Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 60 Friday, October 13th 1989 Today's Topics: Russian Update Roswell Update! Limbaugh sighting report Re: Soviet Sightings Soviet Landing Re: Unsolved Mysteries Soviet TASS Agency Re: Soviet Landing Re: Soviet Sightings Re: Roswell Update! Re: Soviet Sightings A Current Affair Soviet UFO Story ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Russian Update Date: 11 Oct 89 21:04:00 GMT 2:00 MST - CNN Soviet television has now jumped into the act with the landing of the UFO in the Soviet Union. The reporter interviewed one of the witnesses, a child, who described that the craft landed in the park and opened up a window peering out. The witness described the creature as having three eyes, two in the normal place and one in the middle. Also interviewed were two UFO investigators, apparently the equivalent of a MUFON investigator, who used a Bio Meter and a Magnetograph. Both instruments did confirm that something had been there. Also noted on the film from the Soviet Union were what appeared to be landing marks impressed deep in the soil. These marks appeared to be circular, about 18" in diameter and about 8-10 inches deep. -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Roswell Update! Date: 12 Oct 89 00:31:00 GMT (C) 1989 ParaNet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. ParaNet (Denver, CO)--October 11, 1989--July 2, 1947 could be a day that will go down in infamy in the history of UFOlogy. The place--Roswell, New Mexico. The event--A crash of an intelligent, biological entity controlled, highly sophisticated machine from literally out of this world. So says the team of Don Schmitt, Regional Director of the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) of Chicago, Illinois, and Kevin Randle, a former Captain in Air Force intelligence who began researching this highly controversial report from July, 1947. According to the reports, a UFO crashed during a violent thunderstorm in a very remote area of the Brazel ranch northeast of Corona, New Mexico around July 2, 1947. As has been previously reported, the crash site was quickly cleaned up by personnel from Roswell Army Air Force Base in Roswell, New Mexico. Jesse Marcel was quoted as stating that the material that he found in the desert was not of this world and was ordered to fly the remains to Carswell AFB in Texas where a press conference was held to tell the nation that the material found was that of a crashed weather balloon. Further, unconfirmed reports, claimed that alien bodies were also recovered and all remains were taken to the infamous 'Hangar 18' at Wright- Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio where a tight security lid was clamped down on the study of the find. To date, virtually none of this material has ever been substantiated. According to Don Schmitt, a coverup of major proportions has ensued for over 42 years as to the true nature of the Roswell crash. When Schmitt attempted to reconstruct a time line of the incident, he found too many pieces missing and began an investigation in September, 1987 to determine what those missing pieces really were. He enlisted the aid of former Air Force Intelligence Captain Kevin Randle, whom Schmitt stated, was totally a skeptic. He was friends of Phil Klass, and Schmitt wanted such a skeptic involved in the investigation. According to Schmitt, Randle 'has total conviction' in UFOs. During the investigation, a definitive time line was established from July 2, 1947 to July 10, 1947, and it was found that there were numerous witnesses to the incident that had never been found nor had been interviewed. From this point onward, Schmitt and Randle made four trips to New Mexico and other parts of the country interviewing the witnesses to this incident. Locating the exact location of the crash, with the help of Bill Brazel, the son of the rancher that originally made the awesome discovery, Schmitt and Randle and some scientists conducted a survey and excavation of the crash site. Jerome Clark, editor for the CUFOS bi-monthly publication IUR, stated that the crash site was in an extremely remote area. The findings of the excavation of that area will be detailed in an upcoming publication of IUR. William Moore and Charles Berlitz drew national public attention to this incident with the publication of 'The Roswell Incident' in 1980. During the investigation, Schmitt found that the material in the book was "highly inaccurate, and had much paraphrasing and many misquotes with very misleading information which really surprised us." The CUFOS investigation has turned up some very interesting facts and is "specifically attacking the military involvement with Roswell," Schmitt stated. "There is clear evidence of a coverup. More evidence, in fact, of a coverup than ever before. In fact we can pinpoint where it originated, the time line, the manner and degree with which it took place," Schmitt said. "And, where the specific orders were coming from. Originally, Moore talked about one flight in the book with Jesse Marcel. We have found two other flights with other people and have tracked down those crewmen. So far, I have tracked down a dozen former military people who were involved who have never been interviewed." When asked about why this