Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 80 Tuesday, November 14th 1989 Today's Topics: Re: Radar Re: Cooper in L.A. New Node Re: Radar Re: Predictions Area 51: The Nevada Test Site's Supersecret UFO Base? Paranet Alpha's Survey Questionnaire Pu/Wolf 424 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Radar Date: 13 Nov 89 15:27:00 GMT > Yesterday, the news was filled with thoughts on the > Soviets using Lasars on US pilots. I have some UPI news on that, but had not had the chance to read it yet, hope to do that this morning. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Cooper in L.A. Date: 13 Nov 89 20:14:00 GMT I dont know that we should dismiss the *possibility* but I don't think "we" did dismiss it. Bill Cooper was listened to for quite some time by quite a few people to see if what he was saying seemed to have any merit. Most of the people who weighed the evidence he "presented" have not been too impressed. To me, he presents the M.O. of the classic con artist. No matter how many things you catch him in he always has an excuse. When you find his story is full of holes he says he put them there on purpose to "test" you. How much additional time should be wasted on someone like that. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: New Node Date: 13 Nov 89 23:14:00 GMT A warm welcome to the newest member of the ParaNet family. ParaNet OMEGA-NU Lincoln Broomhall Ferntree, Gully, Australia On behalf of the group, WELCOME! Please leave a message to introduce yourself. Michael Corbin Administrator -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Radar Date: 13 Nov 89 23:41:00 GMT Well, it shouldn't be too hard to create radar to detect the Stealth bomber because the aircraft's skin is multilayered to absorb radar signals of only one frequency. Change the band of the radar, and the Stealth will cease trapping the radar signals and bounce them off instead. My understanding is that the great expense of the airplane was due entirely to the fact that its skin was made of these multiple layers -- each only a few thousands of an inch thick -- and the whole job was done more or less by hand. This info is publically available, by the way. So, unless the researchers & engineers have found a way around it -- e.g., a way to absorb *all* signals in several broad bands -- the Stealth will stick out like a sore thumb as soon as the Russians install radar installations of radically different frequencies. If they haven't already. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Predictions Date: 13 Nov 89 22:05:00 GMT > of fact,if anyone here is familiar with the Book of > Enoch,or the ten thousands of books on this subject of ET's > you reach the conclusion that there's *something* > and *some* reason why the military isn't opening up.. Considering the Book(s) and records which appear to indicate that "ETs" have been on this earth for a very long time, I must say this subject has been an intrest of mine for quite some time. I figured this discussion should be moved into the UFO message area, or even perhaps the ParaNet General message area depending on what the moderator thinks. I am interested in sharing notes with you on this subject and yes I do have the Books of Enoch and have read the references (or at least some of them) that you were refering to. I would like to discuss points concerning beliefs in such things, and the different ways people preceive them. While some believe these "ETs" to be either "all good" or "all evil" and other say they are some of each, and others believe them to be none of the above but rather generated from our own collective subconscious. It appears that some who have had good "contacts" with these "beings" believe them all to be "good" while others who have had negative results from their experiances believe "them" all to be evil in nature. Some believe the experiance depends on each individual's own personality. Types of UFO contacts are as different as the varied personalities of those people who describe their encounters but there are certain things which appear to be similar. Some of the descriptions are very much alike, is this because they had heard this description before ? Could it be this description was held in their subconcious mind until their "contact" had been made ? Was their "contact" a real physical encounter or was it a "supernatural" or "spiritual" encounter ? Perhaps it was a "dream" or some other type of powerful "vision" that has been so real the subjects feel they have had an actual physical encounter. > What do you suppose they have to hide? The Military has one major item they wish to hide that you can be sure of, and that is the fact they are not sure of as many things as they would like us to think they are. The "unknown" is a powerful weapon when placed in the hands of those who understand how it can be used. One thought concerning it and an example of this might be to say that our military might believe that Russia has the technology but since they are not sure they might present the idea that we also have that technology. The unknown factor would help deter an all out attack. Why if we attack them and they have these "things" they might also have weapons which we could not deal with, an "unknown factor" and the same goes for them should they decide to attack us, what if we had the "weapon" and the "secret." Regardless who has the technology there is a great and powerful struggle taking place in the world and the most powerful weapons are being used against the minds of humankind. I for one believe that "UFOs" and "lights" or "fiery charriots" have come and gone from the heavens for thousands of years. I have had a close encounter with a UFO myself and as such know (in my own mind) that such phenomena does exist, but am unable to say if it is created by "alien beings" or "spiritual beings" but I certainly do not believe that what I saw was "man made" nor do I believe it was a natural (being related to nature) phenomena. More than one saw the same object and because of that I say it was not a result of my imagination. Concerning the "mind wars," I believe that if the many can be confounded there must be some who are able to decern what is taking place and as such they must develop an understanding for it, there must be a balance or "resultant" factor on the opposite end of the scale. Concerning religion and the odds, there were 150 (if I remember right) false prophets on the mountain and there was only Elijah to represent the one true God. What is the Truth ? I don't know, I am still searching. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Robert.Klinn Subject: Area 51: The Nevada Test Site's Supersecret UFO Base? Date: 14 Nov 89 10:22:00 GMT With two top local TV stations here in Las Vegas -- KLAS-TV and KTNV-TV -- carrying deadly serious news reports this week of real alien UFOs POSSIBLY being flown out of the supersecret Area 51, that portion of the U.S. Government's Nevada Test Site which the Air Force refuses to acknowledge as even existing, the situation here appears like The War of the Worlds. Disinformation? Reality? What next? At KTNV-TV, photographer Clay Downey and reporter Glen Meek are tracking down the nature of the on-going projects at Area 51. Off-air, Meek says he has discovered that Area 51 is comprised of four sections. Of those, he has learned the type of activity occurring at two of them. He has been having much difficulty learning the type of activity occurring at the other two. KTNV will broadcast reports this week at 5:30 p.m. Wed., Thurs, & Fri. In a videotape presented by KLAS-TV newsman George Knapp, a UFO performs abrupt manuevers over what may be the "S-4" portion of Area 51 at the Test Site. Knapp's final report will be broadcast tonight, Tuesday at approximately 6:15 p.m. Knapp's star witness is scientist Robert Lazar, who drew a picture of the craft he saw operating at the base. Lazar emphatically claims these are alien craft -- not human-made devices. Lazar says at least one UFO appeared to have been ruptured by a projectile. War of the Worlds? Robert B. Klinn -- Robert Klinn - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Robert.Klinn@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Paranet Alpha's Survey Questionnaire Date: 14 Nov 89 20:22:00 GMT > Mike, I have a minor complaint about Paranet Alpha's > Registration > Questionnaire. After being asked about my interests, I was > asked > whether my interest in these subjects is P)aranormal or > S)cientific. > > It's both, dammit! I object to being forced to exclude one > or > the other. This is an area in which exploration requires > us to > use all our human faculties, the analytical and the > sensory. So noted. Perhaps I should have an extra addition to the question to indicate both? > I also object to being dumped after filling out the > registration > for the benefit of a "System Event", but that's a whole > other can > of worms... ;^) I checked the log and found that you logged on just prior to National Mail Hour which is mandatory per the Fido network that I belong to. I apologize for the abruptness of the system in logging someone off when this event runs, however I have no control over this as this feature is ingrained in the software. I hope that you will call back soon. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: taos!uucp Subject: Pu/Wolf 424 Date: 14 Nov 89 21:17:04 GMT I have two comments: (1) Cooper's reference to the Plutonium in the Gallileo thermionic generator is enough to make one doubt his story. The Plutonium isotope mix used in thermionic power generators is different from that used in nuclear weapons. "Weapons grade" Pu would not produce enough heat to power the Gallileo spacecraft because its specific radioactivity is too low (t/2 of predominant isotope Pu 239 is @ 25000 years). The shorter lived isotopes used in thermionic generators would "pre-ignite," causing a nuclear "fizzle," if they would explode at all. Thermionic power generators are different from nuclear fission reactors. Fission reactors cannot undergo nuclear detonation either,though they may explode thermally as at Chernobyl. Needless to say, the Jovian environment would scarcely be affected by a nuclear explosion of even multimegaton size. The "Great Red Spot" dissipates many, many times this much energy every second. In Clarke's story, Jupiter had to first be made to collapse gravitationally, before it could be made to ignite thermonuclearly. (2), what kind of a star is Wolf 424? Most of the nearby stars are either red subdwarves or else blue giants such as Sirius. Neither is likely to be suitable for life based on liquid water and CONH chemistry. If the star is part of a multiple system, it is rather unlikely to have planets in circular orbits in the habitable zone. - John Chalmers (chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,nbires,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,nbires,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************************************************************************** End of Info-ParaNet Newsletter ********************************************************************************