Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 152 Thursday, February 15th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Videotapes Skeptics Cows Cold Fusion/antigravity Circles - News From Ufora Krill files.. "LA", Reich, & Alabama comments Bush and CIA UFO crash rate question Replies Mutilations Krill files.. Re: Skepticism And Science Re: 1940's Crash In La. CIRCLES Strange Rings in Britain Cold Fusion/antigravity Krill files.. "LA", Reich, & Alabama comments UFO crash rate question Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Re: New Affiliates Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Re: 1940's Crash In La. Re: Skeptics Cows ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Re: Videotapes Date: 14 Feb 90 08:11:00 GMT > I know the feeling. Ahem, can I ask what tapes you > are referring to?? The Robert Lazar/KLAS tape of the broadcast in November in Las Vegas, Nevada. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Skeptics Date: 14 Feb 90 08:15:00 GMT > Here is a puzzle for our American Paranet users only - > Is there a Tasmanian Devil? > First correct answer from an American user gets an all- > expenses paid > trip to Alpha Centauri (wherever that is). Where are my damn encyclopedias when I need them? -:) Yes, there is Tasmanian Devil. I don't recall its genus exactly, but... Now, about that trip to Alpha Centauri..... Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Cows Date: 14 Feb 90 08:17:00 GMT > One thing puzzles me about all the cattle mutilation > messages on Paranet. > They all seem to happen in the USA only. I've never > heard of them > happening in Europe or Australia. I will get the files out and let you know about this one, however I do know that mutilations have occurred in Canada and some European countries. More to follow. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Cold Fusion/antigravity Date: 14 Feb 90 08:20:00 GMT > I don't like to say this, but you addressed your last > message to someone called INFOPARA@SCICOM.ALPHACDC.COM. > I thought Tasmanians abused the English language, but > are you in communication with an alien or something? The addressing that you refer to is the addressing utilized by the UUCP network. This network has expanded the coverage of ParaNet tremendously and places us at the desks of some of the the finest researchers and scientific minds around. The strangeness of the address is due to the type of addressing that is necessary to get messages between domains. This is the fault of the software and as time goes, it will improve to the point that you will be able to reply to the author of a UUCP message directly without the cryptic encoding. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Circles - News From Ufora Date: 14 Feb 90 08:22:00 GMT Great report, Vladimir! Our appreciation to Bill and Keith too. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Don.Allen Subject: Krill files.. Date: 12 Feb 90 08:08:00 GMT Hello folks, The other day I came across some older files from various UFO sources, some were from the long defunct "Starport" board up in Conn and others. I happenned to run across this batch from a guy called O. H. Krill who had written a 4 part series (about 100k or so). The files are dated around 1987 or 1988. There were several references to John Keel in them and thy were written in the vein of John Lear "by the time that the public sees the UFO's land..it will be too late as the Greys will have long ago taken over" etc,etc. Can anyone enlighten me as to who Mr. Krill is and what kind of research record that he has? Same for John Keel (I seem to see his name pop up once in awhile). I can only assume (I hate that word) that the Krill files have long ago been discussed here and I would like to know the consensus of them. On another note, I don't know whether it's my perception of synchronicity or just my latent paranoia kicking in but I do find it odd that Mr Bush is taking his drug battle to Columbia and I just read in Mr Krill's report (ok,so I'm late in reading it) that Bushis implicated in the drug running as the (then) CIA head honcho.. I also read (but having a hard time swallowing) in Neal Wilgus's book "The Illuminoids" of the various UFO scenarios involving the SS/Nazi's and the transfer of General Gehlen (head of Nazi Intelligence) to the US and the involvements of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Bilderburg group with the post WWII re-grouping of "intelligence" organizations; ie,the CIA and later the NSA. On the face of it,seems like there's some connections here,but I don't know for sure. Does anyone have any info on this? And why would the Govt go to all this trouble in the last 40 or so years to cover up, even to the extent of creating the NSA (as Krill claims) to be it's major arm in the suppression of the existence of the UFO's AND at the same time; by LAW release documents under the FOIA act that they must surely know will point out the LIES that they have for so long been telling us? What the hell is really going on here? Has