material was never brought to light with Ruppelt or Keyhoe in their previous writings, Schmitt states, "The coverup was so effective at that time. If you think back to July, 1947, the intelligence network was at its peak just coming off the war. Everything was still in place and in high gear. They so quickly removed it from the intelligence office in Roswell. The Pentagon became involved immediately. All orders were going through counterintelligence and we have pinned down those people involved. They still deny involvement, but we have other people that testify to their involvement. So, the coverup is still ongoing. That surprised us too. That 42 years after the fact, we still have these people that confidentially tell us 'that we still cannot talk about it.'" When asked how the MJ-12 material is affected by this, Schmitt states, "It is the reason behind our initial investigation. That if the purpose behind the MJ-12 document was disinformation, it was to strike a death blow to Roswell we had to make a distinction and make it in a hurry." However, although some details about Roswell that have surfaced from this investigation that confirm such a group, there is no firm link to them. Stan Friedman has been encouraged by Don Schmitt to continue seeking the truth about MJ-12. It is noted here that Stan Friedman is conducting a cooperative investigation in light of these new facts about Roswell. There is corroboration between Friedman and CUFOS. According to Schmitt, the focus of their investigation is Roswell and the details behind the crash. It appears that some very interesting things are surfacing on this. According to Jerome Clark, "The Roswell Incident is the most important known UFO event in history. By the time that this investigation is over it will shape our future understanding of the UFO phenomenon. This investigation gets to the very core of all issues." In closing, Clark stated that such questions as "Are UFOs real? Are they physical and intelligently controlled? Are they piloted by Biological Entities that originate outside of this world?" The answers could be a resounding, YES!! The full story will be released in upcoming issues of IUR, the official bi-monthly publication for the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS). For information on getting a subscription of this publication, write to: J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies 2457 West Peterson Avenue Chicago, IL 60659 Subscriptions are $25.00 per year. ParaNet will continue its coverage of this event. ================================================================== 10/89 -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!James.Howard Subject: Limbaugh sighting report Date: 12 Oct 89 04:24:00 GMT Today (Wedesday) on the Rush Limbaugh radio talkshow, Russ reported that 3 airliners and the private jet carrying the Governer of Virgina saw 4 UFOs over Kentucky. Rush got this information from an airline pilot friend. He reported that the pilots involved reported the sighting to the Indianapolis air traffic control center. Rush is active on Compuserve (HeUs in the directory). Any active investigators may want to drop him a note and find out when exactly this happened. The tapes from Indianapolis center could be requested from the FAA under FIOU. Rush reported that the Governer also saw the objects. Rush said he belives his friend saw something, but thinks it is related to Star Wars, and not aliens. -- James Howard - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Howard@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Soviet Sightings Date: 12 Oct 89 12:36:00 GMT -> >with their newfound freedoms, the United States is well -> >aware of self-censorship, yet waived that for this -> >particular story. Interesting... to say the least. The point of the story, from the American press corps' view, was NOT that a UFO landed in Russia, confirmed or not, but that TASS was reporting it openly. The sub-text is, "See the effects of glasnost on what was formerly a tight-lipped propaganda organ of the Politburo." That doesn't require self censorship. That WAS the story. NOW the story is, "See the effect of the story on the American people. They really think aliens landed in Russia!" (See today's New York Times). Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Keenan.Anderson Subject: Soviet Landing Date: 11 Oct 89 19:13:41 GMT The 'landing' the other day is being questioned by just about everybody (including myself) #1: The Tass reporter admitted his sources were 10-13 year old boys. #2: They were in an area where stories of UFOs and psychic phenomenon are as popular as 'The Cosby Show'. #3: The scientist quoted in the first report said he was misquoted and said he is very skeptical of the report. Ladies and gents, don't jump on the 'confirmed landing' bandwagon yet, you might get burned. -- Keenan Anderson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keenan.Anderson@f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f364.n633.z3.FIDONET.ORG!Mike.Paull Subject: Re: Unsolved Mysteries Date: 10 Oct 89 20:31:00 GMT Hi Don, You mean we have to wait a whole year before we get to see that article, gee, the way our local TV stations are going, they'll axe the show before we get to see /the article in question. (Thats a