Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 133 Tuesday, January 23rd 1990 Today's Topics: Re: UFOs as a reality... Re: Lazar Lazar -- Los Alamos Article Re the face on Mars discussion... announcement to all Lazar Bashing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Don.Allen Subject: Re: UFOs as a reality... Date: 21 Jan 90 06:56:00 GMT MC>..Word coming from the scientific community is that the film is "...perhaps the most important piece of photographic evidence that we have ever had of an unidentified flying object..." # @ Whoa! Is there a ** possibility ** that they may go more PUBLIC with announcements??? What a gas that would be! I just wonder how the White House would react to that...maybe Fitzwater's remark was more like a "freudian slip" than we know. But who knows..stranger things have happenned in the last 6 months. I would LOVE to hear more word on this! -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Don.Allen Subject: Re: Lazar Date: 21 Jan 90 07:24:00 GMT # You wrote in an earlier message: "So until I see something that lends greater credibility to Lazar, I have to conclude that he is not what he seems to be. That is my personal opinion. The rest of you can disagree, and I'll be happy to hear what you disagree with and why." @ That seems like a pretty accurate assessment to me as well. Although I admit to partially believing what he says..there are those moments of "convienient amnesia" that trouble me as well. And like others have stated before, it seems to come down towards the issues of stating the ACTUAL NUMBERS. He is too vague. Also,the only info I've seen about him are in the form of either TV or Radio interviews. What bothers me the most is that I have YET to hear of a one-on-one interview OR a PANEL of independent credible researchers try and PIN him down on HARD FACTS. What about an interview between Lazar and Stanton Friedman?????????? THEN,I would be >> more inclined << to accept what he says in whole. How about a PANEL of: Michael Corbin Stanton Friedman Jim Speiser Linda Murphy etc,etc Plus as an *added* bonus..add *any* credible member of the Scientific Community that all could agree that would be a good choice. (Forget Carl Sagan :^) ) Heck...throw in a few hard skeptics as well..just so that the idea is that the panel is well-balanced, and is perceived that way. Ok,so we've heard about Lazar for about 2 months now..Time to get the rubber on the road now. Comments? -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Lazar -- Los Alamos Article Date: 23 Jan 90 07:45:00 GMT The article below is a reprint of the article which featured Bob Lazar's interst in jet cars as noted on George Knapp's KLAS-TV broadcast. This helps to provide some background information about Lazar's employment history at Los Alamos Labs. As you may recall, Los Alamos denied Lazar's employment with them when Knapp contacted them to verify Lazar's background. Despite this and other evidence as shown by a telephone directory from 1982 at Los Alamos verifying that Lazar worked there, Los Alamos continues to deny Lazar's past employment at the facility. DATE OF ARTICLE: June 27, 1982 SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Los Alamos Monitor LOCATION: Los Alamos, New Mexico BYLINE: Terry England ======================================================== (C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service All Rights Reserved. THIS FILE WAS PREPARED BY PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE DENVER, COLORADO NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK ======================================================== Lazar: Jet Car Coverage in Los Alamos Monitor Los Alamos Monitor, Los Alamos, New Mexico, Sunday, 6/27/82, Front Page "LA [Los Alamos] Man Joins the Jet Set -- at 200 Miles an Hour" By Terry England, Monitor staff writer 4 photos by Al Gibes The custom California license plate says "JET-U-BET." This isn't an idle boast, unlike so many other California license plates that proclaim a car a jet. This car, a Honda, has a real jet engine in it. And the jet engine can move that car: up to 200 mph. The car already was in the family, and it had room to hold the engine. So, with a little modification and a little outside help, a Honda became a jet car. Why? "There's no real reason, except for going fast," said Bob Lazar, builder of the engine. "It's going through various transitions, and it's always half-done." It's not the car so much that's important. To Lazar, a physicist at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility, the