Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 77 Thursday, November 9th 1989 Today's Topics: Dr. J. Manson Valentine The Oz Factor Ms. Stein et al Re: The Oz Factor Re: Miami Meeting Re: Miami Meeting Project Blue Book - aka a govt coverup Brain Damage Re: Project Blue Book - Aka A Govt Coverup Re: Miami Meeting Bill Cooper's lecture in L.A. Re: Project Blue Book - aka a govt coverup Radar Re: The Oz Factor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Ely.Silk Subject: Dr. J. Manson Valentine Date: 7 Nov 89 02:06:00 GMT I did try to get Dr. Valentine's number from Dade Directory Assistance. Alas, I settled for "no listing" from the operator. I will track down his phone number. I may be meeting with someone shortly who knows (or knew) Dr. Valentine. If this meeting pans out, I just may have something interesting to report in a few weeks. If the visit falls through...well, forget I said anything! -- Ely Silk - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ely.Silk@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: The Oz Factor Date: 7 Nov 89 03:15:00 GMT I am curious to know if anyone knows what the theory "The Oz Factor" is all about? I have a very limited understanding of it, but I know it involves sighting witnesses prior to actually seeing a UFO. Anyone with information? Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f110.n108.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Doug.Rogers Subject: Ms. Stein et al Date: 7 Nov 89 04:36:35 GMT I believe that all viewpoints have been heard ref the discussion of how illiterate we at Paranet really are. I strongly suggest that all parties to this thread drop it *NOW*. Since all viewpoints have been aired, further discussion can only deteriorate into flames as the warring camps defend their stances. For the sake of friendship, the net, and the phone bills of all involved, LET'S DROP THIS THREAD. I believe we have more important issues to discuss than spelling et al. Let's get on with them. Doug Rogers Echo Moderator -- Doug Rogers - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Doug.Rogers@f110.n108.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: The Oz Factor Date: 7 Nov 89 06:15:00 GMT >I am curious to know if anyone knows what the theory "The >Oz Factor" is all about? I have a very limited Jenny Randles makes mention of it in her latest book. It seems to relate to a sort of "otherworldly feeling" that accompanies many abduction experiences. Randles is the only author I have seen make mention of it as a clearly defined element of the abduction process. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Marc.Dantonio Subject: Re: Miami Meeting Date: 7 Nov 89 15:39:00 GMT Ok on the pulsars and what not, this should clear ALL the misconceptions up! A Pulsar is the remnant of a star that exploded in what is known as a supernova explosion. The result is a rapidly spinning core with HOT SPOTS on it. These hot spots are like lighthouse beacons and can be seen with a variety of telescope types. As a pulsar spins a hot spot toward us, we record a sudden rise and drop of energy at radio/visual wavelengths. The crab pulsar is a famous pulsar. contrary to popular belief, pulsars are NOT at the edge of the known Universe, as that location is reserved for QUASARS or Quasi-Stellar-Objects, where the name comes from. Quasars are intense radio sources whereas Pulsars are known to emit high energy X-rays at the other end of the spectrum in a sense. Pulsars are the most rapidly spinning objects for their size. For example, a typical pulsar size might be the size of the Moon or the Earth. Some of these have been observed to rotate over 650 times a second!!!! Can you picture the immense gravitational field that must hold such a body together under such stress? It is also known that these compact stellar cores are slowly losing momentum, and slowing down. Such a rate is a good clue to the AGE of the Pulsar and thus the supernova explosion itself. On that size of the Pulsars, I gave you the wrong size there! I dont know what I was thinking , but pulsars are more like the size of the US and maybe several larger states! I was thinking white dwarf and neutron stars! -- Marc Dantonio - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Marc.Dantonio@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Torson Subject: Re: Miami Meeting Date: 8 Nov 89 01:27:00 GMT You are quite correct in saying that people in Miami were not seeing flashes of light from a pulsar. We need to be careful that explanations for identified UFOs (IFOs) are scientifically correct. Astronomers have a technical term for the twinkling of the stars: scintillation. An astronomy prof that I once had jokingly said, "We never say things simply. Stars don't twinkle, they scintillate!" At times the effect can be quite spectacular. I vividly recall one night when I was working late at the site of the Very Large Array radio telescope in New Mexico. The air was cool and very clear and dark. Sirius was low in the sky and I stood in awe for several minutes watching the brilliant flashes of color from it. I think you are confusing pulsars and quasars. Quasars are the things that seem to be very far away near