bit of an in house [country] joke, as some of the TV stations here have over extended themselves are are axing programs left,right and centre, although i think we've seen the last of that, at least i hope so !! ) I cannot recall any TV programs that ever really gave a non biased report on UFO's, there's always that feeling in the background that they are taking the mickey (making a joke of) people who believe in such things, therefore making a farce out of anyone who believes in UFO's and UFOLOGY.. Thats why i look forward to seeing the Unsolved Mysteries report, it would be nice to see a serious report with factual information, some of it provided by our very own Paranet, it will be worth the wait. Its nice to chat to someone from America, its nice to know that some of our technologies can be used for good, and the invention of computers , modems and BBSs sure have done that. Can you imagine telling a friend, six or seven years ago, that soon there would be a world wide computeer network where someone in America could send a message to someone in Australia, and have a reply only a few days later, and possibly expect comments from people in Europe,Africa etc..?? They'd call you nuts! Thanx for the info! Mike -- Mike Paull - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mike.Paull@f364.n633.z3.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f364.n633.z3.FIDONET.ORG!Mike.Paull Subject: Soviet TASS Agency Date: 11 Oct 89 23:57:00 GMT While on the way to get a hair cut we had the radio in the car tuned to a state Radio station called 3AW when a most interesting news article came up. It was reported that the Soviet TASS agency had reported a UFO landing in Russia, and the aliens had been seen, by the Russian public.( Presumably these people saw the aliens near there craft ) Are the reporters having a lend of us ? The Australian Correspondant didnt seem to know anything, and when asked if it could be a joke or hoax said that TASS doesnjoke. Has this story been reported elsewhere ?? Mike -- Mike Paull - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mike.Paull@f364.n633.z3.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Don.Sudduth Subject: Re: Soviet Landing Date: 12 Oct 89 23:35:00 GMT Yes! What is a confirmed report anyway?? TASS has always been an arm of the Soviet government in the past. So, it used to be a front and NOT the truth. What makes everyone think that TASS now has reliable accurate reporting???? -- Don Sudduth - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Sudduth@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Don.Sudduth Subject: Re: Soviet Sightings Date: 12 Oct 89 23:37:00 GMT And now the press is reporting an alien landing in the eastern portion of the Soviet Union (as of 10/11/89). At least these reports have generated some interest!!! Has anyone read or heard of confirming reports of the sighting in West Virginia I reported yesterday??? -- Don Sudduth - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Sudduth@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Don.Sudduth Subject: Re: Roswell Update! Date: 12 Oct 89 23:41:00 GMT With the revelations of Bill Moore, will this place more doubt on the Roswell incident???? -- Don Sudduth - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Sudduth@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Jeff.Ballard Subject: Re: Soviet Sightings Date: 13 Oct 89 01:35:00 GMT Just a quick note...the banana-shape quote was an unfortunate choice of words by a credible witness that snowballed into a point of ridicule....anyway, couldn't let that pass......BJB -- Jeff Ballard - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Ballard@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Jeff.Ballard Subject: A Current Affair Soviet UFO Story Date: 13 Oct 89 01:57:00 GMT Just watched the latest issue of "A Current Affair". What an incredible piece of......well....garbage!! The highlight was an interview by an "Alleged Soviet Official". Maury, you have an excellent reason to hide your face, rub your head, and mug for the camera having to front for trash like that "news" piece!! Where are the real journalists, where are the American news correspondents? The excuse of the story being behind the Iron Curtain just doesn't hold the same strength as an excuse not to pursue the facts behind a story as it once did....But then why was this story pumped up so much anyway...the newsrelease from Tass contained much (all?) of the fantastic stuff that the media played up as being additional info as the story unfolded. Was this an effort to broadcast a UFO story that could be systematically taken apart?......More on this topic, later...What's the story on the Oklahoma sightings tonight???? I suppose there will be very little news coverage since their "quotas" were probably filled with the Soviet story.........BJB -- Jeff Ballard - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Ballard@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,nbires,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,nbires,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************************************************************************** End of Info-ParaNet Newsletter ********************************************************************************