Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 186 Tuesday, March 27th 1990 Today's Topics: BEYOND.001 Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher? Re: Info-paranet Newsletter Re: Message From Don Ecker Your Message (none) Fundamentalism and ET's Re: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps Re: Message From Don Ecker Black Helicopters Re: Photos that look like art objects Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Re: Strange flash of light ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Linda.Murphy Subject: BEYOND.001 Date: 25 Mar 90 13:12:00 GMT I sent that file to you last year, and it is in your Ghost research files area. (???? scratching head ????). THat is from "Life Beyond Earth and The Mind of Man" a NASA publication on the first public symposium held at Boston University on 11-20-72 on SETI and the Search for Extraterrestrails. So what/why did it get put there? -- Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Signals Leaving Earth; Book Publisher? Date: 26 Mar 90 01:00:00 GMT Hi Linda. The banner on the deck of the Furuseth appears to say "Sailors' Union of the Pacific". The ship belonged to Matson Steamship Lines, San Francisco based, thus the union local would have been west coast. Of course, Allen/de joined the ship's company on the East Coast. Oran is a port in North Africa that was used for resupply of the Allied North Africa campaigns (against Rommel -- the first Allied effort against Germany that included American land forces). Later, Oran figured prominently in the resupply of the invasion forces aimed at Italy. The Furuseth made at least two voyages with convoys to Oran during 1943-44, according to the engineer's log (the only surviving logbook, per Richard Moore). The file you describe sounds interesting! Hope to see it sometime. I can send you a copy of the Harris paper if you like. Just leave a mailing address here (in email?) and I'll mail it off! Hang in there. Spring's coming. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Info-paranet Newsletter Date: 26 Mar 90 01:13:00 GMT Linda! Thank you for your observation on Mr. Phillip Klass's sideline in legal harassment. Activities like threatening legal action against universities that sponsor alternate technology symposia are EXACTLY the sort of things that make me wonder about Mr. Klass. Techniques like these, used first by leftist activists and now adopted by groups like Accuracy in Media and Accuracy in Academia to eliminate forums for debate. Nothing like a specious, multimillion dollar lawsuit to chill discussion, eh? Some people here have observed that Klass seems unlikely to be a really inspired government hatchetman. Assuming that he would not have threatened to sue if he wasn't prepared to sue (and suing people is easy and fun), then we must assume that he has resources to institute suit outside of his home area of Washington. Does anyone else know of Klass legal threats or Klass suits? -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Karen.Henderson Subject: Re: Message From Don Ecker Date: 25 Mar 90 11:25:33 GMT MC> To All CIS and ParaNet members: MC> This file is uploaded exactly as I received it. The file came to MC> me unsigned and in the proverbial brown paper envelope. The text MC> was postmarked from Canada, and it had no return address. In the MC> file you will see reference two photo's that were included. What MC> these were: a xerox of an aerial photo of the Carp, Ontario region MC> and a very poor xerox of what was supposed to be an alien. No MC> detail was observed. Just a poor shot of what appeared to be a MC> "Grey". All in all, this is extremely "suspect" and the only MC> reason that I uploaded it was that there had been much comment MC> regarding it, not only here but on ParaNet. So: MC> read it at your own risk. MC> Don Ecker MC> ***************************************************************** MC> The Alledged C/R of the 11/89 "Alien Starfighter" MC> Canadian and American Security Agencies are engaged in a conspiracy MC> of silence, to withhold from the world the alien vessel seized in MC> the swamps of Corkery Road, Carp, in 1989. MC> UFO sightings in the Ontario region had intensified in the 1980's, MC> specifically, around nuclear power generating stations. On Nov. MC> 4, 1989 at 20:00 hrs Canadian Defense Dept. radars picked up a MC> globe shaped object travelling at phenomenal speed over Carp, MC> Ontario. The UFO abruptly stopped, and dropped like a stone. MC> Canadian and American Security Agencies were immediately notified MC> of the landing. Monitoring satellites traced the movements of the MC> aliens to a triangular area. (see aerial map) off Almonte and MC> Corkery Roads. MC> The ship had landed in deep swamp near Corkery Road. Two AH-64 MC> Apaches and a UH-60 Blackhawk