Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 141 Thursday, February 1st 1990 Today's Topics: Yup, balanced. Where Are They Now? Cold Fusion/antigravity OZTRAIN Dr. Dan Overlade Mysterious fireballs Mysterious fireballs Face, yet again Re: Where Are They Now? Robert Lazar's Alien Element 115 Re: Skeptomania is cool Re: Mars Face Re: Skeptics Dr. Dan Overlade Mysterious fireballs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Yup, balanced. Date: 30 Jan 90 07:27:00 GMT > Jim, are you complacent with the current situation? By and large, yes. Its only in the field of UFOs that I see things bogging down unnecessarily. OK, Loch Ness seems to be another area that is getting very short shrift. But other than that, I think skepticism vs. believerism is as natural as Democrat vs. Republican. > Hard-line > skepticism > continues to damage the human race by making it increasingly > difficult > to investigate and report on ANY new and unusual research. And, > like I > was trying to imply in my last posting, the CSICOP type of > skepticism is > FASHIONABLE. Well, yes and no. Yes in the sense that CSICOP is gaining a whole bunch of followers, but no in the sense that I don't think there is one "CSICOP" type of skepticism. Within that organization, despite the unified face it shows us, there is a wide range of disagreement on policy, investigative modes, and even what is and is not "established." However, some of the newer converts to CSICOP do seem to be very "rah-rah" hero-worshippers who don't seem to realize that skepticism can and should be applied to itself. > > This skepticism cannot even stand up to its own scrutiny. > The debunkers are often WRONG, serving only to slow down the > advancement > of science. I am against the idea of SPEED LIMITS on the hiway of > science. First, I disagree that the debunkers are often wrong. I find it singularly frustrating how often they are right. I LIKE a good mystery, but they all too often SUCCEED in taking the mystery out of a lot of these things. One or two of the skeptics in particular have unimpressive track records, but on the whole, they're just a damn smart bunch of dudes. Irritating, smug, cocky, self-satisfied...but damn smart. Second, I HATE the idea of a speed limit on science. I want everything solved in my lifetime. And people in hell want ice water. Too bad. Science, whether we like it or not, is slow, plodding, methodical...and eventually gets the job done. The cold fusion fiasco is a perfect example of what happens when science is rushed. To misquote Winston Churchill, science is probably the WORST method of obtaining knowledge of the universe...except for all the others. > -+A true skeptic does NOT assume you are lying. He is simply > satisfied > -+that the universe possesses a logical order, that that order > manifests > -+itself in the form of empirical evidence, and that he is under > no > -+obligation to commit himself to believing anything unless > empirical > -+evidence exists in its favor. > This is the propaganda they want you to believe. Really? Well, they've succeeded . Seriously, I said a "true" skeptic, not the kind that pays lip service to these lofty ideals, then turns around and has a good chuckle with his buddy about all the mush-headed UFO believers. > Skeptics (both > men and > women:-), want you to think of skepticism as the scientific > method. It is > not. The scientific method is the scientific method and it stands > on its > own without any amendments. Oh contraire. The scientific method and skepticism go hand in hand. One is an expression of the other. Keith, again, I'm on your side in a lot of ways. Remember, I'm the guy that founded ParaNet in order to build a bridge between the two camps. I see a lot of what you see - the pomposity, the smugness, etc., but in its purest form, viewed as a philosophy or an approach and not as a dogma or political movement, skepticism is a very useful tool. > > On a different note, I just saw the Billy Meier video this > weekend. > This is very interesting. What is he doing now? Enjoying a hefty income from the tape you viewed. > Is he still > alive? Very. Unfortunately, so is his case. Apparently, its one of those that will probably never die. Now if you want a good example of where skepticism can be of great use... > What about this program on TV about the strange circles in the > grass > in Britain? I understand there will be something on Unsolved Mysteries this Wednesday night. That one's a real corker to me, too, although something tells me it does have a prosaic explanation. "UFOs" would just be too easy... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Where Are They Now? Date: 30 Jan 90 07:34:00 GMT > Does anyone have the current address and phone number of NICAP? A > friend > asked me to check on this as it would be a local call for me, but > when I > phone, I get a law firm. The address she gave me was 5012 Del Ray > Avenue, > Washington, DC, 301-654-8091. The phone number is wrong in any > case > because the DC area code is 202. Maryland is 301. Your address is correct, its just a little out of date. NICAP kicked the bucket about 15 years ago. Its files were absorbed by CUFOS, its membership disbanded. -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Cold Fusion/antigravity Date: 30 Jan 90 07:38:00 GMT > I think that these are two examples of anomalistic and > non-traditional physics being published in reputable, reviewed > journals and being taken seriously by the physics community which > seems not to be as hidebound or close-minded as often thought. > Only time and more work will tell if this work or its > predecessors hold up. ---John But John, what will this say about the public whipping P&F took from the scientific community after the first wave of publicity? Or is it that, no matter what the outcome, P&F were naughty for holding a press conference so quickly. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: OZTRAIN Date: 31 Jan 90 01:42:00 GMT > > This is an excellent example of how ParaNet can serve to pass on > information that would not otherwise become available. It sure is, and we're lovin' every minute of it here in the states. See that, gang? THIS is what we're about - NETWORKING!! Bob, Vlad, David, Keith, please keep us updated on the OZTRAIN incident. If you guys are familiar with our rating system (S vs. P), I'd like to know what kind of preliminary rating you assign this case. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Dr. Dan Overlade Date: 31 Jan 90 07:00:00 GMT Recently, I received word that Dr. Dan Overlade had passed away. For those that are not aware of this name, Dr. Overlade was involved in abduction research in Gulf Breeze, Florida. He was the psychologist that worked with Ed Walters on his now infamous Gulf Breeze UFO incidents. Dr. Overlade became very heavily involved in this research following Ed's experiences. The reason for this posting is to clear up a few things. I have heard from several people that Dr. Overlade's death was under mysterious circumstances. He apparently died suddenly over the Christmas last after what was relayed to me a "mysterious illness." As an interested reporter I made inquiries into this and found quite the opposite. Dr. Overlade was in poor health following a severe heart attack a few years back. A couple of bypass surgeries were performed on him, however the damage done to his heart was too advanced. During last Thanksgiving, he apparently suffered a heart attack and was immediately hospitalized. Shortly thereafter, he developed pneumonia. After a good battle with this complication, he died. As was told to me, he died under quite natural circumstances and there was nothing mysterious about his death. This information was told to me by reliable sources. With that in mind, I would like to also say that the UFO community will miss him. I had an opportunity to meet him personally at a workshop in Aspen, Colorado in October, however because of circumstances beyond my control, I did not make it. Although I had never had the opportunity to talk with him by telephone, I understand that he was performing important work with other abductees. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Mysterious fireballs Date: 31 Jan 90 08:42:00 GMT Recently there has been a flood of reports about fireballs in the night sky. They have been seen in Denver and other parts of the United States. While I am inclined to believe that they are meteorites, I am concerned about the reported colors and movements of some of them. In the early 50s, green fireballs were reported in large numbers in the sky in New Mexico. Dr. Lincoln LaPaz gave this subject a great deal of study and was very perplexed by the same things that raise my interest now -- the color and the movements. Below is an article provided by Paul Faeder regarding the lights over the East Coast the other day. This is an AP story. I would like to hear from our scientific members about this and some idea of what this could be attributed to. ========================================================== STRANGE LIGHT LIGHTS UP EAST COAST SWITCHBOARDS "We are quite confident it was not a manmade object re-entering. We have no idea what it was." -Major Dick Adam NORAD PR officer. WASHINGTON (AP) - Thousands of people in the Eastern United States reported seeing a strange bluish-green light in the sky Saturday night which some experts said could have been an unusually large meteorite. "We are quite confident it was not a manmade object re-entering," said Maj. Dick Adam, public affairs officer for the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) in Colorado Springs, Colorado. "We have no idea what it was." Robert Gribble of the National UFO reporting Center in Seattle, a private group, reported receiving dozens of calls. "Based on descriptions that have been given, I'd say we're dealing with a very large solid, a very large meteor," said Gribble. "Description run from a blue-green to a bright gereen coming down in an angular descent leaving a short tail behind it," said Gribble. He said everyone who had telephoned the center described the object, "as coming down and hitting the ground in their area, which is very common in something like this." Among the people who reported seeing the object was David Arnold, an area air traffic control supervisor at Dulles Airport, where the sighting occurred at 7:10 pm EST. "We don't know exactly what it was, a meteor or a satellite," said Arnold, who has been an air traffic controller for 25 years. "It lasted 25 to 30 seconds and went