our *own* Govt sold us out to the Greys???? What kind of mockery is this when Our Constitition isn't even valid against the wiles of the NSA? -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil (Will Martin) Subject: "LA", Reich, & Alabama comments Date: 14 Feb 90 15:21:23 GMT Comments on the latest Paranet Digest: "LA" as an abbreviation for "Louisiana" is far more *recent* than "the late 40's" mentioned in the initial posted query. The two-letter state abbreviations were a US Post Office invention imposed on the public sometime around when ZIP codes were invented, and caused much comment, resentment, and confusion at the time. I *think* that was in the '60s but cannot recall for sure. Any reference to "LA" (with or without periods, but with both letters capitalized) in the 1940's timeframe would HAVE to be a city like Los Alamos or Los Angeles, as another poster mentioned, or some other locale where those initials would mean something -- perhaps a military base name? "Latin America" is also possible, but is too vague a term to make much sense in the context. ****** "Wilhelm Reich" is "a household name" today? Perhaps in *your* house! I know about him because of things I've read related to his radio-related activities and medical weirdnesses, but I am fairly certain my wife, who is a fairly well-read person, would not recognize his name. As for being recognized generally, I sincerely doubt it. Given the recent news reports on how poorly Americans do on recognizing historical figures or geography, the only "household names" these days are rock stars and people who have been in today's newspaper headlines! ****** Tying dogs to the corners of your house is supposed to prevent UFO landings? What was the guy trying to keep away? Space mailmen? Regards, Will Martin -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gross@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) Subject: Bush and CIA Date: 14 Feb 90 18:22:04 GMT -+From: isis!uunet!sparta!sun!root (Operator) -+Subject: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty Ed: interesting post. Don't take my response here as a negative one. I found some of the information not quite correct and hope you don't mind if I correct it here. Also, you seem to have access to information that I haven't seen. Could you please quote your sources as appropriate? I was sick for a day so I was unable to get this off in a timely manner. Sorry. 8-( President Bush was head of the CIA in the 1970s. The CIA was formed in 1947 using personnel from OSS, the WWII spooks and sabateurs. Prior to that time, foriegn intelligence was gathered by a variety of groups, but there wasn't a single intelligence agency in the United States. Additional OSS assets were used in forming the early Special Forces groups. This OSS link caused the Special Forces to have a unique relationship with the CIA. The Mr. Bush you might be thinking of is a Mr. V. Bush. I think he did in fact take over as head of CIA from "Wild" Bill Donnovan. Bill was the head of OSS and the first head of CIA. CIA was Bill's child. The use of drug money to finance CIA operations has long been a subject of rumor and circumstantial evidence. I say this because so far no one has been able to offer evidence concrete enough to bring about Congressional action. I know several people who have been trying to piece togather all the pieces to present a sufficient case to Congress that would initiate a Congressional investigation. But as with most things of this nature involving the CIA, there is no real trail of written orders to follow. It often looks like rogue agents are off doing their own thing to line their own pockets using Company contacts. Neat cover for "sanctioned" ops. As for NSA confirming any of this, personally I have to take what the NSA says with a grain of salt. Same with any of the intelligence groups, CIA, DIA, ONI, etc. They have an aggenda all their own and respect for American citizens is not on the aggenda. For more info, I recommend folks read the article written by Jenny Randles called "Government Cover-up and Conspiracy" in the book _Phenomenon_Forty_Years_of_Flying_Saucers_. She does a good job of looking at government cover-ups. One thing that I found extremely interesting is her information on the NSA. Check it out. Again, Ed, thanks for an interesting post. Gene gross@dg-rtp.dg.