Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 168 Sunday, March 4th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: More Gulf Breeze Fallout Sightings in Central Fl. area Sightings in Central Fl. area Re: Sightings in Central Fl. area Re: Lunar Anomalies Re: More Gulf Breeze Fallout Re: Lunar Anomalies Re: Is Cooper all that crazy!? re:More Gulf Breeze Fallout ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Doug.Rogers Subject: Re: More Gulf Breeze Fallout Date: 3 Mar 90 17:18:47 GMT Well, Jim... There it is in print. (The Gulf Breeze vested interest post). Haven't we been saying the same things here in the net for quite some time? -- Doug Rogers - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Doug.Rogers@f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Sandy.Barbre Subject: Sightings in Central Fl. area Date: 2 Mar 90 22:08:00 GMT How many of you have had sightings of UFO's in the Central Florida area. Don't be shy speak up. I'm working on a thesis and would like some input. -- Sandy Barbre - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sandy.Barbre@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: Sightings in Central Fl. area Date: 3 Mar 90 03:57:01 GMT > How many of you have had sightings of UFO's in the Central > Florida area. Don't be shy speak up. I'm working on a thesis > and would like some input. You might want to investigate the Oviedo Lights. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Sandy.Barbre Subject: Re: Sightings in Central Fl. area Date: 4 Mar 90 02:12:00 GMT Alright, but where would I go? And what could I use for sources. I live the other way out, but point me in the right direction and I'll go. Thanks loads!!! -- Sandy Barbre - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sandy.Barbre@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Lunar Anomalies Date: 4 Mar 90 03:42:00 GMT Hi Jim. The Japanese "Moonshadow" tape is a new one on me, too. Of course, any probe sent around the moon could create such a shadow, including our own Apollo missions and the many Russian Luna probes, many of which orbited the moon for some time if memory serves. Is this a "vintage tape" or is it relatively recent? Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: More Gulf Breeze Fallout Date: 4 Mar 90 06:12:00 GMT > Well, Jim... There it is in print. (The Gulf Breeze vested > interest post). Haven't we been saying the same things here in the > net for quite some time? > Inhave we deed...er, indeed we have. In the interest of fairness and objectivity, we should not rely solely on the word of Bill Pitts that MUFON, Andrus or Maccabee have benefitted financially from the book. But the reports are consistent, numerous, and reliable enough that this should become a major issue, and I would be very interested in their response to the charge. IF the reports are true, and I have every reason to believe they are, I would like to go on record as saying it is an abomination against science to accept honoraria for ANY reason from a UFO witness, save possibly reasonable out-of-pocket expenses, and then only under unusual circumstances. I don't claim that ufologists should not profit from their efforts, but there are other, less suspect ways of doing it. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Lunar Anomalies Date: 4 Mar 90 06:14:00 GMT > Hi Jim. The Japanese "Moonshadow" tape is a new one on me, too. > > Of course, any probe sent around the moon could create such a > shadow, including our own Apollo missions and the many Russian > Luna probes, many of which orbited the moon for some time if > memory serves. Is this a "vintage tape" or is it relatively > recent? Well, I saw it at Lear's house about 3 years ago. I got the impression that it was a few months old at that point. I'd heard of it independently before that from Dale Goudie. Other than that, I've seen nothing on it since. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Mark.Hemsath Subject: Re: Is Cooper all that crazy!? Date: 3 Mar 90 10:55:21 GMT Yeah, I've always had a bit of caution if not outright paranoia when it comes to police powers. Sometimes the "drug problem" makes me wonder about if it is designed to trash the Bill Of Rights. Watched a 60 minutes one time on that subject and got REAL paranoid. The reaction that most people gave due to the influx of narcotics into middle class America was that the police were welcome to stop and search them anytime no holds barred. Maybe we are lucky that the "aliens" have not shown themselves openly. We might wake up in a police state overnight. -- Mark Hemsath - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mark.Hemsath@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: re:More Gulf Breeze Fallout Date: 5 Mar 90 00:17:39 GMT In Paranet Newsletter #167, Jim Speiser writes: -+From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: More Gulf Breeze -+Fallout Date: 3 Mar 90 06:21:00 GMT -+ -+Bill Pitts, director of the New Project Blue Book, on Gulf Breeze: -+ -+<< The reason I resigned from MUFON is because of Walt's (MUFON's) very -+positive reaction to, and the promotion of, the alleged Gulf Breeze incident. -+This is an out-right hoax, and was brought to Walt's attention, and which he -+has `neatly' ignored. He has received a vested interest, financially, in this -+case, and has offered only cursory information in the `MUFON Journal' which -+would tend to explain away the matters - and which would place him, and his -+enthusiasm (misplaced) in a bad light. Walt Andrus, Bruce Maccabee, and others, -+were, in effect, paid off. This has no place in an honest evaluation. -+ -+There is more, but the above will suffice at this time. Walt is endeavoring to -+build membership forsaking honesty. Ed Walters/Hansen, (among other alias's) is -+a convicted felon, and is not the citizen Walt has been promoting. -+ >> -+ -+Source: The Orbiter, published by Jim Melesciuc, former MASS MUFON director - -+who also resigned because of the Gulf Breeze case. Being relatively new to the Paranet discussions (I started with Paranet Newsletter #90), I am not too familiar with the Gulf Breeze controversy and it appears that I may have recently been sucked into purchasing a recently published book "The Gulf Breeze Sightings", by Ed and Frances Walters (suspicious in itself), published by Morrow, copyright 1990. I would like to be filled in on this controversy. Jim, why does Bill Pitts say "this is an out-right hoax..."? Has the Gulf Breeze incident been proven to be a hoax? What is the consensus among other Paranet participants? I have only read about 30% of the book so far, except that I did read the appendices. In those appendices are some rather lengthy refutations by Walters against claims by "debunkers" which, incidently, he does NOT name. He refutes these claims photo-by-photo. If I was really gullible (or even mildly so for that matter), I would have to say that his response to the debunkers is darned convincing. Yet, without knowing who these "debunkers" are and what they really said, I have to take his statements with a grain of salt. On a slightly different note, Walters is said to be a convicted felon. This is not necessarily relevant. But, I must ask; What was the felony? What are the other "alias's" that Pitts refers to? In short, why should I believe that Gulf Breeze is nonsense? Jim Graham GRAHAM@IUCF.BITNET ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************