from brilliant white to an orange as it broke up. "We've seen things like this before, but much higher. This was quite brilliant. It appeared to have dissipated completely." However, not all witnesses saw the object change color and appear to disappear. A television reporter in Oak Hill, W. Va,. one of the places where there was a flurry of initial sightings was at the home of one of the first witnesses nearly three hours after the initial sighting and reported the light was still hovering in the sky. Kitty Harrison, assignment editor for WOAY-TV in Oak Hill, W.Va., said what she saw was "absolutely not" a meteorite. "I've seen meteorites before and this doesn't resemble the type of meteorite I've seen," she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from the home of Elizabeth Gray and her son, Chris, in Stanford, West Va. "What we are seeing is a very bright bluish white object that appears to be moving downward toward the horizon in an erratic spiraling motion," Harrison told the AP. "It is very slow. You have to keep your eye fixed to something stationary in order to see it's progress." Chris Gray, 13, was carrying firewood to the house when he saw the object. "I saw the sky light up for the meteorite and then about half an hour later I saw what I'll call a UFO, and then when the television called me back they told me to tape it on my cam corder and while we were taping it was changing colors and it started seperating and going back together again," said Chris Gray. Among the witnesses in the Washington area was Andrew Guthrie, a news editor at the Voice of America since 1983. "It was a dramatic thing to see," said Guthrie. "I almost drove off the road." He said the object appeared to be "three-or-four times treetop level" and about the size of a grapefruit with an "incandescent bright light at the center like a magnesium flare." An AP reporter walking along Pennsylvania Avenue in the Foggy Bottom section of Washington recalled thinking initially that it was some type manmade firework similar to flares shot in the sky on the Fourth of July because it was very bright and distinct, appeared to be moving across the sky at about the same speed typical of such displays, seemed to have a tail and appeared to be low enough to have been shot from the balcony of one of the multistory apartment buildings in the area. However, the light remained on a flat trajectory, moving rapidly across the sky without fading. Sightings were reported from an area ranging from West Virginia and, along the Eastern Seaboard, from Virgina to New York. -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Mysterious fireballs Date: 31 Jan 90 08:47:00 GMT In followup to the Fireballs article, I wanted to relate an experience that I had a few weeks back. Actually, it was before Christmas by about three weeks. While driving home from the coffee shop I noticed a bright burst of white light over the downtown area of Denver. The burst was like a firework display going off. At first, I thought that it was a firework, however there was absolutely no color to it. I did not see it come in -- only explode. It appeared to be very low to the ground, however this judgment could be flawed due to the lack of time involved with focusing on it -- it was gone almost instantly. I have attributed this to a meteor, however I am interested in knowing if this type of behavior is normal for a meteor entering the atmosphere and making it relatively close to the ground. Would there be no color? Would there not be a sound associated with this? Also, I realize that we are in a period of meteorite activity, however, there seems to be a lot of the large ones being seen. Is this normal? Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mailrus!uunet!crdos1.crd.ge.com!davidsen Subject: Face, yet again Date: 31 Jan 90 12:16:30 GMT A few comments on some of the comments in this history -+ -+ A VERY BRIEF CHRONOLOGY OF THE INDEPENDENT MARS INVESTIGATION 1. On Cairo. First a ref. to the Pharohs, -+ Hoagland observes that the stripes on the "helmet" of the face -+ bear an uncanny resemblance to those of the Egyptian Pharaohs; -+ dialogue among the team reveals that "Cairo" is a western -+ transliteration of "El Kahira," which, in Arabic, mean "Mars." and then a ref. to 500,000 BC as a date when things would line up to show the sunrise directly over the face. -+ He then discovers what appears to be a "marker" at the City's exact -+ lateral center that looks like a target or cross-hairs. He dubs this -+ the "City Square" and notices that a hypothetical observer standing -+ at this point would see: a) the best possible profile view of the -+ Face, and b) the Summer solstice sunrise, beyond the Face. Since -+ Mars' axis wobbles over a million-year cycle, the solstice sunrise -+ would have been seen directly over the eyes of the Face about 1/2 -+ million BC. These facts don't seem to correlate very well. If you assume that (a) the face is an artifact, and (b) that a race which could build something of that size would still find the solstice important enough for an undertaking of that size, then you have to disregard the Pharoh connection or the solstice connection. They are just too far apart. I suppose if you can postulate all this you can believe in a time machine which looked forward to the days of the pharohs. 