Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 88 Monday, November 27th 1989 Today's Topics: Re: Newest Release.. Re: Newest Release.. The Secret Govt.. 115,Etc. Re: The Secret Govt.. Re: Antimatter Drives And Area 51 Don Sudduth - The non-physical reality of UFOs S-4 Worker Backs Up Lazar's Claims ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f407.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Re: Newest Release.. Date: 26 Nov 89 05:25:00 GMT Jim- ....Great approach, Don! I wish more people would do that. But when you hand it out.. @ YES I DID! I did mention that it was unconfirmed. I may have an open mind,but it ain't so open that my brains fall out! Fact is,one of the people that I handed the releases to is a Naval Commander (reservist). He was real interested,but didn't say much. I was particularly amused when he asked that if anything else came out that he would like to see it.. Jim- WHERE'S DA BEEF???? ....... VERY good question Jim....The LEFT side of my brain is asking the same thing,however the RIGHT side is leaning heavily towards considering it as more than true. Lazar's claims sure *seem* more than credible... Sounds confusing,I know..but I keep the balance by continuing to look for the "outpoints" of Lazar's story..things I'm mulling over: Release- "In response to callers who want independently to check up on Lazar, he says his "colorful" background has already been checked by George Knapp of KLAS-TV, who had traveled to Los Alamos Laboratories and had spoken to former Lazar colleagues, who confirmed he really had worked there -- in spite of Los Alamos itself denying the fact of Lazar's employment with them. (Knapp's UFO broadcast displayed a page from a 1982 Los Alamos Labs internal phone book, listing Robert Lazar.) @ Thats SOUNDS plausible..but how do we actually *know* that Knapp checked up on him? Is there any documentation that Knapp can actually SHOW (read-> Hard copy) that Lazar has worked the places he's claimed to? Release- Caller Bill Cooper, who says he has talked to Lazar for over a year, says that by talking to persons at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory and at another facility, he and associates have confirmed Lazar's previous work in physics at the places Lazar specified. Lazar replied he was not aware of this checking done by Cooper. @ Which Bill Cooper is this? Is this THE Bill Cooper who was (to put it politely) kicked off Paranet for leaving inflammatory statements to others? And if so,what credibility do we (users,Paranet) assign to him? Are HIS "facts" checkable? Have they been in the past? Release- Lazar says he has 25 people each wanting independently to check him out, but he will not allow that. @ I can understand that. But how about a panel of 5 reputable people? Certainly Dr Stanton Friedman should be one of the panel.. Release- He says neither REECO (Reynolds Electrical and Engineering Co., Inc.) nor EG&G -- each a well-known U.S. Department of Energy Test Site contractor -- has people at S-4, that those persons' clearances are at most Q-Clearances, while his own clearance is "38 levels above Q-Clearance." The closest to S-4 that REECO or EG&G people physically... @ Whew..How is anyone supposed to verify that? Maybe,just maybe the others that worked with Lazar will come forth and support his story. -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f407.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f407.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Re: Newest Release.. Date: 26 Nov 89 05:37:00 GMT Alan, Sorry,didn't mean to 'spook' you about discussing the subject..I just was alittle overly cautious about mentioning conspiracy theories in this base..my thought was that maybe the moderator woudn't appreciate it,but hell..on second thought.if he thinks it's "out of character" here..I'm sure he'll speak up about it. Linda mentioned something about secret govt and how maybe they (oopss..read that as 'there') might be parallels..I say (in my opinion) I think so.. Although the President has his duties and powers of his office and the Judicial Branch has theirs,and Congress makes laws..I feel that there are individuals (and groups) who pursue their OWN agenda without answering to the PUBLIC, and Ollie North even said so during the IranGate hearings... More to follow on this issue... -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f407.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f407.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: The Secret Govt.. Date: 24 Nov 89 05:35:00 GMT Linda, I just wanted to add that sometime ago,my wife heard an author who is a Scientist/lecturer on a local radio talk show discuss about this new super-secret computer system in Brussels. He was touring to promote his book called "A Delicate Balance". His name is John Zajak. His contention is that this computer is being linked up with vast database info on credit card #'s bank accounts,home purchases,etc..Maybe nothing unusual by itself but *he* claims that *the computer* is being programmed to keep track of people world wide by whatever means available electronically whether via satellite,fax,phone or whatever. -His- claim also is that the computer is known as THE BEAST. Since I have yet to read the book,I can't say what it's about or what else he has to say,but it might be interesting. His publisher is: Huntington House Publishing Company Post Office Box 53788 Lafayette,Louisiana 70505 As I understand it,his credentials are really noteworthy as a scientist. Usually,I would dismiss this as yet another "doom and gloom" publication written by yet another paranoid schzoid person..but in his case,it just might be revealing. Just thought you might be interested. Like I said in another post; Conspiracy theories have been around for along time..It just depends on the 'checkability' and credibility of the person(s) involved. Some of my pet theories: 1) CIA operatives are the infamous "men in black" 2) The War in the Falklands (Argentina) a few years ago was a cover for a botched operation funded by the Rockefeller Organization. 