the edge of the observable universe. Pulsars are observed within our own galaxy. One of the most famous is the pulsar at the center of the Crab Nebula. BTW, some pulsars are known to emit pulses at various wavelengths in addition to radio wavelengths. However, this can't be seen with the unaided eye. It was a big accomplishment when astronomers verified optical pulses from the Crab pulsar. -- Jim Torson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Torson@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG!James.Nannemann Subject: Project Blue Book - aka a govt coverup Date: 7 Nov 89 21:38:52 GMT I dont know about the rest of you, but since I used to work in a highly classified area of the military, I know that the government, (and it doesnt matter which country either), doesnt want it's citizenry to know about anything that the government thinks that they can get a handle on to give themselves more power over it's populace. This holds true for the Project Blue Book also. PBB was just so much pablum for the public to shut the civilians up about anything relating to UFO's or anything else that is classed as paranormal. They have whole crews of personell that do nothing but put out propaganda to debunk anything that the government feels that they cannot control. Incidently, I'm new to the Paranet, and I'd like to say that I like what I see in here! In fact, I'm opening up a section on my own BBS for the users to discuss such things at will. If anyone is interested, it runs only at 300 bps, so long distance callers probably wouldnt like it too much, but in case anyone is, the number is (319) 365 6225. But now back to the other things. A good example of what I was referring to is when we would come back from an "assignment", we would be brought to a debriefing room, and told that we were not where we thought we had been, and had not been doing what we thought we had been doing, but were "actually" at such and such a place doing something else entirely. The government is quite expert at dis-information. And that applies to ANY government. (Discussion?) Wolfgang (James Nannemann) -- James Nannemann - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Nannemann@f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: taos!uucp Subject: Brain Damage Date: 7 Nov 89 15:47:07 GMT + I have a $50,000 bounty waiting for the first person to +bring me an alien anus, or any other part proven to be from +an alien body. $250,000 for an alien head. The award for a +whole alien body, dead or alive will be $1,000,000 + It's time to turn this thing around. Let's stop being +wimps and react like pioneer Americans would have to a Upon further examination, we find that the poster of this article is expressing a very wimpy attitude indeed. Why wait for them to come here? Why settle for just a few alien remains? We know everything there is to know about physics (or at least everything important). Let's just find their planet or dimension or whatever and blow them all to kingdom come. BTW, don't believe this guy when he offers money. I happen to know that he is already in debt after getting a FORD pickup w/gunrack, an NRA membership, and an AK-47. -keith@cray.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Greg.Sandow Subject: Re: Project Blue Book - Aka A Govt Coverup Date: 8 Nov 89 19:55:00 GMT We hear lots about govt. disinformation, but it's always good to have confirmation from someone inside! -- Greg Sandow - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Greg.Sandow@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Miami Meeting Date: 8 Nov 89 19:10:00 GMT Thanks for the astronomy lesson. I took one astronomy course back in 1975 at American University. I got a D. My instructor was Richard Berendzen, the same Richard Berendzen who will be giving the keynote address at the next CSICOP Conference. No wonder he gave me a D! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Greg.Sandow Subject: Bill Cooper's lecture in L.A. Date: 8 Nov 89 21:11:00 GMT I heard Bill Cooper speak to an audience of about 1000 people this past Sunday in Los Angeles. I'll upload a more detailed report later, but essentially he wasn't there to talk about UFOs. Instead he wanted to warn us about a secret world government he thinks was created in response to the danger of alien invasion. This secret world government has bases on the moon and Mars, has established daycare centers as a plot against the American family, and, as further attacks on traditional American freedoms, fosters such horrors as gun control and random police searches for drunk drivers. And -- just in case all that doesn't sound bad enough -- Biblical prophesies of coming disasters all will come true, just as all Biblical prophecies have always come true. The true mission of the recently launched Project Galileo is to drop 50 pounds of plutonium into Jupiter's atmosphere, thus turning the planet into a new star, which the secret world government plans to call . . . Lucifer! A good part of the crowd gasped at that, just as they'd cheered Cooper's attacks on gun control. Others heckled him for not talking more about UFOs. The UFO stuff in his talk was mostly familiar: see the various Cooper files here