headed for the area the following MC> night. The helicopters carried full weapon loads. They were part MC> of a covert American unit that specialized in the recovery of alien MC> craft. MC> Flying low over Ontario pine trees the Apache attack choppers soon MC> spotted a glowing, blue, 20 metre in diameter sphere. As targeting MC> lasers locked-on, both gunships unleashed their full weapon loads MC> of 8 missiles each. All 16 were exploded in proximity bursts 10 MC> metres downwind from the ship. MC> The missiles were carrying VEXXON, a deadly neuroactive gas which MC> kills on contact. Exposed to air the gas breaks down quickly into MC> inert components. Immediately after having completed their mission MC> the gunships turned around, and headed back across the border. MC> Now the Blackhawk landed, as men exploded from its open doors. In MC> seconds the six man strike team had entered the UFO through a 7 MC> metre hatchless, oval portal. No resistance was encountered. At MC> the controls, 3 dead crewman were found. MC> With the ship captured, the US Air Force, Pentagon, and Office of MC> Naval Intelligence were notified. Through the night a special team MC> of technicians had shut-down and disassembled the sphere. Early MC> the next morning Nov. 6, 1989 construction equipment and trucks MC> were brought into the swamp. The UFO parts were transported to a MC> secret facility in Kanata, Ontario. MC> As a cover story the locals were informed that a road was being MC> built through the swamp. No smokescreen was needed for the MC> military activity as Canadian forces regularly train in the Carp MC> region. Officially nothing unusual was reported in the area. MC> Although someone anonymously turned in a 35mm roll of film. It was MC> received by the National Research Council of Canada, in Ottawa. MC> The film contained several clear shots of an entity holding a MC> light. (see photo) At this time the photographer is still MC> unidentified. MC> The humanoids were packed in ice and sent to an isolation chamber MC> at the Univ. of Ottawa. CIA physiologists performed the autopsies. MC> The reptilian, fetus-headed beings, were listed as CLASS 1 NTE's. MC> (Non Terrestrial Entities) Like others recovered in previous MC> operations, they were muscular, grey-white skinned, humanoids. MC> The ship was partially reassembled at the underground facility in MC> Kanata. Unlike previous recoveries this one is pure military. MC> Built as a "Starfighter" it is heavily armed and armored. In MC> design no rivets, bolts, or welds were used in fastening, yet when MC> reconstructed there are no seams. The UFO itself is made up of a MC> matrixed dielectric magnesium alloy. It is driven by pulsed MC> electromagnetic fields generated by a cold fusion reactor. All MC> offensive capabilities utilize independently targeting electronic MC> beam weapons. In the cargo hold were found ordnance racks MC> containing fifty Soviet nuclear warheads. Their purpose was MC> revealed by advanced tactical/combat computers located in the MC> flight deck. MC> Threatened by recent East-West relations, and the revolutionary MC> movements within itself, Red China is preparing for the final MC> ideological war. The aliens have agreed to defend China from the MC> free world's combined military and nuclear forces. MC> At this time China is arming the Middle East with their own nuclear MC> arsenals, in order that they can successfully take on Israel. MC> Unifying the Arabs under one Chinese command was simple, especially MC> with Israel's recent "iron fist" attitude toward occupied MC> territories. MC> The Soviet warheads found in the UFO were destined for Syria. CIA MC> operatives in the Middle East have noticed huge movements of MC> Chinese "technicians" and "advisors". China is also supplying the MC> Arabs with bacteriological agents, Migs, Hind gunships, tanks, and MC> missile launchers. MC> The use of "Soviet" instead of "Chinese" nukes is part of a MC> disinformation campaign to break up East-West relations after the MC> annihilation of Israel. The Warheads were hijacked from Soviet MC> subs in the Dragon's Triangle. A section of alien controlled MC> Pacific once frequented by Russian subs. After losing some 900 MC> high yield warheads and 13 vessels, commanders were ordered to MC> steer clear of the area. MC> The most important alien-tech. find were the 2 milimetre, spheroid, MC> brain implants. Surgical inserted through the nasal orifice the MC> individual can be fully monitored and controlled. The CIA and MC> Canadian Govt have actively supported mind-slave experiments for MC> years. Currently the Univ. of Ottawa is involved in ELF wave mind MC> control programs. A continuation of the CIA psychological warfare MC> project known as MKULTRA, started at the Allen Memorial Institute MC> in