3) Lyndon LaRouche is really an Alien from the planet Xenon (joke) 4) The US Govt has been working covertly with the Soviets for over 20 years in what I call the "International Communist Capitalist Conspiracy" (ICCP) to subvert the Constitition of the United States and bring about the Tri-laterialization of Europe as a Power base. I can't PROVE any of the above,but that's just my personal gut level intuitive theories. If you got some skinny on something,let's hear it.. -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f407.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: 115,Etc. Date: 26 Nov 89 22:07:00 GMT > (2) Element 115: I don't know any reason why 115 > would be useful in creating > an antigravity field or creating antimattter, except > possibly as an energy > source in some sort of fission reactor. There is a > predicted quantum mechanical > "Island of Stability" around atomic numbers 112-116, but > more recent > calculations suggest that none of these elements would be > stable enough to be > isolated in macroscopic amounts. In contrast, only a few > years ago some > physicists thought that these elements might have half- > lives in the millions or > billions of years. Thank you for bringing this up. I was hoping that some of our physics readers would jump on this. Could you go further into the explanation about the instability of the elements between 112 and 116? Furthermore, Lazar claims that the vessel uses that in combination with a wave guide which, in his diagram, is shown protruding from the top part of the reactor and protracting to the top of the vessel with an antenna of a sort where it terminates. At the bottom of the vessel is where the gravity amplifier is located. Also, what are tachyons and how could they figure into this scenario. Is it true that gravity could travel twice the speed of light? > Antimatter is made today in small amounts; beams of > positrons and antiprotons > are used in particle accelerators. Neutral anti-hydrogen > (positrons orbiting > antiprotons) would be hard to store, but certainly > synthesizable. It would be a > great power source when it mutually annihilated with normal > matter. How could this work in propulsion? Based upon what has been said thus far by Lazar, could you comment on your feelings about his credibility as a physicist and his theories regarding the overall implication of this. Thanks for your time and contribution to this discussion. Michael Corbin -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: The Secret Govt.. Date: 27 Nov 89 04:03:00 GMT > about this new super-secret computer system in Brussels. He > was > touring to promote his book called "A Delicate Balance". > His > name is John Zajak. His contention is that this computer > is being linked up with vast database info on credit card > #'s > bank accounts,home purchases,etc..Maybe nothing unusual by > itself but *he* claims that *the computer* is being > programmed > to keep track of people world wide by whatever means > available > electronically whether via satellite,fax,phone or whatever. > > -His- claim also is that the computer is known as THE > BEAST. Interesting ... I heard that story, too. Probably in connection with Zajak's book. With the advent of optical mass storage, the nightmare "Beast" could be a reality right now. Access times would be slow, but such a monstrosity is definitely within the scope of present technology. I've never gone in much for the Trilateral conspiracy theory. I don't think the CIA, NSA and FBI would tolerate such an intrusion onto their "turf". But from what I know about information technology, the "Beast" could be used to quickly destroy anyone who came to the attention of its masters -- especially if the thing could interact with credit bureaus, tax records, etc. What's more, the day is not too far off when the "Beast" could be a virtual machine, ie: capable of near-instantaneous information retrieval and transaction processing. Then you could summon up almost all the financial/lifestyle details of a "target" at the touch of 9 keys (social security number). You could also wreak absolute havoc with the person if your "Beastie" was equipped to freeze bank accounts (or simply draw on them), draw out credit lines, and maybe post a few phantom liens for good measure. Even if all the transactions were spurious, you could destroy someone utterly and leave them penniless -- with the prospect of years of lawsuits & financial reconstruction before the hapless victim could even come CLOSE to understanding what had happened. I know some ParaNeters work in the info technology field ... do any of us have any knowledge of such a super-system? At this stage it would probably have to be hydra-like, with network nodes in several different places on each continent. It would have to be tied together over leased lines (T1s or CEPT lines) and almost certainly satellite up/downlinks. It's possible NOW. Pleasant dreams. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Don.Sudduth Subject: Re: Antimatter Drives And Area 51 Date: 27 Nov 89 05:38:00 GMT Perhaps, Lazarium?? -- Don Sudduth - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Sudduth@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Don Sudduth - The non-physical reality of UFOs Date: 27 Nov 89 07:41:00 GMT Don Sudduth is a user on ParaNet Alpha. He uploaded this file and asked that I post it in the message area. For further information on this refer to a file titled: ABMATTER.UFO TITLE: UFO ABDUCTIONS: BEYOND MATTER? AUTHOR: Don Sudduth DATE: November 26, 1989 There is a certain sense of stability in the physical world that most of us take for granted. However, in the current realm of UFO abduction literature, the term "physical world" may need some redefinition. UFO abductees have found their world stretched and distorted in a way that defies modern science. Testimony from abductees now includes levitation, paralysis, telepathy, and startling visions. To ignore these reports is to ignore the vast amount of evidence that seems to be mounting. To accept these reports blindly, however, is to accept data whose source is testimony from hypnosis, vague memories, and spontaneous recall. Are abductees really levitating out of their beds at night, floating up to a hovering UFO, and being subjected to physical examinations? Perhaps this question can be answered by looking closer at abductee's