2. All the math... -+ Hoagland and Torun announce that they have begun to decode the -+ "mathematical message of Cydonia" which hinges on the redundancy of -+ e/pi and e/sqrt 5 observed in the D&M Pyramid and elsewhere. It's easy to find pi relationships in any regular polygon, or anything which approximates one. People wondered for years about the pi relations in the pyramids until they found more info on the construction and realized that measurements of distance had been made by rolling a roller of a fixed diameter. I find it hard to believe that if some entity wanted to leave a message that they would not just leave a message. If you take almost anything you can find some relationships after you look hard enough. If you studied all the other Mars pictures with the same intensity I suspect you could find other relationships in other frames. Perhaps large rocks in a straight line with the distance increasing by .305, which is Mickey Mantle's lifetime batting average (I think). 3. More math... -+ Merton Davies, planetary geographer at the RAND corporation -+ confirms that the D&M Pyramid sits astride north latitude 40.87 -+ degrees, whose tangent equals e/pi, a value discovered repeatedly by -+ Torun in the angles of the object itself. So what? There is no evidence of anything but happenstance here. 4. Statistics... -+ Hoagland and Torun calculate that if the chance of a given -+ "coincidence" at Cydonia is multiplied by the chance of the *next* -+ coincidence, and so on, the net chance of a completely natural -+ origin for this complex is less than one in several trillion. This is totally bogus. The chance of any single lottery number coming up is (depending on the state) about 8 million to one, but they pick one every week. If you look at the area photographed and the variety of things found, then you can calculate the probabilty of finding such a thing. The odds of several trillion may be correct, but how many trillion areas of that size are there on Mars? Without that info this is just half a fact. 5. The meaning of the five sided figure -+ He also obtains low-contrast reproductions of the "pyramid" and -+ determines that it has not four sides but five, mimicking the form -+ of a human figure with outstretched arms. Why yes, any pentagon can be interpreted that way. Lots of them occur in nature. Maybe the fact that some crystals have five sides is a message from somewhere? Hogwash. The pyramid looks most like a Chrysler emblem, perhaps the face is Lee Iococca. 6. A good summary at last -+ After more than six months of research and dialogue the team -+ presents its findings at the "Case for Mars" conference at the -+ University of Colorado at Boulder. -+ -+ Their paper echoes D&M's conclusions: "Provocative and deserves -+ further investigation." Now that's a reasonable approach. To conclude that it would be interesting to study is exactly right. It will undoubtedly provide a great deal of information, *but so would any other area of Mars*. I find most of the conclusions in this matter to be based on looking until something is found. What does pi/sqrt(5) prove? If the ratios had been e/sqrt(7) would that show that it was a natural formation? Or would people have switched to that as an obvious sign of unnatural origin? If the tangent of e/pi or whatever didn't fit, would the hyperbolic arcosecant of e/sqrt(21) been touted as significant? 7. and my conclusions This stuff stands on its own as being interesting and a possible target for more investigation. To analyze the photo and look for relationships and messages is bad science. We don't know what signs of alien artifice are, so looking for them is not very productive, although you can take whatever you find, convince yourself that it means something, and then write a book about it. That doesn't mean you're wrong... just that you are guessing rather than deducing. I am fairly sure that I know what's really happening about a coverup, and if I'm right this will be back in the headlines in no less than two nor mor than five years. Time will tell. -- bill davidsen (davidsen@crdos1.crd.GE.COM -or- uunet!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen) "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Komar Subject: Re: Where Are They Now? Date: 31 Jan 90 07:02:00 GMT In a message to All <01-29-90 18:55> infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com wrote: in=>Also, does anyone have current address/phone information on in=>CUFO and MUFON? Walt Andrus, International Director of MUFON can be reached at 512-379-9216, 103 Oldtowne Road, Seguin, Texas 78155. Regards, John -- John Komar - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Komar@p0.f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robert.Klinn Subject: Robert Lazar's Alien Element 115 Date: 31 Jan 90 23:06:00 GMT >According to an article in the May 1989, Scientific American, by the >scientists who have synthesized 106, 107, 108, and 109, the atomic >weight of the isotope of 115 expected to be most stable is 291, >but their graph suggests it could be as high as 299. A couple of nights ago, talk show host Billy Goodman, KVEG-AM 840 Radio in Las Vegas, said Robert Lazar recently told him that the atomic weight of the alien Element 115 is "271." -- Robert Klinn - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Robert.Klinn@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Skeptomania is cool Date: 31 Jan 90 17:10:00 GMT >>Free speech cuts both ways. Thanks for your well thought out post on that subject. I have lost count of the number of times I have been beaten upon for having the audacity to offer a counter-viewpoint to someones cherished beliefs. For some reason a Believer in Astrology is perfectly free to ramble on and on about how wonderful it is but someone who offers the opposite opinion is considered to be committing some sort of social and moral sin by "offending" the beleivers belief. It seems like the more irrational the belief, the stronger the "taboo" toward criticism is. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Mars Face Date: 31 Jan 90 17:41:00 GMT I'm afraid that you are confusing revising history with revising science or adding to our knowledge. The face on mars is not going to suddenly cause us to realize that water doesn't freeze at 32 degrees, or that like magnets really don't repeal, or that gasoline really doesn't catch fire. Some scientists may be forced to change their opinions but, in and of itself, proof positive of the face being artifical, will not have much effect at all on what we "know" aside from that one fact and the implications and new ideas that will spring from it. There are already a fair number of people who seem to be convinced that the face is of artifical origin but I haven't seen it having all that much effect on thier lives. Lets say we do get proof tomarrow. It is front page news. Will that mean you quit you job? Why? Will that mean people stream into the churches? WHy would they when so many had no problem dealing with "Chariots of the Gods" and its "proof" of long ago alien visits right here on earth. Why would the sort of conditional proof we may someday get about the face be all that much different. With the scenerio *may* someday play out in terms of the proof of the artifical origin of the face, I just can't see it as having that much immediate impact. That is, we are not dealing with an instance of, say, waking up one morning and reading that scientists have found a massive structure on the surface of the moon that clearly is new and artifical and visible thru hobbiest telescopes. We are dealing with something that has already been on the publics mind for a few years and that the proof, if there ever is any, will be at best, slightly ambiguous, at least initially, since it will be based on flyby photos with on-site sampleing many decades away. In my *opinion* people are mucbetter at accepting such things then you are giving them credit for; a million year old artifact isn't going to affect the shine on their BMW so they aren't going to get too worked up about it. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Skeptics Date: 31 Jan 90 17:48:00 GMT You say the establishment stands clear of UFO's and martian objects. While I think there is some basis for the part about UFO's, just what would you like the establishment to do in regard to the martian objects?? Aside from a trip back to mars, which is a little outside th budget of most researchers, just what research should the local university be engaged in with regard to the face, that would add anything to what has already been done? I think you are condeming the establishment for failing to do something that is clearly impossible. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Dr. Dan Overlade Date: 1 Feb 90 00:11:00 GMT Thanks for clearing that up, Mike. We need to "clear the air" as much as possible and take the mystery-mongering out of this field. By the way, Saucer Smear also reported Overlade's death as "mysterious." As usual, we're two steps ahead of the competition.... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Mysterious fireballs Date: 1 Feb 90 00:23:00 GMT Mike: Based on the observations of the air traffic controller, who said the thing lasted for 25-30 seconds, I'd say what we have is a very bright and long-lived meteor. The people who reported seeing it hover for three hours and slowly "spiral" towards the horizon were no doubt looking at a bright star, probably Capella. The lady who said it was "absolutely not a meteor" could be absolutely wrong. I'd never seen a bright meteor or bolide until I lived here in Arizona, and now I've seen about six of them. God only knows how many different types of natural objects stand in the path of our orbiting planet, and God only knows how strange some of them might occasionally appear. As to the color green, I was never able to see what is so strange about green fireballs, and why meteors that appear green ever deserved so much attention, LaPaz's work notwithstanding. I've seen a green fireball myself. It shone through the east-facing window of my old house in Fountain Hills, arced vertically towards the ground, and fizzled out. Except for the color, which was a highly incandescent green, it looked like every other meteor I've ever seen. I hate to be a spoil-sport, but this one's an S1 in my book. Maybe some of the more scientific types here can straighten me out on why meteors shouldn't be green? 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