Montreal. MC> Using ELF signals transmitted at the same wavelength the human MC> brain uses, the researchers could subliminally control the test MC> subject. The alien implants utilize the same principles except MC> that the whole unit is subminiaturized and contained in the brain. MC> Fortunately the implants can be detected by magnetic resolution MC> scanning technology. All individuals implanted by the aliens are MC> classified as ZOMBIES. MC> The ZOMBIES have been programmed to help overthrow Mankind in the MC> near future. When China finishes with Israel it will invade MC> Europe. At the same time Chinese spacebased bacteriological MC> weapons will be launched at the Arctic. The winds will carry the MC> diseases into Russia and North America. In days 100's of millions MC> will be dead, survivors will have to deal with Chinese, aliens, and MC> the ZOMBIES. MC> The aliens want all out war so that human resistance would be MC> minimal, when they invade. They tried this same tactic once before MC> with Nazi Germany. Most of the scientific advances we have today MC> came from German science which was based on alien technology. Had MC> Hitler won the war, the earth would have become a concentration MC> camp.In order to depopulate the continents for the aliens. MC> Data aboard the sphere explained why the aliens are so comfortable MC> on our world. They preceded man on the evolutionary scale by MC> millions of years; created with the dinosaurs. Some 675 million MC> years ago an interdimensional war destroyed most of their MC> civilization, and forced them to leave the earth. Now they have MC> chosen to reclaim what was once theirs. MC> The alien forces with their Chinese and Arab allies will attack MC> within the next 5 years. Waiting longer than that would make it MC> impossible even for the aliens to reverse the ecological damage MC> inflicted on the Earth by Man. MC> ***************************************************************** MC> Makes an interesting beginning for a book! I am suspicious that such aliens would play around with earth people, expecially to the extent of pitting nations against each other. If this stuff was true, the people of the earth had better be told the truth, and fast, by their respective goverments.! -- Karen Henderson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Karen.Henderson@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Karen.Henderson Subject: Your Message Date: 25 Mar 90 11:28:01 GMT Got it a bit late. Yes, revelation of UFO's might even spawn new religions! -- Karen Henderson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Karen.Henderson@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lll-winken!well!ddrasin Subject: (none) Date: 27 Mar 90 00:49:00 GMT Canadian Pounce Thanks to Don Ecker for posting that very curious upload in Info- Paranet Newsletter 185 about that alleged Canadian "pounce." I find it intriguing from several points of view, and note the presence a number of elements that smell of "generic hoax." For example, a) A source who somehow magically knows many of the complex and presumably ultra-secret details from many levels and different points of view simultaneously... b) Technospeak founded on popular buzzwords ("matrixed dielectric magnesium alloy," "pulsed electromagnetic fields driven by a cold fusion reactor," ELF technology [which, by the way, doesn't seem well- matched to ultraminiaturization] etc.).. c) Invocation of well-known details from other types of cases (this "starfighter" just happened to be carrying a supply of brain implants!) d) Generalizations such as "Most of the scientific advances we have today came from German science which was based on alien technology." e) Information that just happened to be lying around (on board this particular, specialized craft?!) that explains " why the aliens are so comfortable on our world. They preceded man on the evolutionary scale by millions of years; created with the dinosaurs... etc." and goes on to reveal further historical details... and also happens to explain (In English?) exactly where the warheads in question were destined, i.e., Syria, and *why*! f) Details that don't seem to jibe, for example "muscular" grey-white- skinned reptoids, like "others recovered in previous operations." Huh? Hm.... never heard these types described as "muscular" before... g) Carelessness. You'd explode gas missiles *upwind* of the target, not downwind. h) Borderline-absurd details that happen to support other allegations -- such as "Advanced tactical/combat computers" from which we were somehow able to extract the "purpose" of the Soviet warheads. Never mind that the alleged warheads were said to be *in transit to Syria* and not part of the armamentarium of the craft itself. ... and more. Of course it might essentially be true, but poorly