Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 167 Saturday, March 3rd 1990 Today's Topics: ETs and Atmospheres (none) GELL-O Re: Grist For Conspiracy Buffs Re: Is Cooper All That Crazy!? The Canberra "UFO" - final report Re: Lunar Anomalies More Gulf Breeze Fallout Is Cooper all that crazy!? (none) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Gross Subject: ETs and Atmospheres Date: 3 Mar 90 00:20:25 GMT Gary: I'm not sure why you'd think that aliens couldn't live on our air nor we theirs. If the aliens developed along simialr lines as humans, they'd be carbon based and would breathe oxygen. One of the things that I've thought about is how life on other worlds would evolve. I can agree that it is possible that alien lifeforms could be based upon something other than carbon. But would this necessarily preclude them from breathing our atmosphere? I'm not sure about this simply because we haven't met any lifeforms not based on carbon and oxygen breathers. I would be interested in why you think that aliens could not make it in our atmosphere. Regards, Gene -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ddrasin!well (Dan Drasin) Subject: (none) Date: 3 Mar 90 00:21:06 GMT Atmospheres and Environments > From: Gary Knight > Subject: ETs and the atmosphere > Date: 1 Mar 90 21:12:09 GMT > > With one exception (an alleged statement by General Marshall in > Good's ABOVE TOP SECRET), in all the material I've read about ET visits to > earth, and abductions of humans into ET vehicles, I've never seen the > atmosphere problem addressed. The probability of an ET evolving in an > atmosphere identical to that of Earth approaches zero. So how come the > ETs and the humans can share the same space in abductions with no ill- > effects? How come the ETs can walk around on Earth (e.g., alleged CE-III > events) without special breathing apparatus? Can anyone talk on this > point? Thanks, Good point, Gary, and one could make the same point about things like relative temperature, light, gravitation, microbial exposure, etc. Note that quite a few abductees have reported that atmospheric and other unspecified environmental considerations do in fact limit the length of exposure (on the part of both parties), in most cases, to several hours -- which happens to be the typical span of "missing time" we find in most abduction reports. I am under the distinct impression that most abductees report feeling physically cold while in the aliens' physical/dimensional environment. The probabilities concerning the similarity of mutually alien atmospheres must remain in the realm of speculation until we have more hard information. One could argue that *to the extent* that alien life resembles our own, there must be at least some commonality or "overlap" of environmental conditions. My guess is that the whole spectrum of relative commonality is covered by the variety of alien life that appears to be knocking at the door of our consensus reality. Note also that there have been quite a number of CEIII reports over the years in which some kind of breathing apparatus *has* been reported. As far as gravitation is concerned, it's a fairly uncontroversial idea that you can't function on a planet whose gravity is *too* much greater than your own. Hoagland covers this point rather well in his book THE MONUMENTS OF MARS, in which he speculates about why a civilization that might have successfully colonized Mars would have been forbidden from accessing its presumably far-more-appealing next-door neighbor: Our gravity is three times that of Mars. I find the question of microbial exposure particularly intriguing. Somehow we tend to ignore the possibility that civilizations that are presumably far in advance of us technically may have successfully addressed the problem of microbial infection. If one percent of abduction and other CEIII reports are true, I think it's reasonable to assume that most aliens with whom we have come into contact have taken appropriate measures to prevent mutual infection -- assuming sufficient biological similarity between us to permit infection in the first place. By the way, Budd Hopkins claims that quite a number of abductees have experienced chronic, conventional infections in areas probed by the aliens with apparently unsterilized instruments. One could speculate that such aliens are biologically constituted so as not to be prone to infection as we experience it, which might explain their carelessless/ignorance. That would be consistent with their reported conceptual and perceptual "blind spots" in regard to other areas of human physiology, psychology, etc., in spite of a seemingly impressive intelligence in other areas. One of my favorite contact books is UFO CONTACT FROM PLANET IARGA, which (even if you assume it to be fiction) addresses a number of these environmental questions in an engaging way. Iarga's gravity is said to be several times as strong as ours, with interesting consequences in terms of the Iargans' behavior, technology, etc. (for example, a fall from a height of two meters is almost invariably fatal). Their physique is reported as stocky and heavy-boned; they evolved on their mostly water-covered home planet from sea-otter-type creatures, and are excellent swimmers. Their atmosphere is not greatly different from ours, although the pressure is considerably higher. Their oceans are somewhat less saline than ours. Their technology appears to be not *greatly* in advance of ours, though it's incredibly elegant and commonsensical in a Bucky-Fullerish kind of way. They do set aside a specially sterilized room in their scout craft for visitors. As an aside, their constitution integrates politics, economics, law, technology, etc., in an intriguingly elegant fashion. They are benign creatures who find us fascinating. Fact or fiction, the book is a good read, and food for much thought. The pseudonymous contactee/author is apparently the former CEO of one of the largest electronics conglomerates in Europe. Dan Drasin / ddrasin@well -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Zach.Harman Subject: GELL-O Date: 3 Mar 90 05:19:48 GMT What exactly are your views on samadhi and UFO's? -- Zach Harman - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Zach.Harman@f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Grist For Conspiracy Buffs Date: 3 Mar 90 05:06:00 GMT > Actually, it's all relatively harmless -- and quite standard procedure > -- but I couldn't help thinking what paranoid minds could do > with it! Hi Gary. Does one have to be paranoid to wonder why IBM, Cypress Semiconductors, AMD and Sandia (AT&T, ostensibly) would pool their resources in the national interest ... > [Under new legislation] if a government lab is involved in a > cooperative venture with private industry, it is not required > to respond to a Freedom of Information Act request. > ... and conceal their work with the help of the government? I may be paranoid, but you have my full attention on both of these points. Please tell us, what law allows the gov't to use its contractors as shills to avoid public inquiries? Also, any word of what patriotic good works are going on in at this "all-for-our-own-good-just-don't-ask-any-questions" consortium? Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Is Cooper All That Crazy!? Date: 3 Mar 90 05:21:00 GMT > This is very unsettling news to me. Maybe Cooper isn't so > paranoid > after all. What do you folks think? I read about the searches abroad in the NY Times and THAT concerned me. There wasn't anything about the domestic search provisions, though. I think they're shocking. Today, 3/2/90, has been a very disturbing day for me. First I read that some law has been very quietly passed that exempts private companies & consortiums doing government work from the Freedom of Information Act. Now I read about another flimsy pretext for shredding Habeas Corpus and 500 years of common law. Where in God's name is all this stuff coming from and why does no one know about it??!!!! Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: The Canberra "UFO" - final report Date: 3 Mar 90 00:07:00 GMT > The recent video footage out of Canberra, of which you have > already > heard, was definitely the planet Venus. It was in the same place > at the same time (there were no other bright objects seen in the > eastern sky at 0515hrs) and Ray Brooke, UFORA associate in South > Australia, > even repeated the footage on his video camera by shooting Venus at > the same time and zooming in. He even got the missing bits (as in > Mr Ivanisevic's original video) at each end. Sorry folks, better > luck next time! Well done, gang! Can we log this one as S1? (I failed to mention that the "S1" rating, as I use it, is not accompanied by a P factor, which I think would be irrelevant). Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Lunar Anomalies Date: 3 Mar 90 05:51:00 GMT John Lear once showed me a videotape from Japan which showed a full-frame shot of the full moon, with an object that looked like a shadow passing over it at tremendous speed. The tape was purportedly made by Japanese astronomers, and the audio was in Japanese. It sounded like two men discussing what they were seeing. The object was no bigger than a flyspeck, but it very definitely behaved like a shadow, changing shape slightly as it passed over craters, etc. It was moving too fast to be the shadow of a satellite (are there any satellites in permanent orbit around the moon?) or other spacecraft. Has anyone heard anything more about this tape? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: More Gulf Breeze Fallout Date: 3 Mar 90 06:21:00 GMT Bill Pitts, director of the New Project Blue Book, on Gulf Breeze: << The reason I resigned from MUFON is because of Walt's (MUFON's) very positive reaction to, and the promotion of, the alleged Gulf Breeze incident. This is an out-right hoax, and was brought to Walt's attention, and which he has `neatly' ignored. He has received a vested interest, financially, in this case, and has offered only cursory information in the `MUFON Journal' which would tend to explain away the matters - and which would place him, and his enthusiasm (misplaced) in a bad light. Walt Andrus, Bruce Maccabee, and others, were, in effect, paid off. This has no place in an honest evaluation. There is more, but the above will suffice at this time. Walt is endeavoring to build membership forsaking honesty. Ed Walters/Hansen, (among other alias's) is a convicted felon, and is not the citizen Walt has been promoting. >> Source: The Orbiter, published by Jim Melesciuc, former MASS MUFON director - who also resigned because of the Gulf Breeze case. -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Is Cooper all that crazy!? Date: 3 Mar 90 06:51:00 GMT > This is very unsettling news to me. Maybe Cooper isn't so > paranoid > after all. What do you folks think? I agree its very unsettling. But just because they're out to get us, doesn't mean Cooper's not paranoid. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: (none) Date: 3 Mar 90 06:56:00 GMT Dan: Just a note to say its a pleasure to have you here, and I hope you will join us more often! 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