Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 177 Sunday, March 18th 1990 Today's Topics: UFOs S.N.U.F.O.R.S. Introduction Is Cooper all that crazy!? The Canberra "UFO" - final report MJ12 Is Cooper all that crazy!? "OZTRAIN" tracked down Re: Lazar/Area51 Re: (none) Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher? Gulf Breeze Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty Gulf Breeze and national media; Alternative-3 video tape Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher? Re: LOOKING FOR A BOOK Re: Message From Sally Sheridan Gulf Breeze photos Strange flash of light School? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Karen.Henderson Subject: UFOs Date: 17 Mar 90 14:51:51 GMT Just as an example, my bro and I swung the conversation around to aliens and UFOs the other night when my stepfather's daughter was visiting. She considers herself a very devout Christian (they even named their store after Christ) and she got super uneasy, refusing to believe ANYTHING about them or their existence. Yes, there are people who would get very upset and uneasy if they were ever proven to exist--ie. the government telling us they were real! -- Karen Henderson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Karen.Henderson@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka Subject: S.N.U.F.O.R.S. Date: 18 Mar 90 03:32:19 GMT We are trying to organize the Southern Nevada UFO Research Society here in Las Vegas. If anyone out there Has any information or files they would like distributed to the public, please let us know. Our organization is always looking for new material -- Tim Hamewka - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tim.Hamewka@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ncar!rutgers!relay.cs.net!cl.uh.edu!TRULL Subject: Introduction Date: 18 Mar 90 16:23:35 GMT Hello! I'm a grad student in Futures Studies here at the University of Houston -- Clear Lake. I'm interested in paranormal and psychic phenomenae of all sorts -- reading and discussing these is a hobby which I take seriously. I am on the PSI-L discussion list already, and as they do not discuss UFO phenomenae, it was suggested that those interested contact this board: here I am! Space exploration is a major "theme" of my life anyway, and the more I "explore" the harder it is to believe that we could be alone, and basically, I just want to know more. (Oh, I also enjoy archaeological readings/ discussions as a hobby, particularly ancient astronomy and the possibilities of previous contact.) K.J. Trull TRULL%cl.uh.edu@RELAY.CS.NET -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f2.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!John.Daly Subject: Is Cooper all that crazy!? Date: 7 Mar 90 01:28:00 GMT ii > "Law enforcement officials are the big winners in a pair of ii > Supreme ii > Court rulings...that give police *SWEEPING* [emphasis ii > added] powers to ii > search private homes here and abroad. ii > ii > ">Law enforcement officers don't need search warrants to search ii > non-citizens outside U.S. borders. ii > You may be reassured on this. US law enforcement officers have no powers of search, arrest, or anything else over non-US citizens outside US borders. That you should suggest they could do so is to forget that the USA controls only 2% of the Earth's land area. The other 98% is controlled by other people, andquite outside US jurisdiction. Regards John Daly Tasmania (10,000 miles from USA) -- John Daly - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Daly@f2.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f7.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Vladimir.Godic. Subject: The Canberra "UFO" - final report Date: 12 Mar 90 05:43:00 GMT > Yes, but don't you wish the media would respond like that when > you get a REAL sighting? Have you been in touch with the > Australian media, to give them your angle on the Canberra case? > The combination of press releases and fax machines can be a > formidable media tool. We used that tactic here to try and > dampen the media publicity surrounding Voronezh. It just seems > like the media get so excited over the wrong cases, then follows > disappointment, and right in the middle of it, the grey guys > drop a real one on us and everyone says, "yeah, sure." We decided to leave it well alone, Jim. The Canberra "UFO"report did not make as big impact as we expected it. RAAF made statement that there was nothing in it and they are not going to investigate it. We do send media release when necessary, but in this case decided against it simply because we have to use different strategy, from time to time, otherwise people and the media are going to see UFORA as perpetual debunkers. We still want people to report UFO sightings to UFORA and its associate. -- Vladimir Godic - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic.@f7.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f0.n1032.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Marcel.Zufferey Subject: MJ12 Date: 11 Mar 90 21:39:00 GMT Since this area is about UFO's, anyone Know anything about MJ12 (The American Reaserch Unit, that denies the existence of them). -- Marcel Zufferey - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Marcel.Zufferey@f0.n1032.