map genuine, it's been used to correct errors in some present day maps." Commander Larsen leaned forward. "Tell him about the seismic soundings." "All right." The captain turned back to me. "The Director of Weston Observatory of Boston College is a top seismologist - Reverend Daniel Linehan, Society of Jesuits. He's so good that the Navy got him to help in the Antarctic, to find where there was land under the ice. The coast lines they found were identical with those on the Piri Reis map. So the map surveys would have to have been made centuries ago, before the land was buried by that deep ice. "Father Linehan revealed this on a Georgetown University Forum, as proof that this map is genuine. The forum transcript also contains statements by the Hydrographic Office engineer in charge of the evaluation of the map--Mr. M.I. Walters. Other significant points were made by A.H. Mallery, a retired sea captain--he's the man who persuaded the Navy to examine the Piri Reis map, after he realized how important the old chart was." So far, Captain Brent told me, only part of the complete Piri Reis map had been found, a section covering the coasts of South America, Africa and a portion of Antarctica. He showed me a copy of the ancient chart, then read the main points of the transcript. Early in the sixteenth century, Admiral Piri Reis, Turkish Navy, had acquired a map used by Columbus. Combining it with Greek maps dating back to Alexander the Great, he compiled a world chart in 1513. In 1953, a Turkish naval officer sent the Piri Reis map to the Chief Engineer of the United States Navy Hydrographic Office. To evaluate it, the Chief Engineer asked the aid of Captain Mallery, an authority on old maps, who had previously worked with him. After a long study, Mallery discovered the projection method used. Confirming this and other technical points, the Navy cartographers came to these conclusions: 1. Columbus had a map, on his historic voyage to America, which showed the coasts of Yucatan, Guatemala, South America to the Straits of Magellan and a large part of the Antarctic coast. 2. The original maps went back at least 5,000 years, and some data shown went back even farther. Part of the land areas shown had been buried under ice for twenty centuries or more. 3. Only highly trained survey teams and cartographers could have produced charts of such "amazing accuracy." Their operations must have covered the entire earth. "We don't know how they could do it so accurately without the airplane," Captain Mallery summed it up. Captain Brent put down the transcript. "Mallery was right. They couldn't have done it without some type of flying machine. And there are other indications of a highly advanced technology thousands of years before Christ." "But couldn't there have been an advanced earth race?" I inquired. "Archaeologists have found evidence of other lost civilizations." "Yes, but no trace of factories, laboratories or fuel plants. It would have taken a huge industry to build and maintain such an air fleet. But spaceships from another world wouldn't require any of that--they'd bring what they needed, just as we intend to do in our own space explorations. "For the first stages, our men will live aboard their ships, after landing on the moon and Mars. This unknown space race could have done the same thing, and from that point we've worked out several possible developments." Using the Piri Reis map evaluations, Captain Brent and Larsen had assumed spaceship landings at least 10,000 years ago. Before deciding on a colony, said Brent, the unknown explorers undoubtedly would have tested our atmosphere, gravity and other living conditions, to make sure their race could adjust to life on earth. If overpopulation on their own planet had led them to plan a large scale migration, they would plan a civilization like their own, as far as possible. Technically trained groups would be brought in first, then basic equipment, just as we plan for our own space colonies. Following this, emigrants from their own world would be ferried to earth in huge spaceships. "That's simple logic," said Captain Brent. "Our own planners expect giant spaceships, for this same purpose, within a century or two." "Yes," I said, "but if this had happened there'd surely be signs of advanced construction--different and better than anything we have today." Captain Brent agreed. "That's why we think something must have stopped them during the early stages. Possibly it was disaster on their own planet--accidental nuclear explosions, or an epidemic, or interplanetary war. Even if their world survived, the earth colony might be almost forgotten as they rebuilt. It could be centuries before their descendants got around to checking up." Meantime, Captain Brent continued, descendants of the first colony on earth would have developed on entirely different lines. When the spaceships failed to return, the colony members would