Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 83 Sunday, November 19th 1989 Today's Topics: KLAS-TV Re: Bill Cooper Re: Hoagland predictions A Current Affair 11/17/89 Las Vegas broadcasts Re: Area 51: The Nevada Test Site's Supersecret Ufo Base? Re: Cooper Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Re: Cooper, Cooper, Cooper Re: A Current Affair 11/17/89 Re: Area 51 RE: Project Blue Book - aka a govt coverup Re: Project Blue Book - aka a govt coverup Re: ALLEDGED UFO LANDING IN OHIO Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter The Fall of Stalinism ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Torson Subject: KLAS-TV Date: 18 Nov 89 02:52:00 GMT The astounding UFO news is being broadcast on KLAS-TV in Las Vegas. I can't help wondering... KLAS-TV ... Phil Klass ... Phil KLASs... Hmm... a cosmic syncronicity or what? -- Jim Torson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Torson@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Bill Cooper Date: 18 Nov 89 07:31:00 GMT >Again, he certainly seemed to have been driven. But, >driven by his >OWN conscious mind? Or, perhaps by a post-hypnotic >suggestion from >someone else? I'd be interested in an opinion of his >behaviour from >someone familiar with deep-trance subjects carrying out >"implanted" >suggestions. I dunno, Ray...we're certainly reaching here. But then, with an enigma like Cooper, reaching for answers is warranted. I stress, though, that big-time liars don't wear tee-shirts that say, "I'm lying." They publicly lie, for the most part, because they are so good at it that they can actually get away with it, or at least fool a lot of people. Case in point: this Dianne Downs creature, who shot her own kids. She seems absolutely sincere. Not convincing, mind you, but sincere. The ability to tell the Big Lie convincingly is one of the major stumbling blocks of ufology. Some people who "just can't be lying" or "just wouldn't lie", are lying. Its a shame. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Hoagland predictions Date: 18 Nov 89 07:57:00 GMT >What exactly was Hoagland's predictions, and was he right? Something about the alignment of Neptune's magnetic field, and its strength relative to other gas giants. And no, he was wrong, and admitted it, but of course came up with a post-hoc explanation for his error. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: A Current Affair 11/17/89 Date: 18 Nov 89 08:16:00 GMT In case you missed it, a segment of this broadcast showed a video taken by a lady in North Carolina of several bright objects in the sky over her house. The video was taken at night, and showed the objects in a "check-mark" formation. A plane flew into the frame, and she panned with it for a few seconds, catching the engine noise, then panned back to the objects, which had changed formation slightly, and a couple of them winked out. She "moozed" (zoomed out) and the second-story window of her bathroom became visible. A shape resembling a person or entity moved past the window. (She says she didn't notice it until she played back the tape.) There was no one in her house at the time, she claims. The cat was also outside. MUFON is investigating. Possibilities: the lights could be a high-altitude flare drop, though this is easily checked. The shape in the window? I think we'll have to wait for the enhancement. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: taos!uucp Subject: Las Vegas broadcasts Date: 19 Nov 89 03:33:13 GMT Dear Friends, There has been nothing on the SF bay area media about the Area 51 story, as far as I have heard. I called KGO-TV in San Francisco, which is an "O and O" station, owned and operated by the ABC network, and they said that they had heard about it, but didn't plan to carry anything locally, but that the network was investigating. Sounded like BS to me. I hope the LV stations, or some third party down there, will see fit to make quality tapes available at reasonable prices. I'd certaintly like copies of all these goings on. Perhaps the 2-hour special will be the best best. My thanks to Robert for his daily updates about the series; it's fascinating. About Bill Cooper and John Lear: I can understand why long-time researchers are annoyed with them, and why sysops have made him persona no grata, but for my part their reports are about the only interesting material in the ParaNet UFO sections. I guess that reflects my own paranoiac viewpoint. I have been making notes, over the last month or so, for an SF novel I call "Storming Dreamland", which ends with a cavalry assault against the Dulce base. Now it looks as though events are overtaking the book - a hazard of all SF writing. Michael Sloan