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Mark.Jose Subject: Is Cooper all that crazy!? Date: 12 Mar 90 22:14:00 GMT * Replying to a message originally to All >From: Gene Gross >Subject: Is Cooper all that crazy!? >">Police making arrests in U.S. homes can make a "protective sweep" of >the house if [Note the condition folks] they suspect a >dangerous third >person is hidden there." And here in Victoria, Australia, we are kicking up a fuss about police being able to finger print suspects and about them being able to demand your name on the spot in the street regardless of whether you are engaged in an illegal activity or not. Boy, I thought we were a police state!! Good luck. >I was floored by this. It means that if the police can get >into your >house under some legitimate sounding pretext they can search >your house, >your private property, merely because they suspect that there >is a Police over here (in Victoria) do not even have to have any thing typed on the search warrant that they produce when about to make a search-and-seizure. All it has to have on it is "COPY OF .... ". >Then there is the bit about not needing a search warrant to search, and >presumably seize, the private property of non-citizens outside our >borders. What if we sent one of our overseas affiliates and >friends some information we obtain on UFOs and government cover-up that >Uncle doesn't want made public? Can they go into our friends home >and search and seize the documents pertaining to that information and >anything else they want? I can't see how they could do this. If it is against the law in that country then they cannot flout that law. For example, if they came to Australia, they would be allowed co-operation from our local law-enforcement teams but would have no jurisdiction. They would not, unless exempted, be able to carry a hand-pistol or other firearm while doing their job over here. They would not be able to make an arrest and would not be able to accompany police when they do a search without going through the court system here. Still, it is all a rather strange situation. The continual violation of our rights in order to protect them is becoming much more than a joke. Recently, over here, the police were accused of shooting "in cold blood" a well known bank robber who (I think) had just committed a bank robbery which involved the shooting of a security guard (D.O.A.). Later, "friends" decided to get the cops back, so they set up the police by "pretending" to be stealing a car; when police were called, they ambushed them and shot both of the policeman DEAD. Violence begets violence, does it not?! Sorry, but this is really in the wrong echo-area but I just had to say my piece. Regards, M.Jose -- Mark Jose - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mark.Jose@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f7.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Vladimir.Godic. Subject: "OZTRAIN" tracked down Date: 16 Mar 90 04:07:00 GMT According to a report on ParaNet, sourced from the Melbourne "Truth" (newspaper), the crew of a passanger train west bound for Kalgoorlie, Western Australia, reported an unusual observation, which included smoke "blacking out passanger windows" and causing the train driver to cough. Driver Lou Beccarelli was interviewed by Keith Basterfield on March 14 and stated he was driving the train 14km east of Zanthus, WA, at the time. He initally saw a pencil-shaped light in the western sky which appeared to come over the horizon and approached the train. It grew in size and appeared to be a series of lights with a white trail behind them. It passed to the north of the train. At closest approach it was visible as a line of six white lights with a white "smoke" trail behind it. It was completely silent. Lou had enough time to walk over to the right hand window of the driver's cabin, and rolled down the window for a better view. He also had time to call on the two way radio to the guard. Lou lost the object to sight when it continued to travel eastwards behind him. The total duration, according to Lou, was about a minute but the white "smoke" hung in the sky for about twenty minutes altogether. Lou said that Greg, the guard, said it "just disappeared" i.e. did not go over the eastern horizon. Lou radioded Rawlinna, some 180km to the east but no-one there saw it. Later he heard that it was seen from: - a) 80km north of Kalgoorlie, some 200km to the west of his position, and b) at Merredin, some 550km west of Lou. It was visible from all these locations at approximately 2100hrs. Same visual description, and again no sound. Keith asked Lou if the "smoke" made him cough or covered passanger windows as stated in the ParaNet item. He said this was completely untrue. There had been no interaction between the object and the train or crew. In view of the data uncovered it would appear that the object was some distance from the train, and high up. As in other report of this nature, the indications are that it was a bright meteor entering the atmosphere. -- Vladimir Godic - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic.@f7.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f3.n1031.z9.FIDONET.ORG!David.Seikel Subject: Re: Lazar/Area51 Date: 17 Mar 90 23:25:00 GMT I know that this is old, but I only just got around to reading this area. HS > SG> economy is based on the belief in a Judeo/Christian (sp?) god. HS > HS > Bullshit! Our whole system is based on no religion, HS > or more properly, the right to believe, or NOT, as we HS > individually please. HS > And a Merry Xmas to you and also a Happy New Year. Our economy is based on the money religion. No time left, I'll explain later. the DVS one -- David Seikel - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Seikel@f3.n1031.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: (none) Date: 16 Mar 90 21:34:00 GMT I'm suprized you're suprized. Bud Hopkins has made no secret of the fact that he pretty much hand selects his cases from the many hundreds that seek salvation at his feet. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher? Date: 16 Mar 90 21:38:00 GMT Carlos Allende aka Carl Allen who also showed up at APRO and said it was all a hoax and later said his admission was not true that it wasn't a hoax. All in all a fellow one would obviously believe to be truthful! -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Gulf Breeze Date: 16 Mar 90 23:32:00 GMT > From: Craig Cholar <3432P@navpgs.bitnet> > > awhile back. The picture in question showed a disc shaped object > with > sloping sides, similiar in shape to the Jupiter II in the old > 'Lost in > Space' series. You know, I just watched "A Current Affair," and saw that photo for the first time ever. (I watched Unsolved Mysteries, but didn't notice that photo). I wonder where the heck it's been. That's not one that was published in the MUFON Journal. Do you think you could snap a Polaroid of your living room light and send it to me? Or better yet, send it to Bruce Maccabee. I can provide you the address in netmail. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Richard Murray & Congressional Amnesty Date: 17 Mar 90 05:44:00 GMT Ed: I really fail to see the appropriateness of the side issues that Murray raises in his package. Don't you think raising such issues to Congress simultaneously with the UFO issue does MUCH more harm than good? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Gulf Breeze and national media; Alternative-3 video tape Date: 17 Mar 90 05:51:00 GMT > and Walters' book, though.) At any rate, I would like to know how > much *national* TV, radio, magazine, and newspaper coverage these > sightings > have gotten. I know about the KNBC LA TV show, and the shlockily > (<- is > that a word?) produced UFO Coverup: Live! show. Does anybody know > about > other national exposure for Gulf Breeze? Please be as specific as > you > can. Thanks much. "A Current Affair" just featured it today. Maury Povitch's comments (after shaking his head) were, "The funny thing is, he seemed sane! And I think I actually like the guy. Too bad I just can't believe him." > > A UFO researcher friend wants to know how he can get a copy of the > video > tape of the British produced Alternative-3 show. He has seen this > on TV, I think. Also, I seem to recall that one of the authors > Leslie or > Watkins "confessed" that this show was a hoax. Does anyone know > more > about this. Thanks again. > The way I understand it, there was never any intent to hoax. It was done as fiction from the git-go, but the producers wanted to throw in the hint that it was "faction", ie, done as fiction only to protect real-life participants. (Remember the first "Night Stalker" movie?) This approach is a sure-fire way to get a movie talked about. This is the way it was explained to me, anyway. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher? Date: 17 Mar 90 05:53:00 GMT > ... would the name be the Saucerian Press, perchance? They were > highly regarded and published some real apocrypha, including the > annotated material on the Philadelphia Experiment (annotated by > the nut whose name escapes me at the moment -- the character who > talked to Jim & Coral Lorentzen, et al). Carlos Allende. > > I don't know if they're still in operation. Last I heard of > Saucerian Press was in 1978 or thereabouts... Saucerian was Gray Barker's outlet, I think. If I'm right, then no, it died with Barker about 3 years ago. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!John.Komar Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR A BOOK Date: 17 Mar 90 02:23:56 GMT In a message to John Komar <03-06-90 15:58> Phil Imbrogno wrote: PI=>JOHN THANKS FOR RESPONDING, KEEP IN TOUCH I'm glad you said that, Phil. [Grin] MUFON is updating their slide show presentation of about 50 slides at present. Dan Wright and I are handling the project. If you have anything of interest, I would appreciate borrowing it for copying, as we need first-generation slides/negatives. Regards, John -- John Komar - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Komar@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Bryon.Smith Subject: Re: Message From Sally Sheridan Date: 17 Mar 90 02:26:39 GMT That was a very interesting report and there might just be something to it. ...Bryon -- Bryon Smith - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bryon.Smith@f19.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: Gulf Breeze photos Date: 18 Mar 90 00:09:00 GMT I finished the Gulf Breeze Sightings book a couple of nights ago and let the info ferment for a little while. Once again I'm reminded that I should read all the info available before I open my big mouth, but the gist of what I've said in previous messages is still valid. A few more observations...... Three cameras were used for the photos. We're specifically told about the Nimslo and the Polaroid Model 600; however, the camera used for the first series is just an "old Polaroid." I consider that detail odd in that the Polaroid pack cameras had the model number stamped in big letters on the front of the cover *and* on the front of the camera itself. Walters even tells us he used Type 108 film in the pack camera. Why was any mention of the model of the first Polaroid camera used omitted? The model number of the Polaroid pack camera leads to something else to investigate. First, the model number of the first Polaroid used by Walters should be determined. Then, two other details should be determined. What is the shutter speed used when a flash is used, and what is the longest shutter speed the camera can use. It appears from a study of the photos in the book that the camera sets a somewhat longer shutter speed when the flash is not used than when the flash is used. That is, the photos taken with the flash are darker than the photos taken without the flash. The flash itself wouldn't have any effect on the exposure in that the object would have been too far away. Since the flash photos are darker, that tells me the camera used a faster shutter speed for the flash pictures than the non-flash pictures. The big question is what shutter speed was used for the non-flash pictures. Of the Polaroid pack cameras of that vintage, one model has a manually-set shutter, but