be concerned mainly with survival. Lacking machines and other technical equipment, they would be forced into a primitive life, their advanced civilization but an unhappy memory. To later generations, struggling for existence, the link with another world would seem only a myth--if thought of at all. "And the net result," concluded Brent, "would be the same if the first group was deliberately abandoned here." "Abandoned?" I said. "But why should they be?" "To get rid of undesirables." "That's an ugly thought." "I don't mean criminals necessarily," replied the captain. "Though turning a planet into a Devil's Island isn't impossible." Commander Larsen grimaced. "Bein banished like that - most people would prefer a death sentence." Further.... As I went out to the parking lot, I thought of another angle to the colony theory. What effect would this have upon religion? At first, it appeared to deny the Biblical story of man's creation. But the landing of spaceships on an already inhabited world would pose no such problem, and the space race still could have played a vital part in our civilization. Ten thousand years ago, spaceships could have landed with on opposition. The primitive tribes then on earth would have been awed, probably frightened into hiding. .... ...More and more, I realized the difficulties of preparing the public. The most peaceful contact, even with beings like ourselves, would have a tremendous impact, raising a hundred questions. Why wasn't the CIA, or whatever agency was in control, already at work on a program of prepartion? Perhaps they were working on preparation. Recently, Don Ecker uploaded a file (USAFTXT.FIL) which contains the chapter removed from USAF training manuals dealing with the subject of UFOs. In this manual, there is discussion of possible involvement with UFOs going back as far as 50,000 years. This material was being widely taught to cadets in prepartion for their military careers until publicity after the Condon Committee's recommendation to disband Project Bluebook brought unfavorable criticism to the Air Force for teaching this despite the findings that UFOs are not real. The main point here is that apparently there was enough concern and curiousity on the part of the military to study the Piri Reis maps and conclude that they were authentic and the other conclusions that were derived from that study to indicate that they were sufficiently concerned about the UFO phenomenon to connect them with the maps. Another interesting note in this material is the conclusions that the military was drawing out of it in regards to the ancient civilizations. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: ...!scicom!mcorbin INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG ----------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Torson@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Torson) Subject: Gulf Breeze photos Organization: FidoNet node 1:304/1 - NEXUS, Flagstaff AZ Well, now I'm confused. Uh...er... I should say *STILL* confused. In a July 16 message, Michael Corbin tells us that ParaNet has rated the Gulf Breeze case a hoax based on the findings of a "private laboratory" that "clearly show a support of some kind holding the UFO up to be photgraphed." In a July 18 message, Jim Speiser's first reason for rating the case a hoax is "finding of a linear structure by independent photo laboratory." Both Corbin and Speiser go on to make the contradictory complaint that the original photos have not been made available for independent analysis. This raises some questions that need to be answered: 1. What is the source of these reports of findings by an independent lab? (Sorry, it had to be asked.) 2. What lab performed this analysis, and exactly what was done? 3. If there has been a refusal to provide the original photos, then what photos were analyzed? First generation copies? Second? Third? Obviously, the copying process can destroy original information and introduce spurious artifacts. The validity of analysis of copies is thus questionable. About a year ago I talked with Bruce Maccabee and expressed an interest in performing computer analysis on digitized copies of the original photos. He said that he was planning to obtain digital images using high quality equipment and that the data would be provided to interested people when they became available. However, I lost interest and never followed up on this because it quickly became obvious that most people were more interested in making personal attacks on the investagtors rather than in examining the evidence in the case. Some obvious questions: 1. Is Maccabee now refusing to provide the digital image data to independent investigators? If so, what reason does he give for refusing? 