Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 62 Sunday, October 15th 1989 Today's Topics: Re: A Melbourne Sighting Birmingham Abduction Story General MacArthur The Soviet Media Re: Unsolved Mysteries Re: General Macarthur Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Re: Larry King Soviets and MJ-12 Re: Larry King Re: Another UFO sighting Re: Soviet Landing Larry King Live Soviet Landing 3-19disc.txt file Re: Larry King Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f401.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frank.Scott Subject: Re: A Melbourne Sighting Date: 14 Oct 89 07:28:00 GMT // physical evidence, a burnt patch of grass, which the burnt grass has been reported by GTV 9 as having a distinct Kerosine smell about it. The object was also sighted in Frankston. A spokesperson (female) from a ufo group (un-named) appeared also. The report was on coast to coast. frank -- Frank Scott - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Frank.Scott@f401.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Birmingham Abduction Story Date: 14 Oct 89 05:11:00 GMT > Hello Mike, > I uploaded a transcription of the B'ham News story that ran > on 10/10. > This is the first time I've used the editor and terminal > software used to do this upload...Let me know if it got > there O.K.....O.K.?? I will check the upload and let you know. Thanks for the effort! Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: General MacArthur Date: 14 Oct 89 05:54:00 GMT As you know, last evening, Don Ecker appeared on the Larry King Show on CNN. Toward the end of the broadcast, Don mentioned that MacArthur had addressed the 1962 graduating class at West Point. Pat Buchanan was shocked at this revelation and stated in so many words that this could not be true. He stated that he has MacArthur's speech on his wall. >From Maj. Donald Keyhoe's book, Aliens from Space, Keyhoe quotes MacArthur during this address to the West Point graduates. Below is the excerpt from his book: Two years later, Gen. Douglas MacArthur told the West Point graduating class that nations of the Earth would some day have to be united against attacks by people from other planets. "We speak," he said, "of ultimate conflict between the united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy." Because of his rank and great military experience, this warning was broadcast by many stations. Aliens From Space (C)1973 by Donald E. Keyhoe Now, one wonders why this quote was made in the first place. What could have driven MacArthur to make such a statement? Secondly, something that I noticed a while back. When the program UFO Cover-Up? Live was broadcast, I noticed at the very beginning of the show that there were various quotes from people such as Jimmy Carter, etc., relating their UFO experiences. For some reason, when the MacArthur quote showed up on the screen, it was so brief that it was not even discernable. Using my VCR and the freeze frame, I determined that this quote was used, but, for some reason, was aborted so the viewing audience would not see it. This could have been purely a technical problem, or it could have been some other reason, of which I do not readily know. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Linda.Murphy Subject: The Soviet Media Date: 14 Oct 89 06:49:20 GMT > I once remembered reading that during an earthquake people often > experience illusionary images. This is posible cause through fear of > the unknown. I would therefore put it to you that this could be the > case in the current soviet sighting. THe engima of earthquakes and illusionary images has been studied by Canadian researcher, Persinger. The phenomenon was also well noted by UFOlogists and "Prophets" back in the 50's. ( 1:304/1) -- Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Charles.Mcelhinney Subject: Re: Unsolved Mysteries Date: 13 Oct 89 21:08:52 GMT I did see the Unsolved Mysteries report. It wasn't bad. I think it didn't take an un biased stand on the whole thing. I think that the report went against the government. That was what it talked about. How the coverup occured. Well, talk to you later! -- Charles Mcelhinney - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Charles.Mcelhinney@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: General Macarthur Date: 14 Oct 89 15:51:00 GMT Hi Mike! Well, MacArthur was my great-uncle! So let me see about scaring up the text of his speech. He was always rather a mystic, you know. Buthe was certainly practical enough to recognise a threat -- be it conventional or extraterrestial. But one thing puzzles me: **IF** MJ-12 or whatever is real (and that looks like a very big "if" from what I read about Moore & Co.), Great-uncle Doug would have been about the last person Truman would have trusted with the news. Unless he was in MJ-12, of course, as Supreme Commander -- before Truman fired him. Let me see what I can turn up. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: postmaster Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Date: 14 Oct 89 19:12:52 GMT >From: keith@raptor.cray.com (Keith A. Fredericks) In the Summer 1989 issue of Robert Anton Wilson's Trajectories Newsletter it is reported that Dr. Michael Persinger has a device which can induce the UFO abduction experience. I thought that this was particularly interesting in light of some of the ideas mentioned by Whitley Strieber. If the UFO abduction experience can actually be induced in this way, then we might think that the phenomena are induced by electromagnetic effects. Can biological entities as well as machines modulate/control these electromagnetic effects? It is also interesting that we apparently cannot distinguish between what is <> and what is happening in a dream state. The whole thing reminds me of the series of books by Carlos Casteneda where the goal of the impeccable warrior is to become familiar with and to remember what has occurred in the <> An exerpt from the article follows. -keith New HEAD Hardware The Persinger Helmet: Dr. Michael Persinger has been making news again. To test his hypothesis that electromagnetic waves can create UFO experiences and other <> perceptions, Dr. Persinger (Laurentian University, Ontario) has designed the most awesome brain machine to appear thusfar. The Persinger <> (as it has been dubbed) sends specific frequencies into the hippocampus area of the back brain and a large percentage of subjects report UFO abduction experiences, <> and a wide range of Altered States of Consciousness, including <> None of the HEAD machines previously reported in Trajectories produce so many mystic states -- or so many hallucinations. The helmet experience, Dr. Persinger says, <> and hallucinations are <> Dr. Persinger does not intend to allow this device to be marketed for recreational uses or experiments by the untrained and unprofessional. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: postmaster Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Date: 14 Oct 89 19:13:33 GMT >From: keithr@tolkien.wv.tek.com I saw last night (10-12-89) the last 20 minutes of an (I assume) half-hour segment on the Larry King Show on CNN on UFOs occasioned by the Soviet Tass report. Pat Buchanan, the politically conservative commentator sometimes seen on CNN's Crossfire, sat in for Larry King. The pro guest was Don Ecker, who has written an article or two for the newsstand UFO magazine and is a field investigator for MUFON. The con guest was a mainstream journalist, Peter Adams (?), who seemed to have special knowledge of Soviet journalism. Here are some impressions from memory: Don said he thought a CNN reporter had gotten through to some Soviet investigator/official (?) who said that there had been 1500 -- my memory must be wrong (!), I'll check my video recording -- UFO sightings in the area in the last few years. Don stressed this was unconfirmed. Toward the end, Don brought up Gen. MacArthur's last speech in 1962 to a military academy to the effect that our next war will be with the aliens. An incredulous Buchanan said he had that speech on his wall and there weren't any aliens mentioned in it! Don said he had the text of the speech right there in the studio. At a boy, Don! Peter Adams said the important thing about the Soviet story is what it shows about folklore and the stories people believe in and, as Jim Speiser pointed out, that Tass reported it (initially anyway) as straightforward news. This kind of story was completely out of character for Tass. Peter then started talking about "pseudoscience". I certainly didn't get the idea from Peter that he would ever entertain the notion for one instant that the story may be more or less factually true. Don chided Peter, after Peter brought up ETs and flying saucers, that he (Don) never mentioned either of these to that time. I thought he scored one here. Peter was apparently quite ignorant of the UFO literature. Somewhere around here Don made the plea for an open, honest congressional investigation leading to a scientific study of the UFO. About three phone calls were taken. One ancient sounding man said that he saw something while he was a custodian (?) at Wright-Patterson that convinced him there really were saucers. Buchanan and Adams just laughed. Another caller wondered if the government didn't tell us the (ET) truth about UFOs because of fear of causing public panic. Don tried to comment on this by bringing up the Orson Wells War of the Worlds radio broadcast that did cause public panic, but was cut off to go to a commercial, I think. Seeing this kind of give and take in such a short time period makes me wonder how even the more mundane UFO facts will ever get undistorted dissemination. The UFO is so complex and has such a long history that I really despair, sometimes. To me, the treatment that this story gets in the mainstream press is the real story here. Like Strieber's Communion, which was promoted as a factual account of one person's encounters with ETs, this story should provoke some analysis in the mainstream press about how to report fact and "fiction". Strieber's book caused an article in Publisher's Weekly to be written about when is "fact", fact? (I still haven't made time to look it up -- one of those hundred things :-( to do.) Last year in the Columbia Journalism Review, William Boot published an article about investigating and reporting UFOs in the press. He said the press should be cautious about reporting negative opinions about UFOs before really doing any real investigation. I wrote Boot a letter praising him for his opinion. (He hasn't replied -- yet. :-)) At least, some of the press is slowly waking up to their responsibilities, but it is painfully slow. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Larry King Date: 14 Oct 89 22:27:00 GMT Don: Let me add my voice to the congratulations. Well done, my boy! I was a bit worried about the MacArthur quote, as I thought it was perhaps made during a different address, perhaps one to Congress, but Mike has dug it up in Keyhoe. It would be good to know if CNN has gotten any feedback since the show aired. Any way of finding out? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Greg.Sandow Subject: Soviets and MJ-12 Date: 15 Oct 89 03:16:00 GMT No, not a link between the Soviets and MJ-12. Now THAT would be a story! Just remarks on topics flying by in these messages. The Soviet sighting: sounds more and more absurd to me, the best part so far being the report that the entities had three eyes! One independent TV channel in Los Angeles ran the story with lovely fanciful drawings of the three-eyed entities, and also a brief interview with a VERY skeptical and reticent TASS reporter in Washington. Another lovely fragment of the story not yet on our messages here: that the aliens had a tube-like device (well, we've heard of that one before) that made one of the children invisible, and then visible again! Finally -- just to add to all the lovely, loony details -- the UFO Contact Hotline (a 976 phone number here in L.A.) is reporting that the UFO seen in Voronezh carried the UMMO symbol!!! The folklore side of this is getting out of hand. And now for MJ-12. However messed up Moore might be, whatever kind of disinformation/lie/hoax MJ-12 might turn out to be . . . if an alien craft did crash at Roswell, then sure as hell SOMETHING like MJ-12 exists somewhere in the government. Because they'd HAVE to study the craft and occupants: they'd have to make that one of the most serious concerns they had. And, doubtless, one of the most secret. This point has been made here before, but seems important to make again. Doesn't matter if MJ-12 is fake: if Roswell happened as set forth in Corbin's memo, then high-level, secret government UFO study is for sure happening. -- Greg Sandow - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Greg.Sandow@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Don.Ecker Subject: Re: Larry King Date: 15 Oct 89 07:01:00 GMT Jim: Thank you for the congrats. I have their number and several contacts I can call to check if there is any interest out there. I just spoke to Len Stringfield prior to the telecast, and Len made an interesting observation. He said that the present events have an uncanny resemblence to October, 1973. What do you think? Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner Subject: Re: Another UFO sighting Date: 14 Oct 89 03:38:00 GMT Well, the Daily Disappointment here in Oklahoma City did a banner headline about "strange lights in the skies" over the southeast part of the state last night (10/12/89 pm) so somebodys doin' sumpin'. & like jumping on the bandwagon, argh! The silly season is upon us! -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Keenan.Anderson Subject: Re: Soviet Landing Date: 15 Oct 89 00:08:38 GMT I saw today that (finally) an investigative team is looking into the Soviet Landing...but the parents of the witnesses won't let them even SEE the investigators!! -- Keenan Anderson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keenan.Anderson@f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Keenan.Anderson Subject: Larry King Live Date: 13 Oct 89 22:04:47 GMT Good job on Larry King! You're luck Buchanan was hosting because King would have laughed you off the air (as he does with most UFOlogists). And why did they pick your 'opponent' for the show. He has no expertise in either UFOs OR the Soviet press. He left from his visit BEFORE the incident with the 'landing' occured. -- Keenan Anderson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keenan.Anderson@f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jon.Long Subject: Soviet Landing Date: 13 Oct 89 22:36:58 GMT I got ta thinking sorta, and somebody correct me if I am way off base here, but WHY would the entire Soviet TASS agency go to such extremes to announce and promote such a story IF it wasnt true? I mean, I would think that they would loose all their credibility if it is proven a hoax, then how could they ever expect to be trusted for new reporting in the Soviet Union or elsewhere in the world? It would seem to me that they would make damn sure it was a verified case before releasing it to the WHOLE DAMN WORLD!!! Otherwise they would simply be laughed off the face of the Earth! Just my thoughts on the subject, but it is most defientely causing one hell of stir! I believe that this will change how people look on the subject permantely, also of interest in todays local paper, there is a report with the headline of "UFO DOUBTERS IN IOWA SEE THE LIGHT" and it has a report of UFO's seen over the central-southern area of the state in or nearby a small town, and was reported by a woman who had a friend also with her who witnessed the event, I will type the report up if there is any interest and upload it. -Jon L. -- Jon Long - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jon.Long@f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Ely.Silk Subject: 3-19disc.txt file Date: 15 Oct 89 16:10:00 GMT Was there any follow-up to the supposed orbiter transmission discussed in the specified file? -- Ely Silk - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ely.Silk@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Don.Ecker Subject: Re: Larry King Live Date: 15 Oct 89 19:02:00 GMT Keenan: Thanks, maybe, and who knows? 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