important thing is the jet engine. It's something he's been working on for years. It started "awhile ago" when working with another researcher in NASA on the technology. Lazar modified the original design "and put out more power." His first jet-powered device was a bicycle, on which he hit 100 mph. "The cops saw that and put a stop to it for fear of safety," he said. The engine, the second for the Honda, is made of stainless steel and titanium and burns liquid propane. The jet is capable of putting out 1,600 pounds of thrust (although it has been cut back to 800 pounds for various reasons). The first jet engine was smaller, and the exhaust was right behind the license plate holder. When the jet was to be fired, the holder was moved out of the way. One time, someone forgot, and the metal plate was shattered by the force. The Lazars keep a piece as a souvenir. The waste products are water vapor and carbon dioxide. An after- burner that uses kerosene increases the jet's efficiency 50 percent, he said. In tests at a dry lake bed near Los Angeles, the car hit over 200 mph, he said. The standard gasoline engine still works and is used to get the car going to about 90 mph. The engine then is put into neutral, and the jet engine is kicked in for 30 to 60 seconds. When the car hit 200 mph, the driver, a friend of the Lazars, came back "as white as a sheet." The Honda isn't made for high-speed driving. Indeed, the total thrust, slightly above 1,600 pounds, is about the same as the car weighs. "Theoretically, the car should become airborne if the thrust exceeds the weight," he said. "If you hit a rock, you're in trouble. That's one reason he cut down the thrust." Besides the rear-area modifications, Lazar said he had to put in two steel beams in the floor of the car because Hondas do not have frames. Fiberglass was used to remold the body so air scoops could be added to the roof and sides. A firewall protects the driver and passenger from the heat of the engine. The temperature in the engine compartment reaches 200 degrees, the limit because of the air flow. Parts of the engine will glow white hot. At one point, the Lazars were almost out of money, and the car was unfinished. "That's when the commercial firms helped out," he said. Word was getting around California about the car, and offers began to come in. "I went to a tire dealer and asked for some tires for the car," he said. "The man asked, 'Is that your jet car parked out there?' I said yes and he said, 'Goodrich has been trying to get ahold of you. I've got four tires here they want to give you.' They cost $100 apiece," he said. So it went: the car received a custom paint job, new tires, new seats and new tire rims (which Lazar never picked up), all free "as long as we put their names on the car." The jet cannot get the car going from a dead stop, which enables Lazar and his wife, Carol, to demonstrate the engine to reporters. The car was driven (in the usual manner) to the Pueblo High School parking lot Saturday where Lazar started the engine about four times. One of the oddest sights is this little foreign car sitting in an empty lot making noise like a jet plane. Lazar explained that the sound waves in the intake are synchronized with the sound waves from the exhaust, adding to the din. The waves travel in a V from the exhaust, and moving around the rear of the car subjects one's ears to a real cacophonous assault. The noise level in the passenger compartment isn't as bad, Lazar said. That may be, but the sound carries far and wide; a gentleman later told Lazar he heard the noise from the "topmost street" above Urban Park. The police are familiar with the vehicle, too. During the demonstration, a county policeman drove up and asked, "Have you been firing that thing?" He didn't ask what was going on, he seemed to know. When Lazar said yes, the policeman said not to do it any more because complaints had been received about the noise. "The police have been cooperative," Lazar said. "They've been interested in the car, and sometimes we've seen them come by and look at it." Unlike most jet engines, Lazar's design does not need the huge bulky compressors. This is because the fuel already is compressed, he said, making it the most efficient jet engine available. A standard jet uses six pounds of fuel for every pound of thrust; Lazar said he uses 1.3 pounds of fuel for a pound of thrust. New projects for the jet include an ultra-light aircraft powered by a smaller version, then possibly a race car with