MacLeod (amdahl!drivax!macleod) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Area 51: The Nevada Test Site's Supersecret Ufo Base? Date: 17 Nov 89 14:02:00 GMT > 2. On November 25, newsman George Knapp will reprise and > update the nine-part series in a two-hour, continuous > report -- not another segmented series. This 11/25/89 > report will apparently not be the same as the nine-part > series but will include its substance. That sounds like an interesting idea. > 5. On KVEG-AM stereo radio, 840 on the dial in Las Vegas, > "The Billy Goodman Happening" talk show has been dealing > with UFOs three hours a night, six nights a week, 10:00 > p.m. to 1:00 a.m. Sunday through Friday. Goodman has been > involved in organizing expeditions to the outskirts of Area > 51, taking bus loads of UFO watchers into the desolate > region. If atmospheric conditions are favorable, you might > be able to hear the show wherever you are. I'll see if I can get this one. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Cooper Date: 17 Nov 89 14:04:00 GMT > I thanked you via a message to Delton for bringing me up to > dateKKKK > on everyone's past experience with Cooper, but this is a > direct "thank you." I'll prepare my longer report on > Cooper's L.A. madness when I get a chance, but thaat won't > be for a week or two . . . life has a way of getting busy. You are very welcome. Will be looking for your report. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Date: 17 Nov 89 19:13:00 GMT > I'd like to see those Las Vegas news reports, too. Can > anyone make a copy of the tapes for me? Once I have copies, I'll be > happy to make more, so the original taper doesn't get bogged down copying > tapes. I will to just to help out but how shall we figure on the "cost" of making the dubs ? Price of the tape + shipping + time involved & send them out COD shipping collect, or something like that ? If you were dealing with just one tape it wouldn't be much of a problem but when you are dealing with 9 shows that were (how long ?) then you are going to spend a little bit of time making them + the price of the tapes. I can get VHS tapes (any discount store) from $3-$6 depending on what quality of tape they want to use. Slow speed or "EP" will get you 6 hours on a tape which would be good. 9 shows at one hour each will take two tapes and about 10 hours of recording (set up, rewinding, etc.) so that will take about a day to do the job. If you only have one VCR to record to then it will take all day to make one set of tapes for one other person. If you need to make more than one set of tapes then it would be wise to have more than one VCR to record to while making the dubs, save time and effort that way. It will be easer to figure all this out once a person has the tapes to figure how many are needed and how long it will take to make a set. If the originals are recorded on fast speed the copies will have a better quality, which would be nice for the people who are making the copies who are no doubt going to make those copies at slow speed to reduce the cost to those who are getting the tapes. Needless to say I am in the video business and have made a good number of dubs myself. While you can't "sell" the tapes in this case those making the tapes need compensation for the blank tapes required to make dubs and also for the shipping. Some who make dubs might want a little something for their time and equipment used but I doubt that would be very much as we are all interested in this information and happy to share it with others who have a like interest. Let's see what we can figure out on this and how many would like to help make and mail out the dubs. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Cooper, Cooper, Cooper Date: 17 Nov 89 19:27:00 GMT > I still think there could be some grain of truth in it all, > but I have to agree: he gives us very little help in > determining where that grain might lie. Thanks -- and > thanks to Bryon Smith, too -- for bringing me up to date. That's it in a nutshell, and you are welcome. Nothing against Mr Cooper personally but he has done more to confuse the interested parties than to help explain the phenomena. He acts like he is driven by some "force" to get this (his brand of) information out to the public. Well as I said before, it's not all "true" and he admits it so why does he feel so pressed to tell us things that he admits are not true ? Go figure... ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: A Current Affair 11/17/89 Date: 18 Nov 89 15:53:00 GMT > In case you missed it, a segment of this broadcast showed a > video taken by a lady in North Carolina of several bright > objects in the sky over her house. The video was taken at > night, and showed the objects in a "check-mark" formation. Yes, we are reviewing it on tape at this moment, very interesting 5min of video. It's very hard to tell just what the "thing" is that moves past the window. It's head would be above the second section of the window and behind a shade if it were a humanoid form, therefore it is seen from the shoulders down to about where knees would be perhaps. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f1.n1.z23.FIDONET.ORG!Mac.Druaidh Subject: Re: Area 51 Date: 15 Nov 89 17:48:00 GMT CM} Is anyone making arrangements to obtain videotapes of the CM} news coverage of the Area 51 reportage? This is the first I have heard of "Area 51" -- could somebody summarize the news to date? I'd love to get copies of the off-air tapes, as well (I use 8mm Video so it might be a problem). -- Mac Druaidh - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mac.Druaidh@p0.f1.n1.z23.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG!James.Nannemann Subject: RE: Project Blue Book - aka a govt coverup Date: 18 Nov 89 21:57:15 GMT Unfortunatly, the length of time that is needed to pass before I can talk about SOME things has not yet been long enough. I dont particularly care for the idea of trying to explain why I talked about this or that, which was still labled under it's classification level of Secret or higher. Somehow, our "Intelligence Community" doesnt treat those who talk when not supposed to, very kindly. I have no desire to be "quieted with prejudice". It's not healthy. The closest I have come to revealing ANYTHING was in a book that I wrote called INFILTRATE, and even in that, the dates, and names were changed to remove the security problems. You want proof, but to do that, I would have to expose myself to unwanted problems from Uncle Sam. Sorry, but no thanks. -- James Nannemann - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Nannemann@f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG!James.Nannemann Subject: Re: Project Blue Book - aka a govt coverup Date: 18 Nov 89 22:04:25 GMT At least you have a handle on why I am very reluctant to name names or dates etc. To be made silent with "prejudice" is not my idea of fun. -- James Nannemann - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Nannemann@f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Dale.Wedge Subject: Re: ALLEDGED UFO LANDING IN OHIO Date: 19 Nov 89 16:18:00 GMT As a follow-up on this case, both Jennie Zeidman and Bill Timmerman of (CUFOS), and I guess MUFON went to the site in Millersburg, Ohio and took soil samples. It is not known if any readings were taken by Geiger Counter. One note: It would seem that this investigation was first learned by CUFOS who did not notify MUFON until I notified the State Director in Ohio. Does anyone know the status of working relationship between CUFOS and MUFON? Hope to have more on this case as it develops. -- Dale Wedge - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Dale.Wedge@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Date: 19 Nov 89 17:41:00 GMT Keith: You have hit the nail on the head. I've been saying for a long time that UFOs will remain the Rodney Dangerfield of science until they get respect from the mainstream press. Now, maybe, things are starting to change. It'll take some time, though, judging by the reactions from most journalists I've spoken to. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: The Fall of Stalinism Date: 20 Nov 89 00:37:00 GMT OK, so it looks like the Cold War is over (and I stress "looks" -- I may be a liberal, but I'm no dummy). The Wall has fallen, Poland is in the hands of the Poles, Bulgaria is next....all in the space of a year. I'd like to think Gorbachev is just a real swell guy, and apparently Dick Cheney thinks the same thing. But my gosh, it was all so *easy*. Everyone just fell in place. Does Gorbachev really have that much sway? What I'm leading up to is, are we to take all this at face value? I'm not a student of international politics, but I've seen precious little speculation by the editorial writers and the anti-Communist wags as what may REALLY be going on behind the scenes. They all just seem to think that it was time to happen. But its been time to happen for a couple of decades now. WHY THIS YEAR? OK, gang, I'll spill my guts. I had paid very little attention to the many quotes of Ronald Reagan, saying "What if we faced a common enemy from outer space?" After all, every schoolboy from eighth grade on has had the same thought. But now, I'm not so sure.... Can someone with more knowledge of international affairs set me straight? 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