one would have to have some photography knowlege to use it. I think we can exclude that model unless we are told otherwise. Also, it was somewhat more expensive than the other models. I think the camera used was one of the models which automatically set the shutter speed, aperture, or both. Now, the nitty-gritty part. *If* the camera sets the shutter speed, and the meter saw all that night sky, it would set the longest shutter speed it could. It would not selectively 'see' the object. The meter would see the entire frame, which is mostly dark sky. * What that longest shutter speed is determines whether the pictures could possibly have been taken as described. * For example, if the longest speed is, say, 1/30, it's indeed possible that the pictures could have been taken as described. If the shutter speed was, say, one second, Ed Walters would have had to have been steadier than any news photographer (or marksman) that I have ever met. And he would have had to do it 18 times, consistently. He would have had to do it while, he said, he was being pursued by an object which was shooting blue beams at him. And if I was investigating the pictures, I'd have him shoot quite a few at a verifiable one-second shutter speed setting. * They'd have to be just as sharp as his UFO pictures. * If the camera's longest shutter speed is more than one second, it would be impossible for the pictures to have been taken as described. In photo six in the book we see the object in the vicinity of a utility pole; presumably the object is farther away than the pole. A close examination of the object reveals that it's tack-sharp. However, a close examination of the light on the utility pole and the power lines reveals that the camera moved during the exposure. The light is an oblong blur which shows that the camera moved to the upper left, and the power lines are thick blurs which indicate an upward motion. I don't believe Walters panned the camera to follow the object, because I think we'd see much more blurring of the utility pole and lines. I think he was trying to hold the camera still. So we have a very sharp image of a UFO in a frame which has a blurred image of a utility pole, light and lines caused apparently by camera motion. Think about that. Photo 24 shows Frances Walters almost getting zapped by the blue beam. Isn't it amazing that Ed Walters had the camera prefocused on the spot she was going to come in the door so the picture wouldn't be blurry? Right? I find it interesting that Walters couldn't get a shot of the same object with the Nimslo, and then the MUFON folks didn't reload the camera and give it back to him. Those two items are rather curious. The later photos were all shot with Polaroid 600 cameras with flash, and presumably the cameras automatically set a hand-holdable shutter speed when the flash is turned on. I presume "Jane" and "Believer Bill" are still anonymous. The only other people who got pictures of the object are anonymous. One thing I noticed in reference to MUFON's knowlege of photography in general is really pointed out by the gear used by the stakeout man. He supposedly used an ISO 200 film and a 70-210 f3.5 zoom lens. Why ISO 200 film when ISO 1600 and 3200 color film was available then? Why a slow zoom lens? You can go shark fishing with a five-pound test line, but your chances of getting one in the boat are mighty slim. Dr. Maccabee may be a very good photointerpreter, but I sure didn't see any evidence that anyone with any really solid photographic experience was involved in the investigation. I'm talking taking pictures, not analysing them later. I personally believe the photos have been faked. It would take quite a bit of photography and darkroom experience to do it, but it could be done. I believe that people did see a UFO in Gulf Breeze, and Walters may indeed have seen it and even had the experiences he described in his book. However, I don't believe he took pictures of it. My mind is still open on the matter. True or not, the book is an extremely good read. As an aside, I live about 400 miles from Gulf Breeze and I could conceivably make a beeline there if everyone starts seeing UFOs again. I just usually find out about these things long after the fact. I have the gear and experience to confidently say that if I can see it, and it hangs around just long enough, I can photograph it. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jerry.Woody Subject: Strange flash of light Date: 18 Mar 90 06:40:00 GMT On March 17th around 9:40 CST my father and I observed an intense flash of yellow and white light. It lasted only a split second and lit up the entire surrounding sky. It happened so fast I wasn't sure if I did indeed see it but my father commented on it moments later and it indeed happened. It seemed to not only light up the sky but bath the surrounding area in the yellow/white light. My only explanation could be that the booster rockets from the failed communications satellite launch this week were re-entering the atmosphere. Does anyone have any information on this? Jerry -- Jerry Woody - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jerry.Woody@f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner Subject: School? Date: 18 Mar 90 07:07:00 GMT SB No at the present moment I am not attending college, have SB checked several of them and critera out and at the present SB time they offer nothing for me. SB Interests are in space-age technology and development. Maybe I could interest you in returning to school/college for a physics degree. The pay isn't much, but the answers that you might find eventually would be worth the effort. Worked for me..... I wish that I lived out in the country so that I could heed the call of my wandering thoughts as I stare at the face of Infinity. -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************