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (Gary Knight) Subject: UFO crash rate question Date: 14 Feb 90 22:06:12 GMT As a new participant on ParaNet, I'd like to pose a series of questions related to my two main interests: (1) UFOs, and (2) neurological bases for paranormal phenomena. Let me start with UFOs. I tend (60-40) to suspect that there do exist non-Earth origin intelligences (and their artificats) interacting with us, so don't think of me as a died-in-the-wool skeptic. I just get bothered from time to time by problems I can't figure out on my own. For example, a while back I became troubled by the argument that the U.S. Government is incapable of keeping anything secret for longer than 6 or 7 nanoseconds, therefore a 40-year coverup of UFO activity is highly unlikely -- but then I got enough feedback on that one to see it is an inadequate argument against on-going interaction with alien intelligence. So here's my first question: UFO 1. A number of UFO investigators, most particularly Leonard Stringfield, have focused on crashed discs of presumed extraterrestrial origin, and their retrieval. There are rumored cases as early as the 1930's, but the better documented crash/retrievals stem from 1947. Leaving aside for the moment the fascinating stories associated with these retrieved alien artifacts (and, on occasion, their occupants), the question that occurs to me is why are there so many UFO crashes, continuing even to the present day? Don't these little fellers know how to fly their gadgets?! What, no Chuck Yeagers or Alan Shepards or Neil Armstrongs up there? Taking the most short-term view -- that flying discs first appeared in the mid-1940's -- and granting that there are problems associated with flying in a new environment, still you'd think that after 40 years they'd get a grip on things! But, no, they continue to fly right into the ground with amazing frequency (and disastrous results for the occupants), at a higher rate, perhaps, than for our own commercial aircraft!! And in the long-term view -- that they've been around anywhere from a few thousand to a few million years -- you'd think they'd have the crash rate down to near zero by now. But still, they keep running them into the ground. The skeptical explanation, of course, is that the rate has to be kept reasonably high to satisfy the faithful with enough material to keep the UFO issue alive (after all, where would the UFO community be if the discs just disappeared one day?). (-: (-: What I'm looking for is a rational explanation for the high crash rate. Like maybe they aren't crashing, maybe we're shooting them down? Or maybe Earth has some kind of terrible gravitational anomaly that makes their method of propulsion a combat pay proposition? Or maybe there are zillions of them flying around constantly and the crash rate is actually very low in terms of passenger miles travelled? Or what? Anyone have a good explanation? ------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.) Subject: Replies Date: 14 Feb 90 22:06:55 GMT The access from Houston to my UNIX account has been out since sunday so I'm behind in answering my mail Sorry. Gene: There is a long history of association betwen science and music and individual scientists and music. Pythagoras was perhaps the first number theorist in the West and the first "Harmonist," or music theorist. Musical tuning rules go back to Sumeria; a tablet dated about 1850 BCE has an erotic song/ hymn to a fertility goddess in a recognizably major scale. Whether China discovered the cycle of fifths indedendently of th Near East in unknown; their legends say they got their tuning from the land of the Tocharians in the west. Early greek geometry was to some extent inspired by musical considerations and vice-versa. Thanks for the SF references; I know Benford slightly from Grad school at UCSD and SF conferences. Jack Vance is probably my favorite author stylistically. Others that I enjoy include L.Sprague DeCamp, Poul Anderson, and Vonda MacIntyre who is an old friend from the U of Washington genetics Dept. Jim: Idiots savants and other similarly "unbalanced" mentalities may achieve what they do in part because they can focus what ability they have without distraction. A pathologist friend of mine in Houston has a distant relative who is a self-supporting artist, though severely retarded in the usual sense. Fascinating. Don: The only reports I have seen on Brazilian Mg samples are those in the Condon report. The metal was described as being very pure and showing signs of having cooled from a melt as it had large, needle-like crystals and no evidence of working (cold flow lines, etc.). The major anomaly reported was its composition; it contained more strontium than was usual in alloys at that time. The Hg could be plausibly explained by contamination from a vacuum pump if it had been melted under vacuum to prevent its ignition in the air. The main problem with this sample was that its origin was unknown. I believe that oriented particles of ceramic phases are at not all unusual in new alloys. Many can be produced by precipitation in the alloy and then oriented by drawing. We need a metallurgist or an engineer knowledgeable about advanced compostites and alloys to answer this question. Materials science is undergoing a renaissance at the moment, but alas, the US is in poor shape to capitalize on it because of our shortage of engineers and scientists. For one thing, immigration policy makes it very difficult for trained people to work in the US, while uneducated family members etc. get in easily. This makes no sense to me and is another form of unilateral technological "disarmament." Jim: The only reason I can think that a judge