a larger version. "This will be strictly a race car," he said. "The car will be designed around the engine, instead of one being placed in an existing car." The jet-powered Honda attracts a lot of attention for the Lazars, who moved to Los Alamos about a month ago from California. Neighbors will gather around and look at it, sometimes in the middle of the night. Most of the local people are interested in the technology, which is a change from California, said Mrs. Lazar. "People looked at it and said 'a jet powered car,' then tried to damage it," she said. "A lot of people are frightened by it. I was at first." She has driven the car to 135 mph because, she said, "I like the speed." Photo captions: Bob Lazar (above) attempts to examine the jet exhaust while it's running, and as a result he is buffeted by the warm air. At that distance, he said, the heat isn't that great. While he wears ear muffs, his wife Carol holds her hands over her ears in the background. A tiny button near the rim of the steering wheel (top right) starts the jet. Two gauges on the control panel in the background give the pressure and fuel amount. The jet (bottom right) is the horizontal tube; the dark tank in the corner holds the liquid propane fuel. The vertical portion is an air scoop. The car itself is a Honda, modified only slightly to accept the jet engine, including installing a firewall behind the front seats and air scoops on the top and sides of the vehicle. The standard gasoline engine still works; the car can be driven normally. ================================================================= 1/90 -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mailrus!wuarchive!texbell!swarren@convex (Steve Warren) Subject: Re the face on Mars discussion... Date: 23 Jan 90 15:53:34 GMT Don't be too quick to assume that geometric forms and mathematical ratios are evidence of intelligent intervention. There are a myriad of mathematical relationships built into the structure and physical laws of the universe. Often the normal interplay of natural forces and matter can give rise to fairly complex structures. Specifically, lava flows can sometimes crystalize into a series of huge hexagonal columns that at first glance might appear to be the work of some prehistoric architect. There are many other examples. This is an interesting subject. But make sure you eliminate the mundane explanations before resorting to the bizarre ;^). --Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.COM -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bill.English Subject: announcement to all Date: 23 Jan 90 15:51:00 GMT IT HAS COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT SOMEONE HAS BEEN APPEARING ON RADIO SHOWS AND TELEVISION SHOWS REPRESENTING UFINET. THERE ARE ONLY THREE PEOPLE AUTHORIZED TO REPRESENT UFINET IN THE MEDIA. THERE ARE WILLIAM S. ENGLISH, RICHARD SHEFFLER, AND MARRIANE SHENEFIELD, ALL OTHERS ARE FRAUDS AND "DO NOT" REPRESENT UFINET NEWS AND INFORMATION SERVICE. IF YOU SEE SUCH A PROGRAM PLEASE OBTAIN THE STATION CALL SIGN WHERE THE PROGRAM IS ORIGINATING FROM, THE LOCATION OF THE STATION, THE TIME THE PROGRAM WAS SEEN, AND THE DATE AND PLEASE FORWARD THIS INFORMATION TO OUR OFFICES SO THAT WE MAY TAKE ACTION. FOR THE RECORD WE DO NOT HAVE APRO FILES AND HAVE NEVER LAID CLAIM TO SUCH. YOUR HELP IN THIS MATTER WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. William S. English, Executive Director, UFINET News and Information Service, P.O. Box 123, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88311-0123 -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: keith@raptor.cray.com (Keith A. Fredericks) Subject: Lazar Bashing Date: 23 Jan 90 19:43:25 GMT It seems that all I have been hearing lately is stuff like: ``I am not a physicist...but, Lazar's not giving the atomic weight of element 115 and the gravity wave frequency makes it all sound really fishy.'' Hasn't this guy got it tough enough without these junior birdmen making these freshmen comments? It seems to me to be too early to make a judgement as to the truth or falsehood of the assertions and ideas Lazar has presented. WE NEED MORE DATA. I don't care how much physics you have...or how famous you are....you will be ATTACKED BRUTALLY if you say that you have seen something new that is outside of the reality tunnel of consensus scientific opinion. -- Keith Fredericks, Cray Research Inc., 1440 Northland Dr. Mendota Hgts., MN 55120 keith@cray.com (612)681-3258 ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************