reported, or embroidered along the way for one reason or another, or... well, who knows? =dd= -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.) Subject: Fundamentalism and ET's Date: 27 Mar 90 01:01:05 GMT Jim: I don't know where Morris's statement originally appeared; I read about it in one of the accounts of the court cases. It might be in "The Genesis Flood," the book that launched Neo- Creationism in the 1960's. The other remarks are from my own conversations with Fundamentalists. I've tried the "There are many mansions in My Father's House" argument on F's as evidence that the Bible does not preclude a "plurality of inhabited worlds," but was told that my theology was wrong. I didn't mean to imply that the Christological arguments are convincing to all X'ians. Many non-F mainstream denominations have no trouble with the possibilities of ET's, though interesting questions are raised. Some of these appeared in SF stories in the 1950's. However, with very few exceptions, most of the deeply religious people I have met in recent years were F's. This has been particularly true since I began living in Houston. Those that weren't F's were mostly Roman Catholics. I don't know the RC position on the subject. --- John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps Date: 25 Mar 90 22:13:00 GMT In Additon to those problems, I'm sure I've seen cheap one piece stamps that were made on a machine that puts movable negatives together to make the positive stamp and that were so cheap you could tell it was made of "parts", just like a movable letter stamp is. I also had wondered if it might be a moveable stamp when I first saw the documents but it looked as good as any regular quality stamper to me. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Message From Don Ecker Date: 25 Mar 90 22:23:00 GMT Gee, it's a good thing the aliens haven't caught on to the idea of using a nerve gas to wipe us out even though thats what we use on them. I guess it makes more sense for them to engage in a convoluted waging of WW2.5 with the chinese as the spearhead. WHy do it the easy way if you can come up with a convoluted paranoid way instead. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Schwartz Subject: Black Helicopters Date: 26 Mar 90 07:24:00 GMT I would be interested in any information anyone would have regarding unmarked black helicopters, of a military nature. I had a near run in with one around the end of last week, going up the Mt. Lemmon Rd. near Tucson. Was not of a make with which I am familiar (and I do know a bit about aviation and different types of helicopters). It _was_ heavily armed and displayed no markings of any kind. I have been told that similar craft are used with UFO investigations (according to a friend on another BBS who referred me here). Any help would be appreciated. Also, does anyone know anything about the Tesla society. Any information on Tesla would be appreciated (a personal long standing interest). Thanks, I am glad to be here. Please put me on your subscription list. -- Michael Schwartz - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Schwartz@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Photos that look like art objects Date: 26 Mar 90 15:12:00 GMT Except for the very simpliest of light fixtures, it would be far easier to fake a UFO then it would be to fake a light fixture that matched a UFO. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Date: 27 Mar 90 02:17:00 GMT There are a lot of things that are vague in the bible, but I guess all{ people need to choose their own beliefs or otherwise it wouldn't be religion if there wasn't a choice. For me I see the Bible as a record of past historical events open to interpretation. Howeverif it starts to rain for forty days and nights, I will start building my ark on the 21st just in case History repeats itself. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Strange flash of light Date: 27 Mar 90 02:24:00 GMT Whatever caused the noise on my previous message to you always started just as I was giving you the details. The interesting part of the problem is that the man is having problems communicating as well. The phone company says his phone is working , but it isn't. Now I will try to tell you again and see what happens. A man in North Ala. filmed a white sphere while he was chasing the red ball of light that was seen several days ago. He missed the red light, but got the white sphere instead. When he and his wife were running back the tape to view it his mobilehome started shaking and vibrating, apparently quite strongly. He and his wife went outside where they saw the white sphere 3' over his house. His phones went dead as well. He was quite scared. Well that was the basic stuff anyway. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************