on Paranet. Though there were a few new assertions, or at least assertions new to me. Abductees, Cooper said, are given one of three kinds of implants: the traditional sphere up the nose, something under the base of the skull, or something placed behind the right ear, with visible under-the-skin wiring running up the skull to somewhere else. If you have this last implant, he warned, don't go near a military base: guards have orders to shoot you on sight! Cooper also had tapes meant to corroborate his UFO data. One was a phone conversation with someone who -- working as a Navy radioman during the Appolo-Soyuz space mission -- said he'd monitored highly secret radio transmissions headed "Majority Advisory," in which there were repeated references to "IAC"'s. And the second was a tape of what Cooper said were radio transmissions from the Discovery shuttle flight, on which a voice could be heard through thick static saying: "Houston, this is Discovery. We still have the alien spacecraft under surveillance." Much of this -- above all the non-UFO allegations -- seems to be near-nutcake stuff. And in my fuller report I'll decribe the little I discerned about the shadowy (but apparently inept) organization that appears to be growing up around Cooper. But one thing did impress me. When Cooper talked about aliens and UFOS, he was almost painfully careful to state the limits of what he says he knows. Asked, for instance, if any of the four alien races supposed to be on earth were friendly, Cooper said that he, too, had heard this said, but that none of the documents he allegedly saw during his years in Navy intelligence had any information about it. But when he talked about politics, he seemed ready to assert almost anything at all. Which might suggest, as one *possible* hypothesis, that he really does have authentic UFO information. But -- as an old-fashioned, churchgoing, and above all patriotic American -- he was so severely disturbed by his experience of government deceit that now, with no evidence at all, he sees conspiracies everywhere. -- Greg Sandow - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Greg.Sandow@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Project Blue Book - aka a govt coverup Date: 9 Nov 89 05:38:00 GMT While I'm not involved in anything secret, I do work for the gvt and there is no question that there is a mentality of not telling the public anything you don't have to unless you just happen to feel like telling. Even the most innoccuous stuff can be treated like it would be a disaster if it were made available to the public. The basic attitude is that the less anyone outside knows then the less they can attack you for. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Radar Date: 8 Nov 89 15:18:00 GMT Recently I talked with a fellow who works for the Navy who told me of an F-14 fighter that had some abnormal problems with the radar. He told me this fighter was picking up and tracking objects that appeard to be solid obects moving through the sky, the catch to it was that no one else was able to pickup those same objects. None of the other jets in flight with this F-14 were able to see those same objects, and another catch was those objects were moving at speeds around M5. The Pilots of that plane said they had never seen anything like it, those blips on the radar acted like solid targets and not like a glitch on the radar. A great deal of effort was put into the system in order to figure it out and a number of components were changed out but still the "blips" appeard on the radar screen. They sent the jet off to another military location and had some other experts work on it and when it came back it no longer picked up those extra blips. Could it be that this radar system either had been accidently equipped with a system that was able to track UAOs ? Something the government (heads) know about and are able to track using special equipment attached to their radars ? Could it be a flaw in the radar that allowed it to pickup objects that had radar invisibility to normal radar systems ? I also heard the Austrailians have developed a new radar system that is able to detect stealth fighters as easly as it does any other fighter. If this is true then stealth is obsolete before it gets in the air. Why spend billions on it when it has no advantage. Anyone out there have any ideas that might explane or answer any of this ? ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner Subject: Re: The Oz Factor Date: 9 Nov 89 06:02:00 GMT Your reference to an Oz factor reminds me of an experience or two of mine. I sometimes get a feeling of detachment/deja vu before an event such as a sighting or OBE. I remember more vividly when detached like that but souldn't prove anything by it. Fummy to hear it happens to others, does anybody else have some observation to add? -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,nbires,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,nbires,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************************************************************************** End of Info-ParaNet Newsletter ********************************************************************************