Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 107 Friday, December 22nd 1989 Today's Topics: Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers Re: Teller Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers Re: Teller Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers Re: Comments KLAS-TV Tape Japan Video Saucers or Fiery Chariots. Aliens or Angels. Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers Date: 21 Dec 89 17:33:00 GMT What is so suprising that they won't articualte what it is they are expecting? That would put them in the position of saying something that could later be shown to have been correct or incorrect. By making vague allusions of "something disquieting" happening "soon" they will almost assuredly be correct. Something disquieting happens every year or so, always has, always will. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Teller Date: 21 Dec 89 17:37:00 GMT The significance is that the words "Teller at Malta" can be rearranged to say "Me a Tall Tatler" meaning the Teller has some highly important information to convey and he is on the verge of doing so even though his "handlers" are trying to stop him from doing so. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robert.Lee Subject: Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers Date: 21 Dec 89 21:49:00 GMT You may be right regarding their not articulating what they may think is coming up. If nothing definite is stated there is no true test of their hypothesis. In Ad hoc form it leaves open the, "I told you something was going to happen" argument which is, most assuredly, not science. This is one thing that I fell is imperative to UFO investigations/research -- that the scientific method be applied to it. So far, I have not really seen a tremendous (if any) effort to legitimize the area according to standard scientific procedures. As long as that does not happen, then it will be very hard to recruit any true consideration of the area by the scientific community. -- Robert Lee - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Robert.Lee@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Teller Date: 22 Dec 89 04:41:00 GMT > A simple question.... > > What is the significance of Teller at Malta? > Well, I think it has significance on at least two levels, providing it's confirmed. I haven't been able to confirm it, though. First, what's the Star Wars guru doing at a tete-a-tete, plain-speaking summit between Bush & Mr. G? Just on the level of Realpolitik, Teller's presence hints that something is up. Are we going to share Star Wars technology? Are we trying to persuade the Russians it's defensive & harmless and go full speed ahead? Teller's presence would mean something on the geopolitical level alone. On the speculative level, much ink has been spilled about Star Wars' "real" intention. Our august ex-President, Mr. Reagan, is well-remembered around here for saying three times to three different audiences (the first of which was Mikhail Gorbachev) that Star Wars would protect us from alien invasion. And the Russians have often said that a UFO sighting could actually TRIGGER a nuclear exchange if we go ahead with SDI. So if Teller was there, it certainly means something. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers Date: 21 Dec 89 16:43:00 GMT In a message to Bryon Smith <12-20-89 18:35> Robert Lee wrote: RL> You have alluded to some major changes that you think are RL> going to occur or are occurring now. Can you go into some RL> detail? I have had some contact with a few people who are RL> saying something similar but they are not able to RL> articulate what it is that they are expecting. Any RL> thoughts, feelings, about these changes from your RL> perspective (as a researcher in the area) would be RL> appreciated. Thanks. My thoughts and feelings about the changes that are all ready underway are not all good. While some will recognize certan things and come into a greater understanding of the events, and supernatural occurrences, others will be left to their own beliefs and/or paranoia of the things they believe. These examples have all ready manifested themselves through certan people who are involved in the UFO research field, and the thought process involved with the subject of UFOs. I believe the reason for this is that UFO researchers are involved with the "signs" being provided by these beings to witnesses. More or less directly watching the movement of these beings while they do what it is they are doing. UFO researchers are more or less on the front line and it is important they widen their scope of possibilities and consider there is more to the UFO phenomena than just either a "hoax" or not a "hoax," and even consider these beings to be more than "just aliens," but to consider at least some of them to have abilities that may go beyond the abilities or limitations we may attatch to the term "alien." Not needing "devices" in order to preform certain tasks, some of which may appear to be quite miraculous. The abilitiy to "beam" in and out of places very quickly, the ability to affect things at a distance, the ability to create illusions, and some will use illusions to deceive people with, it's a type of "mental warfare." RL> Also, you seem to be suggesting that these beings have RL> intelligence and mission. Do you see, in them, some RL> mission at this time? Thanks. The same mission they have always had, they just change their tatics on the outside, or what is apparent to the public. Again this is where the mind games come in, they use things that people are more likely to believe. They have had their "firey chariots" since they have been on Earth but in that day some of them were worshiped as "gods" while others did little more than observe our reactions. Today we see these "firey chariots" as "UFOs" and believe in "aliens" instead of "gods," those of them who choose to deceive someone for whatever the reason will use something the people would expect, or might accept. Because of their tatics we must be very careful not to place "labels" on things or expect a certain shape of UFO to be from a certain source. These beings are able to duplicate things, and make carbon copies of craft used by "what I might refer to as friendlies." I just use this as an example of how "lables" & "images" can be misused & misunderstood, as well as deliberately misleading. Rather like a false I.D. card might be used by a spy. This is why the mental "games" are so critical now and why we must be aware of the tatics being used. It's important that UFO investigators expand their thoughts to cover certain other areas that many have been missing in their research. They need to consider why certain things and evidence have not fallen into place as it should have. They also need to take known "evidence" and reconsider certain questions. Why the "shell" of a UFO found in 1947 with nothing in it that our scientists could recognize as "controls" or "wires" or anything that could be related to instruments, controls, or a power plant. Why the hieroglyphics on the small beams ? Who else has used a written language simular