Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 135 Thursday, January 25th 1990 Today's Topics: cows Re: Animal Mutilations Re: Replies Re: Ever hear of.. Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Mj-12,Lazar,Disinformation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: cows Date: 23 Jan 90 14:46:00 GMT In a message to Bryon Smith <01-22-90 19:03> Jerry Woody wrote: JW> Well, we never got any farther than the initial news story. JW> The Police report in the newspaper gave no names. We got JW> the impression from the Sheriff Dept. that it was none of JW> our business & that we really shouldn't persue it any JW> farther since it was 'under investigation' and no JW> information would be released. I am not surprised at their reaction, that's about normal for some of them. JW> There had been 'satanic cult' activity in the area, but all JW> the authorities found were dead chickens. Rod Wilson and I have discovered there to be sightings of UFOs as well as "satanic clut" activities in the same areas. We believe there may be a connection somehow but are not sure what that connection might be. We don't know if the UFOs are coming in to view our "religious" activities, or if they are responsible for some of those activities, or what. JW> There was another strange report in the Decatur Daily. It JW> was doing a story on satanic cults and listed some animal JW> mute events. I don't think i have the article to this one JW> so I'm quoting from memory. This was about a cattle JW> mutilation in Blount County, which neighbors Cullman on the JW> East. I think the identical cuts were made to this farmers' JW> cow, but he also stated that he found a very strange dart JW> or arrow "that he had never seen the like of before" beside JW> the cow. They wrote it up to satanic cults so no further JW> info was given. No doubt was cult activities, it would be interesting to see the dart. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Animal Mutilations Date: 23 Jan 90 16:06:00 GMT In a message to All <01-21-90 20:29> Eric Brown wrote: EB> The Charlotte Observer in Charlotte, NC recently reported EB> on two animal mutilations this month (January) in nearby EB> Cabarrus County. A cow and a deer were found, each with EB> their tongue and left ear cut out. How far were they from each other when they were found ? Were there any signs of how they were killed ? Was the dear a wild or domesticated animal ? How near to the nearest residence were the animals found ? If the nearest residence is withen sight of that area then try to find out who lives there and if they seen or heard anything unusual during the time when the animals were believed to have been killed. Also try to find out if they have seen or heard anything unusual around there before. Sometimes a UFO will visit an area where livestock is months or even a year before an actual mutilation is found in that area, according to information from Linda Howe. Check with the Sheriff's department to see if there were any tracks found near the animals. Ask them for any reports of "strange lights in the sky" near that area prier to or after the animal bodies were found. Ask them if a vet had been called in to assess the situation and if so try to get his/her name and location of business, phone number, etc. If not then try to find out if there were any body fluids found in the animals, or even around on the ground near the animals. See what you can find out and keep us informed. Thanks. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Replies Date: 23 Jan 90 16:10:00 GMT In a message to steve rose <01-21-90 00:21> Robert Sikes wrote: RS> MANY, MANY BIRDS' DEATH WERE AIDS RELATED OR SOME OTHER RS> VIRUS IS IRRELEVANT. IT WAS SURELY A VERY, VERY UNUSUAL RS> AND STILL UNEXPLAINED RS> EVENT SIR. Birds falling from the air as you stated sounds more like chemical than "germ" to me, but I have little understanding of such things. I would think that a "sick" bird would land somewhere and die, rather than just falling out of the air. Might have been some really "bad" germs. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mailrus!uunet!crdos1.crd.ge.com!davidsen Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Date: 25 Jan 90 14:20:35 GMT -+ +From: keith@raptor.cray.com (Keith A. Fredericks) -+ Subject: Lazar Bashing -+ It seems that all I have been hearing lately is stuff like: -+ -+ ``I am not a physicist...but, Lazar's not giving the atomic weight of element -+ 115 and the gravity wave frequency makes it all sound really fishy.'' -+ -+ Hasn't this guy got it tough enough without these junior birdmen making these -+ freshmen comments? Since when is "Show me proof" a freshman comment. If you take it on faith it's religion. If you want proof it's science. Which are you looking for? -+ -+ It seems to me to be too early to make a judgement as to the truth or -+ falsehood of the assertions and ideas Lazar has presented. WE NEED MORE -+ DATA. And I don't see it coming from Lazar. He has "forgotten" the only things which could be checked by anyone else, even though they can only be checked for ballpark possibility. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mailrus!uunet!crdos1.crd.ge.com!davidsen Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Date: 25 Jan 90 14:21:19 GMT -+ DATE OF ARTICLE: June 27, 1982 -+ SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Los Alamos Monitor -+ LOCATION: Los Alamos, New Mexico -+ BYLINE: Terry England -+ The Honda isn't made for high-speed driving. Indeed, the total -+ thrust, slightly above 1,600 pounds, is about the same as the car -+ weighs. -+ -+ "Theoretically, the car should become airborne if the thrust -+ exceeds the weight," he said. "If you hit a rock, you're in -+ trouble. That's one reason he cut down the thrust." Theoretically this is a crock. Unless the jet is pointing straight down, having the thrust greater than the weight doesn't do anything special. Race cars develop thrust (through the tires, yet) of three times the car's weight and don't become airbourne. -+ "I went to a tire dealer and asked for some tires for the car," -+ he said. "The man asked, 'Is that your jet car parked out -+ there?' I said yes and he said, 'Goodrich has been trying to get -+ ahold of you. I've got four tires here they want to give you.' -+ They cost $100 apiece," he said. I don't understand this. If they were given to him what is the cost? I can assure you that tires designed for 200mph are not that cheap, are are usually not rated for street use. The few that might be would not fit on a Honda unless it has a totally new suspension or Calif. allows 15 inches of tire outside the car body. -+ The jet cannot get the car going from a dead stop, which enables -+ Lazar and his wife, Carol, to demonstrate the engine to -+ reporters. More "weird technology"! Jet planes work fine from a stop. Art Arfons (and his brother, son, and nephew) has built 30 jet powered race cars and they all started from a dead stop. Before someone sys it, the current cars are turbine powered driving through the wheels, but the early drag cars, land speed cars, and boats were true jet. -+ Unlike most jet engines, Lazar's design does not need the huge -+ bulky compressors. This is because the fuel already is -+ compressed, he said, making it the most efficient jet engine -+ available. A standard jet uses six pounds of fuel for every -+ pound of thrust; Lazar said he uses 1.3 pounds of fuel for a -+ pound of thrust. The compressor in a jet compresses the air, not the fuel. More "weird technology." If this is the same Bob Lazar, either the press is distorting his remarks, or he doesn't know what he's talking about. I make no claims to be an expert, but I have been racing and following racing technology for 30 years, and a lot of this is just hogwash. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!David.Blaker Subject: Mj-12,Lazar,Disinformation Date: 25 Jan 90 06:05:13 GMT In response to the current issues that plagues all of the serious UFO researchers, I feel we must all cooperate and concetrate our efforts to specific issues. First,I must agree with several comments concerning Bob Lazar.His consistant inability to recall facts from memory.Why doesn't he remember the frquency of the gravity wave.Obviously this is one of the major aspects of his work.Also the lack of producing formulas and equations to support his claims is inconsistant with someone who is suppose to be a physicist.A simple physics equation v=s/t v being velocity, s being distance and t being time.Lazar claims that time stands still for a pilot in a craft as well as a bending or folding of the fabric of space.If one uses the above equation such as distance being say,100 light years divided by time which Lazar claims is zero.We now have division by zero. which my computer calculates velocity as being equal to " overflow division by zero 1.701418346042D+38" this to me represents a infinite number. Why didn't Lazar use an example like this.Once we have some mathematical proof and other testimony to verify his claims th whole story will be much more concrete. Secondly, we have a very interesting situation concerning the MJ12 documents. I really think SOME of what Bill Cooper said is true. Example, the governments disinformation campain.Who has the time,money, or resources to undertake such a task. The government of course. Most of the claims of Bill Cooper, John Lear and even Bill Moore can be correlated to one another and from other people.I am not defending any of these people, but I feel their claims deserve at least some consideration if not futher research to substantiate them. A quote from Wilbert B. Smith from 1950 "The matter is most highly classified in the United States, rating even higher than the H-bomb There modus operandi is unknown but concentrated effort is being made by a small group headed by Doctor Vannevar Bush.Certain samples have been forwarded to me in Canada from Washington for analysis and that after analysis I was to return the samples to a super secret group in Washington.And that group was higher than the CIA.Is this group the so called MAJI? Is this super secret group headed by Doctor Vannevar Bush MJ12? Is all of the information from the above mentioned people a GREAT disinformation project? A lot of questions and no definite answers. It would really be a shame if we accepted or ignored to willingly somthing that might or might not be of great inportance to the UFO research community. Maybe this is what the government wants, diversion,distraction,and confusion taking the attention off the truth. Or maybe what the human mind won't accept the POSSIBLE TRUTH. Hopefully time will procure the truth. ALL COMMENTS WELCOMED!!!!! -- David Blaker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Blaker@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************