Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 150 Monday, February 12th 1990 Today's Topics: 1940's crash in LA. Re: skepticism and science Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Re: To John Komar from Keith Rowell Re: skepticism and science Re: skepticism and science Re: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty Russian UFOs Reich Re: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty Greenhouse effect Re: Skepticism And Science 1940's crash in LA. PhilEx Video Re: 1940's crash in LA. Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Re: Newsletter's 145,146 A Current Affair.. Where are they now? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Winston.Mccain Subject: 1940's crash in LA. Date: 8 Feb 90 19:30:00 GMT Does anyone have any info on the late 40's crash in Louisiana that is referenced by the memo with J.E. Hoovers note ? I would like to research more into this crash. -- Winston Mccain - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Winston.Mccain@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: skepticism and science Date: 9 Feb 90 01:13:00 GMT Human learning is confused with accepted labels of explanation. Such as UFOs must follow accepted guidelines to be real. Perhaps there is a reality curve of acceptance wn't based on observations. I'm sure that in you experience you've seen things which just fit too neatly to be an accident. However, in all cases sciences requires a reason for neat fits. Maybe, there is an intelligence playing with us because weare so easy to confuse. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Date: 9 Feb 90 01:15:00 GMT There were three landings in North Alabama not covered. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Date: 9 Feb 90 19:44:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <02-08-90 18:15> Ray Griffin wrote: RG> There were three landings in North Alabama not covered. Tell me, did they happen to be at or near an airport ? ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Date: 10 Feb 90 18:11:00 GMT I don't think there is an airport in that rural area. Landings have been hushed up so as to not draw attention to that area again. One guy tied dogs to all corners of his house, but they landed anyway. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Komar Subject: Re: To John Komar from Keith Rowell Date: 10 Feb 90 18:59:00 GMT In a message to All <02-04-90 18:53> infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com wrote: in=>From: infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com in=>Date: 4 Feb 90 20:12:38 GMT in=>Message-ID: <2829@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> in=>Newsgroups: info.paranet in=> in=>From: keithr@tolkien.wv.tek.com in=>I apologize to the rest of the mailing list, but John Komar in=>and I just in=>can't seem to find each other's email addresses. in=>Keith Rowell Keith, if you receive this message, send me a FIDO node I can netmail you at. John -- John Komar - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Komar@p0.f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Reuben.Michaels Subject: Re: skepticism and science Date: 11 Feb 90 08:17:13 GMT I'll have to look that up. As I said it was the only time known that a judge in America ordered notes and records destroyed, and they actually were. This was about 1955 or 57 so things were pretty small minded then and the doctors had much sway and Reich was in trouble with the AMA having made claims that the orgone chamber would cure "incurable diseases" so lots of wealthy people were coming to him and being treated when they had terminal cancer etc, and giving him lots of money. I'll find out the grounds for the destroying of records and get back to you. ***Best, Reuben*** -- Reuben Michaels - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Reuben.Michaels@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Reuben.Michaels Subject: Re: skepticism and science Date: 11 Feb 90 08:21:41 GMT Reich had a way of measuring the "field" around different substances, and was interested in the "fields" arounokd radioactive substances as well. The personal notes and records were destroyed, but of course the books that had been published could not be collected and destroyed, but the notes and stuff for the next books were destroyed. I will find out what the grounds used by the judge. There's a fellow in Northern California named Dr. James Demeo who continues some of the work of Reich with the "cloudbuster" and he has had some beneficial results. ***Best, Reuben*** -- Reuben Michaels - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Reuben.Michaels@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty Date: 11 Feb 90 08:01:00 GMT I don't think there was a CIA in 1948 for George Bush to be in charge of. I think he was head of the CIA in the 70's. If there was a CIA in 48 perhaps Vannavar Bush was head of it. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Russian UFOs Date: 11 Feb 90 17:29:00 GMT > "Mr. Abel would also like to take credit fo the aliens in Russia > last > summer. He claims he had been sitting around in the caboose [his > office in his back yard] worrying that they didn't have any fun in > Russia, and that there had never been a U.F.O. spotted there, so > he > sent detailed plans for a spaceship and aliens to a couple of > Russians > he had listed in his hoax-lovers Rolodex." Stephen: Its my opinion that Abel's claim to the media of being behind the Voronezh hoax, IS IN ITSELF ANOTHER HOAX ON THE MEDIA. Abel gave some details on the plans he sent to Russia on ABC's 20/20. NONE of the elements he listed were seen in the Voronezh case, and in fact were so hokey (a tape recorder playing the "Twilight Zone" theme) that almost anyone else would pick up on it. Yet, so far I haven't seen the press "debunking" Abel's latest claim. I think Abel has successfully shown how gullible the media is in thinking that "any" explanation of a UFO sighting is better than considering the possibility that its real. (By the way, I consider Voronezh a hoax, but for reasons totally unrelated to Abel's claim). Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Reich Date: 11 Feb 90 17:41:00 GMT John: I agree with you that the government has a duty to protect the public from medical quackery (and has been highly derelict in its duty, of late). I'm not for or against Reich at this point, not knowing much about him, and I defer to your learned statements about the efficacy of "orgone energy". I was really just curious as to what justification was used to actually destroy someone's published works and personal notes. If I may be so bold, it sounds to me as if the book-burning was the act that made Wilhelm Reich a household name today, thereby achieving the opposite of the desired effect. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty Date: 11 Feb 90 17:45:00 GMT > I don't think there was a CIA in 1948 for George Bush to be in > charge of. I think he was head of the CIA in the 70's. If there > was a CIA in 48 perhaps Vannavar Bush was head of it. The CIA was created 17 Sept 1947 by Harry Truman (the same date as the phony "Truman MJ-12 letter"). One of the MJ-12 people, as I recall, was its first head, but I can't remember which. I think the writer meant "1984". Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.com Subject: Greenhouse effect Date: 12 Feb 90 04:50:40 GMT Does anyone with access to earth models have any idea if they indicate the hurricanes in Englang and Europe? I don't recall winds of this magnitude, and it certainly seems that they don't have a sat. weather watch to help prepare for them. Speculation is okay, but I'd really like to hear from someone who can look at the model output, if such a person gets this list, of any reader has access to the output. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Skepticism And Science Date: 12 Feb 90 04:06:00 GMT Hi Reuben. Well, the fellow in California who's fooling around with "cloudbusters" is fortunate indeed if all the effects are beneficial. I understand the original "cloudbuster" and several of Reich's other inventions involved dangerously concentrated Uranium 238 and Pitchblend concoctions. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: 1940's crash in LA. Date: 11 Feb 90 19:28:00 GMT > Does anyone have any info on the late 40's crash in Louisiana that > is referenced by the memo with J.E. Hoovers note ? I would like > to research more into this crash. Winston, that memo is a matter of some controversy. Fact is, it is not known just what "LA" refers to. For the benefit of others, Winston is talking about a memorandum signed by J. Edgar Hoover and released thru FOIA, in which Hoover is responding to an order for certain branches of the government to cooperate with the Army Air Corps on UFO crash/retrievals. Hoover responds, (paraphrasing), "I would do it, but would demand access to all disks recovered. For instance, in the LA crash, the Army would not give us access." I don't remember whether there are periods after "L" and "A", but I seem to recall there were. Its been postulated that parts of the Roswell disk were taken to Los Alamos for examination. I've never heard of a "Los Angeles" disk crash, nor of one in Louisiana. 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(Arizona residents, please add 6.7% sales tax to the subtotal). ________________________________________________________________________ -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: 1940's crash in LA. Date: 12 Feb 90 01:01:00 GMT It is not at all clear that the "it" was a real disk or a Hoax disk being referred to in the Hoover Memo. Presumably, if they wouldn't let the FBI have access to a fake one they certainly wouldn't let them have access to a real one and Hoover would likely be miffed. Hoover might also have been in the dark about the truth of the supposed reality of the recovered disks and merely been speculating that there had been a recovery. It is a somewhat ambiguous memo. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Date: 11 Feb 90 15:17:00 GMT In a message to Bryon Smith <02-10-90 11:11> Ray Griffin wrote: RG> I don't think there is an airport in that rural area. RG> Landings have been hushed up so as to not draw attention to RG> that area again. One guy tied dogs to all corners of his RG> house, but they landed anyway. I doubt that dogs would bother them don't you ? ;-) Anyway, these people are not wanting the attention that Gulf Breeze got. They know if they publicize it they will have reporters and everyone there to investigate it, and some will be calling them "kooks" and such and no one wants that. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Newsletter's 145,146 Date: 11 Feb 90 14:12:00 GMT Are you related to the Sanborn family which founded Sanborn medical, the fore-runner of Hewlett Packard's medical Div. I knew Dr. Miller in years past if so. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: A Current Affair.. Date: 12 Feb 90 01:44:06 GMT In a message of <09 Feb 90 23:57>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes: >Marcello Truzzi was on A Current Affair? Yes; for maybe about 1 minute. The show devoted about 15 minutes to the UFO phenomena, but on all aspects. Each aspect (Roswell, the Japan video, abductions, Bud Hopkins etc) was covered in about 1 or 2 minutes. You didn't miss much if anything. I wanted to tape the show but the cable TV went out about 5 minutes before the show started broadcasting out of Scranton (5 PM) and returned about 10 minutes after the New York broadcast ended (8:10 PM). -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!David.Blaker Subject: Where are they now? Date: 12 Feb 90 06:16:41 GMT i> From: infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com i> Date: 29 Jan 90 18:17:53 GMT i> Message-ID: <2762@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> i> Newsgroups: info.paranet i> From: ZAK@cu.nih.gov i> Does anyone have the current address and phone number of NICAP? A fri i> asked me to check on this as it would be a local call for me, but when i> phone, I get a law firm. The address she gave me was 5012 Del Ray Ave i> Washington, DC, 301-654-8091. The phone number is wrong in any case i> because the DC area code is 202. Maryland is 301. i> Also, does anyone have current address/phone information on CUFO and M i> Thanks in advance. i> * Origin: Paranet(sm) - The world's most important computer network i> (1:30163/1 The address and phone number to CUFOS and MUFON is: MUFON MUTUAL UFO NETWORK 103 OLDTOWNE ROAD SEGUIN, TEXAS 78155-4099 CUFOS CENTER FOR UFO STUDY 2457 WEST PETERSON AVENUE CHICAGO, ILLINOIS 60659 The phone numbers are: MUFON : 512-379-9216 CUFOS : 312-271-3611 Dave. -- David Blaker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Blaker@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************