to this in the past ? Where did they learn it from ? What was their culture and their religions like during that time ? What was their opinion of the "UFOs" they saw during that time, and what did the beings desire of the people ? What are they doing now ? Playing mind games with select individuals, as well as with our military. Testing us, teasing us, perhaps setting us up for something they have planed for the future, perhaps near future (as in 1-3 years). Perhaps a plan set in motion years ago and being carried out in stages. I believe they have both the ability to clone people as well as to affect the minds of individuals. I do not think they need "implants" to affect or control the minds of selected people, I think the concept of "implants" only strengthens a different type of "mind hold" on the public who believe in "aliens" and "UFOs." I think it's something to throw investigators off the trail and need not actually physically function. Like filling your "riddle" full of "cement" to make it "harder" to figure out. If they have the ability to affect people in high government and military positions then they may very well be the ones with their fingers on the button and not us. If certain high government personal knew even some of the abilities and reasoning behind these beings then it may become clear the subject is truly "above top secret." First of all they would know these beings they have been dealing with are not to be trusted. They may also know they can be very dangerous, and vertually impossible to defend against should they be provoked. I do not believe these beings are intimidated by our military, I believe there is something else keeping them more or less in check. Perhaps the "friendlies" I mentioned earler are involved, I believe they are. Human thoughts and emotions are being affected world wide, and are either the cause or the effect of the events we are now witness to. Being afraid is not the answer, they can use our own fear against us as effectively as any weapon, but being carful, watchful, and truthful to ourselves as well as with others is very important. If deception is a device being used against us in this "mental war" then we must rid ourselves of deceiving "things," "thoughts," & "concepts" that are misleading our investigations. The military plays war games constantly in order to better train their solders as well as to study both the strengths and weaknesses of their enemies. This "war-game" has factors to consider that are very hard to discover or to understand. Why do they have war-games ? Just in case they must go to war, or in case they are planning a war. This is why I say the events taking place now, Russia, Germany, etc. are very important factors and must be considered. Hope that helps. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Comments Date: 21 Dec 89 16:44:00 GMT In a message to Bryon Smith <12-20-89 21:49> Clark Matthews wrote: CM> OK. I'll see what I can find about Kirillian photos. I CM> read some pretty extensive stuff on them many years ago -- Thanks. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: KLAS-TV Tape Date: 22 Dec 89 03:42:00 GMT I viewed the KLAS-TV tape last night (thanks, T.S. - I got a dub from the one you sent to Charlie Wren). I thought it was quite excellent, and aside from the credulity about Billy Meier, wouldn't hesitate to recommend it as something to be shown to other journalists who want a quick primer on the subject. Some of you who have extra copies might consider sending them along to your local news outlets. It would be a shame to let such a good video go to waste, when minds can be influenced.... It certainly was comprehensive - I can't think of anything important that wasn't at least touched on in the video. What a monumental editing job! Must have taken months to produce. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sun!esanborn (Ed Sanborn) Subject: Japan Video Date: 22 Dec 89 15:28:29 GMT Jim, I'd like a copy of the Japanese video if possible. Could you send me your mailing address. Thanks, Ed Sanborn. Mass. MUFON State Director. uunet!sparta!esanborn -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG!James.Nannemann Subject: Saucers or Fiery Chariots. Aliens or Angels. Date: 21 Dec 89 16:21:03 GMT Even in the Bible it describes a UFO or two. The one example that comes to mind is EZEKIAL's machine. I understand that someone or other, using his primitive descriptions, built a machine from them, and it turned out to be an interesting type of helicopter. There are pictures of UFOs on the walls of Medieval Monestary Churches, in the Pyramids of Egypt, in the ruins of the Maya in the Yucatan Pen. of Mexico (which I saw for myself about 4 years ago). I am sure there are many other places where UFOs have been recorded, which serve to "prove" that we have been under surveliance by somewhat benevolant beings for centuries. But.... are these beings from another star system, another dimension, or from fabled "Atlantis"? Is the current Peristoroika & Glasnost happening at the prodding of these beings, in order to avert a worldwide calamity? Why dont they just land one of their disks in the middle of the stadium during the Super Bowl or something? Sure they havent gone out of their way to hide really, but the only way the governments of the world are going to quit trying to pretend that they dont exist, is if the ETs bring their existanct to the people in a way that cannot be covered up by any of the world governments. Too bad they cant land one at the U.N. THAT would sure wake people up!! But if these beings have been taking a non-interference attitude all these centuries, when will they stop playing hide and seek with us humans? Since Mr. Lazar's revalations show that the disks arent invulnerable, (referring to the one with the 5" hole through the bottom to the top of one of the disks), what is the hold up on all of this. I dont see any reason why they should be hidden any more. But someone obviously does. What is the big dark secret as to the why? Is it just another power ploy of the government to keep the civilians under their thumbs? That is pretty likely, dont you think so? I for one would jump at the chance to become involved with such aliens. Imagine how much we can learn from them! But how can we learn from them, if the government keeps the wraps on it indefinetly? Or is the government doing that because they have been told to, BY the aliens? Has anyone made use of the "Freedom of Information Act" and gotten any information from the Government that way? I know, lots of questions, and not much in the way of answers, but I'm sure that others have similar questions. Jim Nannemann -- James Nannemann - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Nannemann@f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robert.Lee Subject: Re: Lazar And His Amazing Saucers Date: 22 Dec 89 23:24:00 GMT Again, a very good post. I will read offline and respond. Thanks for your information. -- Robert Lee - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Robert.Lee@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************