Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 174 Monday, March 12th 1990 Today's Topics: On The Move... Re: (none) Re: Cooper And Paranoia Anonymous Re: (none) Gulf Breeze photos Message From Sally Sheridan Richard Murray information packet Re: Gulf Breeze photos Re: Richard Murray information packet Re: LOOKING FOR A BOOK Gulf Breeze (none) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: On The Move... Date: 9 Mar 90 20:24:00 GMT ParaNet is moving its headquarters to Las Vegas, Nevada. Effective Monday, March 12, 1990, the new data number will be 702-792-9773. Voice number will follow shortly. Please make a note of this. We also will have a different FAX number. Michael Corbin Administrator -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: (none) Date: 10 Mar 90 05:26:00 GMT Hi Dan. Thanks for your comments ... > Clark, you may be interested in a rumor I heard recently: > that Grays > have been working the "depleted" mercury mines south of San > Jose, > California. I'll try to dig up my notes about the exact > name of the > closest town there. The area was once quite famous for its > mercury The rumor is interesting, but I confess I just get more & more confused by all this. First, the aliens give us 500 pounds of "Element 115", which they must mine on a dead star somewhere in space. Now, they're prospecting up San Jose way, lookin' for quicksilver. I think Dr. Vallee may be on to something -- look at all the data and the only consistent pattern that emerges is that it makes no sense. Quelle bizarre! As to the Meier case, I noticed the disparity between the earlier photos and the later ones, too. But if Meier was looking to establish "plausible deniability" for personal reasons (or whatever) -- he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams! For a long time I thought that the models & photos might have been planted or otherwise foisted on Meier to discredit his whole case. I mean, the first pix were EXTRAORDINARY and so were the multiple-witness cases, including the one where Meier walked into the woods in the pouring rain & was returned suddenly, and not wet! This happened, I believe, before 3 people. Nevertheless, his admitted complicity in the fakes blows the whole case beyond redemption, in my opinion. Tell me, have you ever looked into the Philadelphia Experiment? If so, what do you think of Al Bielek? Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Cooper And Paranoia Anonymous Date: 10 Mar 90 05:52:00 GMT > What is going on is pure trickery and stupidity. And those who are > going along with this would do well to remember what Franklin said, > those who are willing to give up some of their liberties for security > deserve neither. Thank you, Gene! I'm going to put old Ben Franklin's words on a wall here. You have put your finger on the problem precisely here. And as to your other observation... > that our elected representative and those that they appoint have > forgotten who serves whom. They are our servants; we aren't theirs. ... to which I respond with two observations of my own: First, they haven't forgotten who they represent -- they know exactly which constituents will give them perks, bucks, publicity, and a guaranteed meal ticket when they return to private life. And they know the rest of us would prefer to watch Wheel of Fortune... And second, I would point out that for the past 8 years there has been a greater turnover in the Soviet Chamber of Deputies than in our Congress. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: (none) Date: 10 Mar 90 06:01:00 GMT > Macabee is now sort of in a no win situation. If he sticks > to "it's all true" he opinion is questioned by those who > bring up some of the sticky questions about not only the > photos but some of the non-photo items. If he changes his > opinion, he winds up losing credibility in terms of future > reputation. I disagree, Jim. In my opinion, a scientist can change his opinion with no ill effects if he/she does so for good reason. Hell, science is BUILT on empiricism -- on adopting theories or hypotheses and pitching them out when you can't prove them. The real toll to a person's credibility is hanging onto a theory or interpretation in the face of the facts. Scientists ignore the truth (or the proof) at their peril. (Unless of course they're up in front of an appropriations committee, in which case it can PAY very well, even if they're stealing.) Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Gulf Breeze photos Date: 8 Mar 90 23:03:00 GMT > I guess I'm going to have to buy the book and read it, but I > hate to pay my money so someone can make money off what appears to > me to be a hoax. > Thanks for that message, John. That seems to be an important observation, one that I don't think has been made before. Is there any chance you are wrong about the slow lens or slow film speed? What is the source of your knowledge in this area? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Message From Sally Sheridan Date: 8 Mar 90 23:11:00 GMT I have a friend who is badly deformed from birth, due to a rare genetic defect. He has about half an arm on one side, no hand, and 3/4 of an arm on the other side, with what passes as a hand with a thumb and two finger-like appendages. He has one leg that is about a foot long, the other a little longer, with one completely normal foot. Basically he looks like he got beamed aboard the Enterprise during a thunderstorm. This individual drives a car, smokes cigarettes, shoots long arms (no pun intended) for target practice, and holds down a job as a bookkeeper. Oh yes, he's married to a beautiful woman, too. When I showed him the book, "UFO Contact from the Pleiades" about the Meier case, he read the comment about how hard it would be for a one-armed man to pull off a hoax of this sort, and just laughed out loud. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Richard Murray information packet Date: 9 Mar 90 05:22:00 GMT Ye gods. Well, so much for any shot we might have had at Congressional hearings. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos Date: 10 Mar 90 03:15:00 GMT A classic dilemma! -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Richard Murray information packet Date: 10 Mar 90 03:35:00 GMT That sort of letter would certainly get the attention of the staff when the gather around the water cooler for a few laughs but I doubt it will do much to mobilize an investigation or establish an amnesty. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR A BOOK Date: 10 Mar 90 05:37:00 GMT > > JIM I FOUND THE BOOK. GOT QUITE A FEW RESPONSES. BY THE WAY I WILL > BE > DOING AN OMNI UFO UPDATE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, SE YA Good, will look for it. Are you speaking at any of the upcoming cons, like the one in New Jersey? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Cholar <3432P@navpgs.bitnet> Subject: Gulf Breeze Date: 11 Mar 90 01:32:04 GMT The Gulf Breeze photographs have never looked convincing to me. The clincher was when an alleged UFO photo was shown on Unsolved Mysteries awhile back. The picture in question showed a disc shaped object with sloping sides, similiar in shape to the Jupiter II in the old 'Lost in Space' series. I can say with almost complete certainty that the photo was of a ceiling light reflected off of a glass window or patio door. How can I be so certain? Because I have the EXACT same light in our living room! And I mean exact! Right down to the verticle slits in the sloping sides, the curving bottom (all lit up, of course), and a central dark spot in the bottom (where a decorative nut holds the light to the ceiling). I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I saw the picture on the TV. I've been thinking about taking my some pictures of my own 'UFO' (both rigged and normal) and sending them to NBC in order to see if they would be interested in a retraction, but haven't gotten around to it due to lack of time. Craig Cholar BITNET: 3432P@NAVPGS Defense Manpower Data Center DDN: 3432P@CC.NPS.NAVY.MIL Disclaimer: My personal views, not my employer's. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ddrasin@well.sf.ca.us (Dan Drasin) Subject: (none) Date: 12 Mar 90 10:16:43 GMT One-sided ufology? -+ From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker -+ Subject: Say What ?!??? -+ Date: 9 Mar 90 00:38:00 GMT -+ same message from all the different tribes, for at least the -+ last 3 or 4 years! The message is saying " Hey, Buckwheat, UFOs -+ are hostile!!" -+ It is not anything new to realize that maybe UFOs can be dangerous -+ or even deadly. God, there is enough documented evidence to prove -+ it a thousand times over in a court of law. Don, I agree with most of what you're pointing out. However, I've become very uneasy about the growing trend toward concluding that because *some* "UFOs" (alien civilizations) are undeniably hostile, *all* UFOs are hostile. I'm afraid I fail to see the logic in such a sweeping generalization. To clarify my point of view, I should tell you that I am involved with several ongoing abduction cases, and I have no illusions about the broader intentions of certain alien groups. I am as aware as anyone here of the range of undesirable alien activities that might well be proven in a court of law. But I find the current ufological trend toward dismissing all evidence of neutral and benevolent alien contact extremely puzzling. Such a stance seems a) unnecessary, b) scientifically untenable and c) potentially dangerous. Recently I became aware of a number of cases in which highly respected and otherwise competent investigators have gone so far as to virtually hang up the phone on people who attempted to report cases that don't fit their pet scenarios for "real" encounters because the aliens in question were not sufficiently malevolent. In my opinion this kind of narrowminded behavior verges on cultishness, and has no place in a community of inquiring minds. Isn't it obvious that when one dismisses evidence of "x" out of hand one's chance of learning anything about "x" drops to zero? ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************