Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 153 Friday, February 16th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Update-human Mutes "LA", Reich, & Alabama comments RE: 1940's crash in LA. Lights in sky of MO & IL. The Company picnic ;-) THE MATRIX Re: skepticism and science Re: skepticism and science Re: Skeptics and QM Ufo Sighting Messages Mercury drives Re: skepticism and science Russian UFOs Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Re: UFO crash rate question S-P rating Time travel inquiry Leonard Stringfield inquiry 1940's Crash in La. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Update-human Mutes Date: 15 Feb 90 07:26:00 GMT > The Satanic explanation was examined, and according to the > reporting witness, did not hold water. I wouldn't be too quick to discount it, Don. What communities were these morturaries located in? I've heard of corpse desecrations within a prestigious Manhattan funeral parlor (no mutes, just organized desecrations & necrophiliac practices by a "satanist" cult). And animal mutes by whackos in Westchester, Putnam, Rockland, Fairfield, and Litchfield Counties are old news -- though they're still happening regular as clockwork. Probably better to talk about this in email, if you want to. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Linda.Murphy Subject: "LA", Reich, & Alabama comments Date: 15 Feb 90 15:27:37 GMT To: Will Martin > "LA" as an abbreviation for "Louisiana" is far more *recent* than "the > late 40's" mentioned in the initial posted query. The two-letter state > abbreviations were a US Post Office invention imposed on the public From the CENTURY Dictionary (C) 1933, 1934, by D. Appleton-Century Company (C) 1927 by The Century Co., all countries subscribing to the Revised Bern Convention Found in the Vol. III Suppliments "Abbreviations in Common Use" La (no period) lanthanum La. Louisiana L.A. Law Agent -------- It does appear that "La" is recognized prior to the 60's as a common abbreviation, doesn't it? It also states (in the intro on this part of the dictionary) that "Many of the abbreviations occur with variances in form, especially with respect to the use of capital or small letters, hyphens and periods. To simplify, the most COMMON form had been selected for entry here." To use this part of the dictionary, the user of the dictionary is then instructed to take the abbreviation, cross reference it, taking into consideration the context in which it is used, (in other words, don't pay attention to upper/lower case, and periods/hyphens) to find a match. Seems to me, that the abbreviation for good ol' LA (Los Angeles) wasn't considered common, back then (at least in the 30's). In the 1959 edition of the Miriam Webster Dictionary that was popular in California middle and high schools, LA still cannot be found for Los Angeles. Two new additions were found, however, as a common abbreviation in 50's: L.A. Library Assistant, Local Authorities Dictionaries after the 50's (Webster and others) show LA as Los Angeles. I think it isn't ignorance -- what a person knows and doesn't know. Just interests. The above is just to correct something that is not correct, and to let you know that even a simple statement dealing with the something as trivial as abbreviations, if it is important, is thoroughly researched. ( 1:304/1) -- Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n301.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Winston.Mccain Subject: RE: 1940's crash in LA. Date: 15 Feb 90 18:13:39 GMT Thank you for the info on the LA crash. I found one copy of the memo. It has a period after the letter A as in LA. One would have to review other material from Hoover to know for sure. Thanks again. -- Winston Mccain - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Winston.Mccain@f1.n301.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Winston.Mccain Subject: Lights in sky of MO & IL. Date: 15 Feb 90 18:21:16 GMT The Louisiana Press-Journal of Louisiana, MO reported on Feb 7th 1990 of the return of Lights in the sky around the Pike County MO. area. Someone close to this site may wish to check more into this. Pike Co. is bordered with Pike County, IL were lights were also reported by the Pike Press in Pittsfield, IL last year. -- Winston Mccain - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Winston.Mccain@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gross@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) Subject: The Company picnic ;-) Date: 16 Feb 90 00:29:27 GMT -+From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker -+Subject: Re: The Co. & Drugs Don: -+ As you are undoubtedly aware, the Company and Special Forces, in -+ order to secure the loyalty of the indigenous Hill Tribesmen in -+ Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia, purchased their major cash crop -+ during the war years: opium. I'm well aware of this, but I figure it doesn't hurt to repeat it periodically. ;-) However, the Company folks seemed very concerned that the control over the cash crops be retained by them. Any suggestion of dumping the stuff into a fire was not well received. However, despite the fact that you and I, and others, know about this, there exists no solid evidence that can be taken to court. I don't recall any written orders from the "Joe College" crowd, do you? Also, I