2. If the data were provided to others, what labs were involved and what were their conclusions? The fake UFO photos by Wim van Utrecht (IUR May/June 1989) are certainly interesting. However, I agree with Maccabee when he says that it would be much more difficult to fake the stereo Gulf Breeze photos. Is there good evidence indicating that Ed is capable of faking these? Perhaps I should clarify that I do not necessarily accept the validity of the Gulf Breeze case. However, before we can accept a firm conclusion of "hoax" we will need answers to questions such as those listed above. -- Jim Torson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: ...!scicom!304!1!Jim.Torson INTERNET: Jim.Torson@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Linda.Murphy@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Murphy) Subject: Flying Saucers-Top Secret Organization: Paranet Information Service, Denver, CO (303) 431-1343 > the old chart was." > So far, Captain Brent told me, only part of the complete Piri Reis > map had been found, a section covering the coasts of South America, > Africa and a portion of Antarctica. He showed me a copy of the ancient > chart, then read the main points of the transcript. > Early in the sixteenth century, Admiral Piri Reis, Turkish Navy, > had acquired a map used by Columbus. Combining it with Greek maps dating > back to Alexander the Great, he compiled a world chart in 1513. You never heard of the Piri Reis map before? It is in so many books, even old books dealing with cartography... All kinds of books dealing with unusual things.... Robert Charroux, a French writer who pondered over such things as we are in this area, back in the 60's says they wondered why it was spirited away to the United States (he ties it in of course, with Hyperboria, Atlantis, and the "Motherland" --- which is commonly held in belief by many today to be the United States)... In regards to Columbus -- some facts: The Greek mathematician Pythagoras declared the earth round in the 6th C. BC. Aristotle reported rumors of land west of Europe, and Erastosthenes computed the circumference of the world amazingly accurately centureis before Christ. The Greek geographer Strabo about 7 B.C. wrote of attempts to circumnavigate the earth... THor Hyerdahl claims Columbus had more than rumors, that he knew where he would find land to the west because of letters to the Vatican from Norse priests in Greenland settlements four centuries earlier. He also cites a request that the King of England ordered his ships to stop plundering those settlements. Heyerdahl had hoped [this was written in Nov. 1986] had hoped to prove in a forthcoming study that Columbus was aware of the Greenland papers. According to the Spanish historian Antonio de Herrera, while in Portugal Columbus likely met Martin Behaim, who in 1492 produced his magnificent globe [pictured in the National Geographic article] -- the oldest existing on earth today. It is now in the German National Museum in Nurnberg. Comparing the globe, along with actual entries in the log, it is highly probable that the Behaim cartography was used. The author [Senior Associate Editor for National Geographic, Joseph Judge] states that 5 years of research team effort, and sailing according to the globe/log comparisons, assisted with computers programmed with the information, sailed several times to what the researchers feel to be the "True Columbus Landfall" --- with this in mind, then the Peri Reis map is totaly out of the picture -- [National Geographic (November 1986 Vol.170, No.5) has a suppliment map and excerpts of the actual log, and the reader can follow the entire adventure..] Also, it is well known that the Phoenecians were well versed with the seas and oceans, and there routes were so secret, that death was the penalty to anyone suspected of betraying the secret (they took no chances, according to historians --). Perhaps some of these ancient masters' charts were discovered along the way also.... BTW --- the German globe does not show ice either... So I spose that means in the 1400's the poles were still ice-free? (just to make a point ---) ( 1:304/1) -- Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: ...!scicom!Linda.Murphy INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@paranet.FIDONET.ORG --------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe.Holland@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Joe Holland) Subject: Gulf Breeze Organization: FidoNet node 1:304/1 - NEXUS, Flagstaff AZ My offhand impression is that Ufology has not yet learned how to investigate something as involved as Gulf Breeze, and I do not in a general way, tend to believe the conclusions that have been reached. The case would be more interesting to me if something had emerged from it that told us something about the aliens. It seems more like a study of Ufologists. That, of course, is also interesting. -- Joe Holland - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: ...!scicom!304!1!Joe.Holland INTERNET: Joe.Holland@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG