Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 63 Wednesday, October 18th 1989 Today's Topics: Re: Soviets and MJ-12 Re: Soviet Landing Re: Larry King Re: Soviet Landing Re: General Macarthur 3-19disc.txt File New Nodes Re: Dearing Predictions Re: Soviet Landing Roswell Congrats to Don Ecker; What's latest on Cooper? Re: Soviet Sightings UFO REPORT MIAMI, OK RUMORS AND DISINFORMATION Re: Roswell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Soviets and MJ-12 Date: 16 Oct 89 04:21:00 GMT -> >This point has been made here before, but seems important -> >to make again. Doesn't matter if MJ-12 is fake: if Roswell -> >happened as set forth in Corbin's memo, then high-level, -> >secret government UFO study is for sure happening. Greg: Like I've been saying....everyone's watching the "birdies." Watch the cat. Forget MJ-12, stick with Roswell. Prove Roswell, and MJ-12 (or whatever its called) will fall into place. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Soviet Landing Date: 16 Oct 89 04:25:00 GMT -> >story IF it wasnt true? I mean, I would think that they -> >would loose all their credibility if it is proven a hoax, -> >then how could they ever expect to be trusted for new What "credibility" has TASS -EVER- had, Jon? They were, and to a large extent still are, a propaganda organ for the sworn enemy of the United States. How quickly we forget.... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Keenan.Anderson Subject: Re: Larry King Date: 15 Oct 89 22:13:15 GMT Excellent point...I'm tired of people saying there's nothing to it when the information they have is Pre-Bluebook! I have a few friends who think I'm crazy for being interested in the phenomena, but when I whip out various books and documents, they all have the same reaction...weird look on their face and then they say 'Ohh, that's interesting...' -- Keenan Anderson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keenan.Anderson@f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jon.Long Subject: Re: Soviet Landing Date: 15 Oct 89 19:30:51 GMT Thats a new one ta me, sounds interesting, I'll have to catch the news and see what else is new..My brother told me yesterday that a sighting in I believe CenterVille, Iowa(big town eh?) made it to CNN??? I didnt get the details, but I think I'll check it out... -Jon L. -- Jon Long - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jon.Long@f319.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Re: General Macarthur Date: 15 Oct 89 23:16:00 GMT Clark, > Hi Mike! Well, MacArthur was my great-uncle! So let me > see about scaring up the text of his speech. He was always > rather a mystic, you know. Buthe was certainly practical > enough to recognise a threat -- be it conventional or > extraterrestial. Very interesting. That is great. I heard from someone, can't at the moment remember who, that Stringfield had heard that MacArthur had made a trip to Mexico to supervise and observe a crashed UFO. Upon the inspection, he observed alien bodies and human body parts. This is contributory to why he made that statement. Again, this is only unverified speculation. Let me know what you come up with and I will also keep you posted. I am contacting Len to see what I can find out. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: 3-19disc.txt File Date: 17 Oct 89 01:16:00 GMT > Was there any follow-up to the supposed orbiter > transmission discussed in the specified file? The story eventually went dead. The last time I had contact with Dr. Maccabee on what the results were on the voice analysis was that the tests were inconclusive. Maccabee stated that there was not enough of the voice to study and positively identify as one of the crewpersons onboard Discovery. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: New Nodes Date: 17 Oct 89 01:22:00 GMT On behalf of the ParaNet family, I wish to extend a warm welcome to two new nodes. They are: ParaNet Omega-Kappa Robert Jones Blacktown, New South Wales ParaNet Omega-Lambda Jodi Jackson Redfern, New South Wales Welcome! Michael Corbin Administrator -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Richard.Slover Subject: Re: Dearing Predictions Date: 17 Oct 89 05:34:00 GMT Jeff, I haven't heard aything else about any other sightings in this area, although I have been watching for anything in the papers, news, etc. I do think though, that there was some activity in Middle Tennessee around the time of their predictions, but that's not in the area they were talking about! Will keep up with them, since I have some friends who live in the Nashville area that are interested in this stuff. See you. -- Richard Slover - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Richard.Slover@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jon.Long Subject: Re: Soviet Landing Date: 16 Oct 89 23:16:50 GMT Yes Jim now that I have thought about it summore and seen what has been going on with it, I am no longer convinced(not that i ever REALLY was)..Regardless though, it certainly has stirred up plenty of coverage of UFO's in the states now, sumthing that is both beneficial and detremental... -Jon L. -- Jon Long - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jon.Long@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jon.Long Subject: Roswell Date: 16 Oct 89 23:18:29 GMT I just had a talk with a good friend of mine who is as interested in the UFO/Alien phenomena as I am, and he recently talked with a woman who was involved in military operations near Roswell, stationed at a military base nearby, she revelaed to him, that she was immediately after the crash, assigned to patrol the desert carrying automatic weapons for a period of several days after the crash, she claims they were worried of possible survivors of the crash and was told to shoot first and ask questions later.. She of course was later told by the military to keep totally quiet and never tell a soul...Well, she did and she is worried now..I hope to have a talk with her soon, but she does not want to talk very openly about the subject seein as she was threatened quite severely.. I am hoping as I said to contact her soon and will provide any other info I can get, but obviously, the military was very worried that there might still be something out there that could be dangerous, hence shoot first ask questions later.. -Jon L. -- Jon Long - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jon.Long@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: postmaster Subject: Congrats to Don Ecker; What's latest on Cooper? Date: 17 Oct 89 22:20:40 GMT >From: keithr@tolkien.wv.tek.com I forgot to say in my posting, Don, that I really appreciate you having the courage to appear before a national audience and tell the pro-UFO side of the story. Keep up the good work, and I hope you will have more opportunities in the future. Don, I wonder if you would have the time to give the rest of us a feel for what went on behind the scenes -- how you got approached to do the show, how you prepared for it, what happened off camera, whether Adams, Buchanan, etc., took you seriously even for an instant, etc. Don, I am happy to see pro-UFO spokesmen and women come forward. As I told Jim Speiser a year or more ago, sometimes I think all UFO researchers and investigators should stop researching and investigating for a whole year and start full time public relations for the UFO. We can only do so much with ad hoc, underfunded research and investigation. Look how long it has taken ufology to understand what it has, an understanding that the US government has probably had since the late 1950s or even earlier, perhaps. One wonders how long ago Thomas Bullard's excellent study of UFO abductions was done in secret by the US government. I need some feedback on the latest opinions about the accuracy and reliability of William Cooper's UFO information. My local UFO study group has been contacted by Aileen Edwards' abductee support group organization about an offer by William Cooper to give a talk, but only if Edwards' group can guarantee around $2000 for Cooper ($20 a head). Is Cooper running around spreading his information to other UFO groups around the nation? Do MUFON speakers receive gratuities for speaking? I have some of the Cooper material from ParaNet, and I heard Cooper (and Lear and English) speak at the recent MUFON Conference in Las Vegas. Has ANY of Cooper's information been substantiated from completely independent sources?! If his stuff is US intelligence establishment disinformation, we would expect his information to be a mixture of fact and fiction, right? On the other hand, if he is playing games on his own, then perhaps less of his material could be corroborated, right? I am concerned, of course, with people shelling out good money for bad information, and I am also concerned that people will incorporate fantastic information like Cooper's too easily into their understanding of the UFO situation. What do you think? Please email me if you don't want to post to the mailing list. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Soviet Sightings Date: 17 Oct 89 15:15:00 GMT > But then there > was the bit about the "banana-shaped" UFO....sounded a bit > like Fyffe, AL, Was that because they actually saw it or because they had heard it somewhere ? ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: UFO REPORT MIAMI, OK Date: 17 Oct 89 16:54:00 GMT ******************************** UFO SIGHTING NEAR MIAMI, OK ******************************** It was October 10th, approximately 8:15 to 8:30 in the evening, when a lady we will refer to as Violet, a retired healthcare administrator, was coming from Garnet, Kansas heading south bound on hwy 59 towards Parsons, Kansas. She looked up at a right angle and saw glowing objects that looked like upside down cereal bowls. It seemed that the glow was coming from below like stage lights like found on the foot of a stage. The top of the objects looked a goldish color, the middle was a greenish blue, then a reddish color on the bottom. She exclaimed, "What am I seeing ?" She could see the object clear now. There was a white ball shapped light that appeard to the left of it that she described as the shape of a basketball, it glowed real white, then to the left of that object there was a streak. It all turned off as if someone turned off a light switch in a home. Then a little higher she saw the same sort of object with glowing lights. It was just a deck higher as if there where four stacked on top of each other. Then it all went dark like someone had switched off the lights.... Brian Scamardo Paranet TAU ====================== I talked with an officer in Miami, OK who stated there have been a number of UFO sightings in that area. Just last night he reported there were three witnesses to a UFO sighting in that area, two police officers and a woman reported seeing an object rise up into the air and pass over the town of Miami, OK. They described the object as having three white lights in front positioned like a triangle and a red light in the back. They said the object was about 4 box cars long and the bottom reminded them of the bottom of a boat. They said when it started to move they thought they heard a sound that might have been an engine but then it went silent and passed directly over the town of Miami. The officer said the people are definitely seeing something in the sky in that area but he believed it may be military in origin. He said they had contacted the military and had asked them if they had any operations going in that area at this time, the response was that they did not. He stated that he had been in the military and was aware that if they did have a special project going on they would deny it. Still working on the case here at ParaNet TAU. ...Bryon ======================= -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: RUMORS AND DISINFORMATION Date: 17 Oct 89 19:45:00 GMT DEAR MS VICKI, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT RUMORS OR DISINFORMATION, BUT I DO KNOW ONE THING FOR SURE. ALIENS COME IN TWO FORMS LITTLE PEOPLE WITH BIG HEADS AND BIG PEOPLE WITH LITTLE HEADS, HOWEVER EARTHLINGS COME IN ONLY ONE FORM, LITTLE PEOPLE WITH BIG MOUTHS!. DON'T FUME, THIS IS ONLY TO EXPLAIN ALL THE LOOSE LIPS. AS TO "YOUR THE GUY" THANKS I NEEDED THAT. NOW LET'S SEE TEXAS AND NEW MEXICO HAVE A FEW POSSIBILITIES. DIS IS INFORMATION -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Ely.Silk Subject: Re: Roswell Date: 18 Oct 89 02:03:00 GMT I am sure that we're all interested in your follow-up. I am particularly interested in the Roswell Incident. If there is anything we (forum participants) can do to help, just say the word. Regards, Ely -- Ely Silk - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ely.Silk@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,nbires,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,nbires,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************************************************************************** End of Info-ParaNet Newsletter ********************************************************************************