don't want to leave a negative impression. We, Special Forces, did far more than purchase their cash crop to gain their loyalty. -+ -+ anyone can tell you, the Company has always made a habit and a -+ virtue out of "doing what has to be done". My big question has -+ always been just what did they do with the raw opium after they -+ bought it. Did they recoup their investiment? Silly question. You are well aware of the "black budgets" and other funding methods. The Congress would have a fit if it ever really figured out how much money filters through the Company, especially from the sale of drugs. You are correct that the Company will do whatever is necessary to get the job done. Remember Babylon and some of their other wonderful operations. There seems to be a real "Country Club" what with the wonderful spooks from the Company, NSA, DIA, ONI, and others. Their mindset is such that even the Prince could get better advice elsewhere. That's personal opinion. Re: intelligence operations involving UFOs. The Company isn't the only outfit involved. This shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone on the net reading this. But it will come a surprise to others who thought the Condon Report ended any official interest in UFOs. I also find it amusing that they would even try to cover-up their interest. Reminds me of the way they tried to deny that they were interested in psychic abilities--telepathy, etc. Something that struck me again last night was the fact that government cover-up isn't just a claim. Government documents from several nations prove that they are hiding something. What is a good question. I'm not so sure that we have the whole story. I don't buy, personally, the idea that there is some sort of treaty between the government and some ETs. Do they have a crashed saucer or so? I think that there is good reason to think that they might well have such. There is an old proverb that goes, "there is nothing new under the sun." Guess all of this just proves that adage. ;-) Here's to it, and Halo, Don, Gene gross@dg-rtp.dg.com Keep your eyes on the stars but your feet firmly on the ground. ;-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gmz@well.sf.ca.us (Gerry Zeitlin) Subject: THE MATRIX Date: 16 Feb 90 00:30:25 GMT THE MATRIX, in reply to some queries, was published pseudonymously under the name "Valdemar Valerian" in Las Vegas, July 1988. First printing was 100 copies. A second and final printing of 100 occurred 3 months later. The book was a compendium of the most lurid Lear-type stories. Contained what was either the "Dulce papers" or a remembered sketch of the contents of some of same. Linda Howe did it much better in *Alien Harvest*. A friend of mine met "Valdemar Valerian" and found him to be a most unpleasant character. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- gerry zeitlin {apple|pacbell|hplabs|ucbvax}!well!gmz -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: skepticism and science Date: 8 Feb 90 07:08:00 GMT > + The lesson is simple. Reich's books were burned. Just like > + books were burned in Nazi Germany. > Can we clear up this point? Were Reich's books burned or weren't they? Keith says they were, John Chalmers implies they weren't. I think its important to know. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Reuben.Michaels Subject: Re: skepticism and science Date: 7 Feb 90 23:12:01 GMT Wilhelm Reich was an interesting fellow, his machine called the cloudbuster can make it rain sometimes. The only fellow in American history to have his books and personal notes orderered to be destroyed by a judge in California. His personal notes and diaries were destroyed. He died in prison, a broken man, for having broken a Federal law when he took an "orgone chamber" across the state line into Arizona. -- Reuben Michaels - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Reuben.Michaels@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Re: Skeptics and QM Date: 10 Feb 90 05:02:53 GMT In an article of <8 Feb 90 18:11:24 GMT>, Gene Gross The implicate interpenetrates us and we it, infinitely. > >If Bohm is correct, we are infinitely interpenetrated at all levels. >Think about this for a few days and I can almost guarantee you a >charlie-horse of the brain. ;-) Actually I have been thinking about this all day and I got a copy of "In Search of Schrodinger's Cat". One aspect I find interesting about this infinite interpenetration is it would seem to lend some credence to the beliefs of cultures and/or religions that say people, the Earth, plants, animals etc. are related or connected somehow. The Buddha's Nirvana (as I understand it) was an achievement of "oneness" with the universe, where everything came together. North and South American civilizations had animal totems which were tribe symbols and servants of the tribe. For instance a man could see through the eyes of his totem which may be an eagle or a bear. And of course there's the Star Wars movies where the Force penetrated everything. It would also serve as a good retort when an astrologer is asked how astrology works: "Quantum mechanics, of course!" QM is very interesting!! Thanks for enlightening me. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Ufo Sighting Messages Date: 10 Feb 90 11:05:00 GMT > From: Gene Gross "Mr. Abel would also like to take credit fo the aliens in Russia > last > summer. He claims he had been sitting around in the caboose [his > office in his back yard] worrying that they didn't have any fun in > Russia, and that there had never been a U.F.O. spotted there, so > he > sent detailed plans for a spaceship and aliens to a couple of > Russians > he had listed in his hoax-lovers Rolodex." Stephen: Its my opinion that Abel's claim to the media of being behind the Voronezh hoax, IS IN ITSELF ANOTHER HOAX ON THE MEDIA. Abel gave some details on the plans he sent to Russia on ABC's 20/20. NONE of the elements he listed were seen in the Voronezh case, and in fact were so hokey (a tape recorder playing the "Twilight Zone" theme) that almost anyone else would pick up on it. Yet, so far I haven't seen the press "debunking" Abel's latest claim. I think Abel has successfully shown how gullible the media is in thinking that "any" explanation of a UFO sighting is better than considering the possibility that its real. (By the way, I consider Voronezh a hoax, but for reasons totally unrelated to Abel's claim). Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Current Affair Upcoming Expose (?) Date: 15 Feb 90 14:56:00 GMT In a message to Bryon Smith <02-14-90 20:01> Ray Griffin wrote: RG> Well UFOs are called planes because people explain what RG> they think is a prosaic action with a slight twist of RG> reality. So don't you think it would be alarming to say you RG> saw an aircraft do something that only a UFO can do. Most RG> people would believe that they saw an aircraft, but that RG> the government or military wouldn't admit. Now if this RG> craft appears to be an advanced bomber how would the RG> sightings be explained to the Russians. The Americans would RG> have to say it was a UFO. or face criticism. P.S. It has RG> just been seen and it was identified as looking like the RG> space shuttle. Only sitting straight up and moving RG> sideways. Now that would get one's attention wouldn't it ? I think I see the angle on this one as you described it. They say the UFO is actually a stealth plane but our "U.I." is deliberatly doing something to force them to say that it's a UFO. This should be interesting to see. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@p0.f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!John.Burke Subject: Re: UFO crash rate question Date: 16 Feb 90 01:56:30 GMT Gary: I was recently wondering if the many alleged UFO crashes could be tied to nuclear tests. Specifically, I wondered if the EMPs caused by atom bombs were causing the crashes. This would explain the "Saturn Machine" at Sandia Labs as an anti-saucer weapon. Anyway, if the gov't. released any info on dates of nuclear tests, it would be interesting to see if any were done in early July of 1947 or on any of the dates that would coincide with the Stringfield cases. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f7.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Vladimir.Godic. Subject: S-P rating Date: 17 Feb 90 05:57:00 GMT Jim, We are currently updating our UFO Reports Data Base and will incorporate your S-P rating in the same. Many thanks for your help in this matter. Very sorry I misspelled your surname in a previous message. Vladimir... -- Vladimir Godic - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic.@f7.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (Gary Knight) Subject: Time travel inquiry Date: 16 Feb 90 19:47:50 GMT UFO 2. One hypothesis advanced to explain various UFO phenomena is that they may represent time travelers from a future Earth come to view our quaint and curious times. Time travel, of course, has a long history in fiction literature, and has been the subject of some discourse in theoretical physics in both the technical and popular literature. I'm familiar with most all of that. My question is --has there ever been any serious, applied (as opposed to theoretical) scientific research done on the question of time travel? If so, can anyone provide details (organization or institution, personnel involved, publications resulting, etc.)? What about the U. S. Government -- e.g., is there any evidence that DARPA or other research agencies have even so much as funded surveys in this area? In responding, please remember that my question focuses on APPLIED research and development, not theoretical physics. Thanks for the input. ------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (Gary Knight) Subject: Leonard Stringfield inquiry Date: 16 Feb 90 19:48:18 GMT UFO 3. Leonard Stringfield, as most ParaNet readers know, is the guru of crash/retrieval literature. He wrote an initial report in the late 70's, then published two supplements, one in 1980 and another in 1982. However, I have found nothing by him since then. Question -- does anyone know if Stringfield is still working on the crash/retrieval issue and, if so, if he has published anything since 1982 on the subject? If so, where can it be obtained? If not, has anyone stepped into Leonard's shoes in terms of pursuing the crash/retrieval issue? ------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GRAHAM@iucf.bitnet Subject: 1940's Crash in La. Date: 16 Feb 90 19:48:44 GMT I just checked my copy of "CLEAR INTENT". The so-called pie-pan expose and the Hoover memo are on page 149. ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************