testimony. Recently, Budd Hopkin's and Whitley Strieber's works have strongly promoted the notion of physical abductions as a norm for UFO contact with humans. However, from a recently published article in UFO Magazine (Vol 4, Num 4), Ann Druffel has offered a new perspective on the abduction phenomena. This perspective alters the focus of an abduction from something physical to something within the mind. Ann Druffel, in her book "The Tujunga Canyon Contacts" tells of hypnotic regression of a particular abductee named Emily who "learned that if she could manage to move even one toe or finger, the paralysis broke and the creatures vanished." The article goes on to report that Emily could use mental effort to wake her roommate and also break the abduction paralysis. In another case Ms. Druffel notes that the abductee was able to break out of the "contact" by making a sound or mantra within herself. Breaking out of the alleged abduction by shear force of will is just one clue of its non-physical nature. Are there others? Looking at the varied testimony of abductees, one gets the sense of the lack of coincidence from report to report. One person stated that she was transported through her apartment wall. While others feel the abductors take them "by hand" into waiting UFO's. Whitley Strieber, in his book "Transformation", writes about his attempts at astral travel and the similarity of that experience to his abductions. He also notes the strangeness factor of abduction reports from his article in UFO Magazine (Vol 4, Num 2). Strieber writes, "Of the 690 narratives sent to me by Communion and Transformation readers, only a few appear to support these present theories of abduction. The vast majority instead describe perceptions and experiences far stranger than any reported by mainstream abduction researchers." Another UFO researcher, Richard Grossinger, writes of the inability of contactees to distinguish between the concrete or real and the psychic or hallucinatory. He suggests that we may be dealing with both levels of reality thereby creating the current paradox of conflicting abduction testimonies. Before the "Communion" and "Intruders" phenomenon, astrophysicist and UFO researcher Jacques Vallee cautioned the conception of UFO's as being something truly physical. Vallee's position is that individual and social psychological manipulation of UFO contactees may not be extraterrestrial at all but encounters with another reality. He suggests that the intelligence community worldwide is probably "in the dark" about most aspects of the UFO phenomena. On the MJ-12 document he writes, "Given the names on the list of MJ-12 scientists, however, it seems to me their work could have had an entirely different orientation, having to do with psychological warfare. I scratched the surface of that issue in "Messengers of Deception", and I got burned because the UFO research community was not ready to even consider that side of the problem". Now that the verdict is out on the MJ-12 documents with Bill Moore's revelation of planted information, Dr. Vallee's comments seem much more potent. In his book "Dimensions", Dr. Vallee strongly emphasizes the psychological nature of UFO encounters. His research has shown that historically, UFO encounters have been perceived to be the common myths of the time period such as the miracle at Fatima, Portugal in 1917. "The events at Fatima involve luminous spheres, lights with strange colors, a feeling of 'heat waves'--all physical characteristics commonly associated with UFOs...They also encompass prophecy and a loss of ordinary consciousness on the part of witnesses--what we have called the psychic component of UFO sightings" (p 174). Dr. Vallee even implies that much of human history may have been shaped by the psychological effects of UFO encounters and that the shape may have a purpose. Extraterrestrial or not, it seems that abductions by UFOs are much more psychological in nature than physical. Yet the common belief is in physical contact! Is this what we are meant to believe? -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Robert.Klinn Subject: S-4 Worker Backs Up Lazar's Claims Date: 27 Nov 89 11:28:00 GMT Six "Scared-To-Death" S-4 Workers Reportedly Meet Outside the Nevada Test Site at Lathrop Wells to Unite and Join Lazar's Expose of Alien Saucers On KVEG-AM Radio in Las Vegas, on The Billy Goodman Happening, 11/24/89, 10:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m., with Robert Lazar on the line, another caller introduces himself as "a colleague in Lazar's department." Calling himself "MW" for Mercury Worker [Mercury is the military town inside the Test Site], he distinguishes his work -- "hands-on" -- from Lazar's. MW says he is a construction worker, installing and constructing. He says he and others like him work in S-4 -- especially underground -- in deep sections. "We all know a lot." "Someone had to install the hangars." "There is more than tunnels -- everything you can imagine -- cause we did everything." He says people are now meeting in small groups to talk about backing up Lazar. There was a meeting of six workers the night of 11/24/89, he says, to discuss whether or not they should publicly say what they saw. The five others are scared to death, he says. He himself sounds scared on the telephone. They are trying to get it where it will be safe for them to join Lazar, he says. The MW's are "putting something together to join you." There are two more MW workers supporting you, he says. "We got together at Lathrop Wells [a small town close to the southwest end of the Nevada Test Site] and said we got to do something." "Only two out of the six are willing to do something." "The guys are for you." Although encouraged, Lazar points out there's a ten-year jail term for them if they talk. -- Robert Klinn - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Robert.Klinn@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,nbires,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,nbires,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************************************************************************** End of Info-ParaNet Newsletter ********************************************************************************