ordered Reich's personal notes to be destroyed is that we have become a nation of lawyers, not laws (or men) whatever the constitution may say. I'd be for an amendment barring lawyers from serving in Legislatures or moving directly from government service to private practice. There is a built in conflict of interest here. Either that or make ignorance of the law a reasonable excuse and/or legal education not only a constitutional right, but a duty. Clarke?: Many iron meteorites show rectangular grid-like patterns when they are etched. Sometimes they even look like city plans. I think they are called "Willstaetten Figures (sp?)" (I don't have a dictionary handy). --John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Mutilations Date: 14 Feb 90 16:15:00 GMT John: In reference to your message concerning animal mutilations: > One thing puzzles me about all the cattle mutilation > messages on Paranet. > They all seem to happen in the USA only. I've never > heard of them > happening in Europe or Australia. > Regards The mystery of animal mutilations is a world wide one. Reports have come into UFO researchers from all over North and South America, England, Europe, Australia, and most recently Japan. One of the premier mutilation reseachers here in the US is Ms. Linda M. Howe. This past year she has released a new book detailing the mutilation mystery; An Alien Harvest. An excellent read, and if you are interested, let me know. I will be more than happy to give you the information I have. Mutilations is where I have centered my research. Regards: Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Krill files.. Date: 14 Feb 90 16:23:00 GMT Don: The Krill files were conceived and written by a shadowy UFO researcher in Nv. by the name of John Grace. Grace and John Lear in fact do know each other, and back in 1987 when I first met John Lear, and he gave the the package of documents that included his research and conclusions, the Krill documents were included. There is most certainly a strong element of paranoia through-out this entire subject, and until such time as one silvery disk lands in the middle of Pittsburgh or Denver, we all probably will still be guessing. Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n301.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Reuben.Michaels Subject: Re: Skepticism And Science Date: 14 Feb 90 05:58:18 GMT I have done some research on the "cloudbuster" and there is no use of any radioactive substances. There is "danger" in the operation of any of these devices that use "orgonomy" or "orgone power". There are strange effects that can be obtained that apparently go against the laws of physics as we know them. Much like all the fuss about Pons and Fleishman. ***Best, Reuben*** -- Reuben Michaels - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Reuben.Michaels@f1.n301.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: 1940's Crash In La. Date: 13 Feb 90 06:42:00 GMT > Hi Winston. If you pick up a copy of "Clear Intent", you'll see > -- along with Hoover's actual memos and longhand postscript on the > "crashed disk" -- that the actual incident that caused the memo > was a hoax. Apparently the object was a pie pan and Hoover's > concern was that it was planted by Commie agents provocateur to > cause panic. I didn't know that! I suspected it, though, because I remember a photograph of a policeman holding up a little flying saucer model, and I thought I remembered it being in Los Angeles - "LA". Is that the one? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: CIRCLES Date: 13 Feb 90 21:25:00 GMT Very interesting, Vlad! The circles in England seem to be a tad more mysterious than the "Kangaroo" circles, but something tells me its a monstrous hoax. Call it intuition, and the way demented minds think alike....in other words, if I could get away with something like that for 10 years, I'd do it too! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Strange Rings in Britain Date: 13 Feb 90 21:27:00 GMT > ` Much of Britain is covered in recent sediments. Old structures > are being dug up all the time, some of them not so old either. In > the case of the rings, an underground structure would leave a > surface trace, caused by factors such as water drainage around the > structure, and the possibility that the materials around the > structure may be different (eg. clay) to that in the general > vicinity. > The easiest way to solve the `mystery' would be to dig one up > Regards That would not explain how the circles appear literally overnight, however, or why they went unnoticed for centuries. Still, digging down a few feet might show something. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Cold Fusion/antigravity Date: 13 Feb 90 21:35:00 GMT > I don't like to say this, but you addressed your last message to > someone called INFOPARA@SCICOM.ALPHACDC.COM. > I thought Tasmanians abused the English language, but are you > in communication with an alien or something? Yes, I am, (of the illegal variety) but that is a UNIX address, which allows us to interface with another network that has a very complicated addressing system. I don't understand it either, all I know is, when I respond to that address, people who sign with English names do seem to receive what I've said. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Krill files.. Date: 15 Feb 90 04:53:00 GMT > Can anyone enlighten me as to who Mr. Krill is and what kind of > research record that he has? "Mr. Krill", also known as Val Valerian, is really a retired Air Force Sergeant named John Grace of Las Vegas, NV. He runs the Nevada Aerial Research Group. His research record, as far as I know, is non-existent. He compiled the Krill paper, and "The Matrix", largely from existing works such as the Lear paper, Steinman's "UFO Crash at Aztec", and miscellaneous blather from the Wendelle Stevens crowd. He is a conspiracy monger par excellence. Believes the present Pope is an imposter. > > Same for John Keel (I seem to see his name pop up once in awhile). One of the most accomplished and fascinating writers in the field. A conspiracy monger also, but very entertaining. Is largely credited with spreading the word about the "MIBs". Works include "The Mothman Prophecies," "Disneyland of the Gods." > > I can only assume (I hate that word) that the Krill files have > long > ago been discussed here and I would like to know the consensus of > them. Bunk. (My opinion; void where prohibited, other opinions may vary). > And why would the Govt go to all this trouble in the last 40 or > so years to cover up, even to the extent of creating the NSA > (as Krill claims) to be it's major arm in the suppression of > the existence of the UFO's AND at the same time; by LAW release > documents under the FOIA act that they must surely know will > point out the LIES that they have for so long been telling us? > > What the hell is really going on here? > > Has our *own* Govt sold us out to the Greys???? If the Krill paper is bunk as I claim, then it makes a little more sense, doesn't it? Could be that the government does have SOME knowledge, but its so well-hidden and highly classified that those in charge of promulgating FOIA and downgrading policies don't even know about it. Or, it could be a "hide in plain sight" proposition. -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: "LA", Reich, & Alabama comments Date: 15 Feb 90 04:59:00 GMT > "LA" as an abbreviation for "Louisiana" is far more *recent* than > "the > late 40's" mentioned in the initial posted query. The two-letter > state > abbreviations were a US Post Office invention Beautiful point! I'd forgotten about that. BUT...the old abbreviation for Louisiana WAS "La." > > ****** > > "Wilhelm Reich" is "a household name" today? Perhaps in *your* > house! I guess I'm living in the wrong household. I meant that he is a recognized name among alternate science freaks, up there with Tesla and Joe Newman. > the only "household names" these > days > are rock stars and people who have been in today's newspaper > headlines! Too true, Will. > Tying dogs to the corners of your house is supposed to prevent UFO > landings? What was the guy trying to keep away? Space mailmen? Ha! -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: UFO crash rate question Date: 15 Feb 90 05:11:00 GMT > UFO 1. A number of UFO investigators, most particularly > Leonard > Stringfield, have focused on crashed discs of presumed > extraterrestrial > origin, and their retrieval. There are rumored cases as early as > the 1930's, > but the better documented crash/retrievals stem from 1947. > Leaving aside > for the moment the fascinating stories associated with these > retrieved > alien artifacts (and, on occasion, their occupants), the question > that occurs > to me is why are there so many UFO crashes, continuing even to the > present > day? Don't these little fellers know how to fly their gadgets?! Its a good question, and one I wondered about for a while, till I made contact with some of the people doing investigations of this sort. The answer is that they DON'T crash that often, and no one seriously suspects that they do. The reason the stories are put forth is that all we HAVE are stories. We have no proof. When we are told that anecdotal evidence is worthless, we try to present photographs. But we're told those can be faked, and so we are left with trying to gather the best proof of all: a piece of a flying saucer. As you can see from Stringfield's work, there is no shortage of crashed saucer stories. They are all followed up as best as can be, out of hopes that ONE of them might be legitimate. The best candidate right now seems to be Roswell, but its in the back of most researchers' minds that that seemingly golden case, and many others, might just have been planted as red herrings. We're like the gunfighter in the fun house - shooting at all the mirrors. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Date: 14 Feb 90 13:12:00 GMT There is much more to Fyffe than Gulf Breeze, but Fyffe doesn't have anyone wishing for attention. Also the new craft has shown up. It looks like a supersonic bomber, but it flies with the nose straight upand broadside to the direction of travel. It can hover or move in any direction with no noise. colors are white, orange, and blue. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Date: 14 Feb 90 17:07:00 GMT In a message to Bryon Smith <02-14-90 06:12> Ray Griffin wrote: RG> There is much more to Fyffe than Gulf Breeze, but Fyffe RG> doesn't have anyone wishing for attention. Also the new RG> craft has shown up. It looks like a supersonic bomber, but RG> it flies with the nose straight upand broadside to the RG> direction of travel. It can hover or move in any direction RG> with no noise. colors are white, orange, and blue. Sounds to me like that defies the laws of physics to me, is that what they are trying to show us, that they can do things that we just can't do, and can't even explain ? ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!.123/21@f21.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Edward.Melville.@.123/21 Subject: Re: New Affiliates Date: 14 Feb 90 19:59:34 GMT > This is to welcome two new affiliates to the ParaNet family. > > ParaNet TAU-EPSILON > Edward Melville > Memphis, Tennessee > 901-785-4943 > > Please take a moment to introduce yourselves. > Anti Social Jerk who believes that dogs are human and human are dogs. I chew beef jerkies for breakfast, and don't drink coffee due to the caffeine, but love to drink cokes. My wife has three legs, and John Komar and I watch Saturday Night Live with grass between out teeth. Sorry, couldn't resist, Michael. evil grin. I run a board, private, with about 100 selected users. Reason being, I can watch, securely, my files being raped, and uploaded without a problem. I wanted to become a part of Paranet due to the technological aspects, and true open minded people where involved. I enjoy such conversations, I love to investigate ( sorta p.i myself ) and wish to be a part of an organization with which we can discuss openly, without being brow beaten. grin. Anyone wishing access to my board, just netmail your name and password, and thou shalt get in, with full access. Most of my echoes, (60+) are not on the backbone, and are carried independently. Keeps me out of politics. Edward Melville PO BOX 41612 Memphis, TN 38174. ( Incase you wanna write ) -- Edward Melville @ 123/21 - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Edward.Melville.@.123/21@f21.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Date: 15 Feb 90 03:01:00 GMT Well UFOs are called planes because people explain what they think is a prosaic action with a slight twist of reality. So don't you think it would be alarming to say you saw an aircraft do something that only a UFO can do. Most people would believe that they saw an aircraft, but that the government or military wouldn't admit. Now if this craft appears to be an advanced bomber how would the sightings be explained to the Russians. The Americans would have to say it was a UFO. or face criticism. P.S. It has just been seen and it was identified as looking like the space shuttle. Only sitting straight up and moving sideways. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: 1940's Crash In La. Date: 15 Feb 90 06:48:00 GMT Hi Jim. Well, it's 1:50 a.m. & I just got home, so please bear with me as I probably couldn't find the actual page in "Clear Intent" that has the pie-pan expose and the Hoover memo. If memory serves, it's in there, though. Funny, I don't remember whether it was in Los Angeles or Louisiana, either. Both "LAs". I'll check when I have a little free time. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Skeptics Date: 15 Feb 90 07:07:00 GMT > Here is a puzzle for our American Paranet users only - > Is there a Tasmanian Devil? > First correct answer from an American user gets an > all-expenses paid > trip to Alpha Centauri (wherever that is). I claim the prize!!!! There IS a Tasmanian Devil. It is the size of a hamster and has the temperament of a puff adder. When do we leave? Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Cows Date: 15 Feb 90 07:15:00 GMT > One thing puzzles me about all the cattle mutilation > messages on Paranet. > They all seem to happen in the USA only. I've never > heard of them > happening in Europe or Australia. Ah-hah! There's actually a little mystery about Australian mutilations -- namely sheep mutilations. It was the subject (supposedly) of a silent, two- or three-reel film about the time of the First World War. The title was supposed to have been "The Haunted Bilabong". Linda Howe referred to it in one of her posts on Cattle mutilations here in the U.S. I thought about writing Kevin Brownlow about it at the London Film School but never did. So, to my knowledge, it has never been resolved whether this film is "art imitating life" from the turn of the century -- or whether the film ever existed at all. Have our Australian friends ever heard of this little movie? Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************