Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 187 Wednesday, March 28th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Gulf Breeze photos Re: Gulf Breeze photos Re: Strange flash of light Re: Message From Don Ecker Re: Gulf Breeze Photos (none) Director of Security Re: Science Fiction Come True Re: Gulf Breeze Re: Gulf Breeze photos Re: Gulf Breeze Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Re: Gulf Breeze Re: Gulf Breeze Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter MJ-12 Rubber Stamps Re: For Your Info Klass acts Re: Gulf Breeze photos Re: Gulf Breeze Re: The 'Alien Starfighter' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos Date: 27 Mar 90 02:33:00 GMT I totally agree with that, but there has to be some method for standing. There are some things which can't stand on their own merits because merits are in the eyes of the giver, not the receiver. Some people are skilled communicators and get their points accross very well. Others are uncomfortable about what they are saying so they are disbelieved because they aren't convincing. Mr. Ed. may have or may have not hoaxed the pictures, but in the words of Saucer Smear Mosely, he doesn't sound like a "crackpot" What ever Ed did you have to admit he has been very successful at what he has done. I would say presently the score is Ed 2 , others 1 and it is the bootom of the 9th. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos Date: 27 Mar 90 04:19:00 GMT I'd give Ed 1 other 2 but that's from my point of view. WHen you have so many instances of multiple witnesses where the only one who seems to get the good photo is ED you have to have serious reservations. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Strange flash of light Date: 27 Mar 90 04:28:00 GMT And on what basis do you beleive any of his story? SImply because he says it's true? Because it sounds good? Is there any evidence at the trailer site of recent movement of the trailer? WHat's the man's drug and alcohol history? How often in the past has he seen these things. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Message From Don Ecker Date: 27 Mar 90 01:30:00 GMT > Makes an interesting beginning for a book! I am suspicious I am suspicious, too, Karen. If it were just a book, other people have done it better... Since it's not a book, I sort of wish it had arrived with its plain brown wrapper clearly marked: "Fiction -- handle with care". Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Photos Date: 27 Mar 90 09:02:00 GMT > Do you know if anyone else who took pictures of the > object has ever been identified? As a matter of fact, one gentleman who has preferred to remain anonymous (going by the name "Believer Bill") is known to several people, including Mr. Ed, Duane Cook (editor of the GB Sentinel) and to ParaNet's own self-styled "prophet," Ray Griffin (though Griffin denies this). And of course, to us at ParaNet. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: (none) Date: 26 Mar 90 23:28:00 GMT To: Dan Drasin > Pssst... Did anyone hear the Billy Goodman show a few > nights ago? He > was supposed to be interviewing a Roswell witness who had > just > recently come out of the closet (i.e., back into the > country). The guest that you refer to was Clifford Stone. According to Moore & Company, Stone has some very good information on Roswell as a military person during that time. However, we are investigating Stone's background to determine how reliable he is. We will post a message on the outcome. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Director of Security Date: 26 Mar 90 23:37:00 GMT ParaNet is pleased to announce the apppointment of Don Ecker as Director of Network Security. ParaNet has experienced phenomenal growth and the need for this has become very apparent. Don, sysop of ParaNet Alpha-Delta, has been appointed Director of ParaNet Network Security. Ecker is a veteran of Viet Nam, having served 26 months in SouthEast Asia with Special Operations. Upon returning to the States, he returned to college and after a year at school applied to the municipal Police Department and was accepted. Leaving after a year, he rejoined the private sector and entered business in the world of finance. After several years he returned to police work, and after serving as a uniformed officer was made a detective, and became a criminal investigator. In 1982 he first became aware of the mutilation phenomenon when called upon to investigate several cattle mutilations. While involved in a SWAT TEAM exercise in 1986, he was wounded which led to his medical retirement. While recuperating he became interested again in the UFO enigma, and was soon convinced that the best way to investigate it was to treat the subject like a criminal investigation. Joining MUFON, he was asked to serve as a State Section Director and Investigator. Learning of ParaNet in 1987, he joined as an assistant sysop with the old ParaNet RHO. During additional investigations of cattle mutilations occurring in Idaho, the first of a number of cases of what appeared to be "human mutilations" came to his attention and resulted in investigations into this bizarre area of research. Ecker has written articles for UFO Magazine, reported news and written book reviews. He spoke on his research in mutilations at the 1989 MUFON Conference, has lectured on the subject before numerous organizations, and appeared on both radio and television programs speaking on the phenomenon. Security is a vital concern for any type of network such as ours. I ask you to extend a warm welcome to Don. Michael Corbin Administrator -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Science Fiction Come True Date: 25 Mar 90 08:22:00 GMT In a similar vein, I read a story about how it is already possible to make little tiny capsules, on the order of one-eigth inch, that can be "read" by a local reading device. I had heard of similar devices also that that were proposed to replace military dog tags. These devices would be placed under an animals skin or in a soliders tooth for postive ID purposes. Since they can be "read" from a distance, the "1984" implications are chilling. Given the inevitible further minituratization that will take place, the day will come when you would be able to be implanted with these things completely unknown to yourself and could be tracked. Now it doesn't take a genius to see the similarities between this and the claimed implants done on abductees. The problem that I find in the comparison is that "we" already have these implants down to very tiny and easy to implant size; I would thing the Aliens would have gotten them down to something better then the claimed size and method of implant. Also, since this is now becomeing a mass media story, it means it was a specialized media story some years back and I can't help wondering if someone picked up on it unconcously and got the alien implant theorizing started from that. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Date: 25 Mar 90 08:26:00 GMT Has Macabee ever come out with a clear statment of just what specific methods of analysis he used on the photos? -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos Date: 25 Mar 90 13:49:00 GMT Quite true, but aren't you generalizing. I'm not defending Ed., but he has done a lot outside of UFOs for the community. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Date: 25 Mar 90 14:04:00 GMT I belong to no organized groups ( other than reading Paranet ). I have for sometime (years) been in the right place at the right time. You might think that I'm creating some of this information, but I'm not. I am under no obligation to anyone to reveal my sources. The recent activity and response from within Paranet is a good example why no matter how close or what you say, there is going to be a problemwith the twisting of information. I respect Paranet for it's service, and intend to obey the rules of conduct, but I have my own code of reponse which I've followed for many years. There is a lot of material involved in the paranormal, and UFOs are only part of the areas which I am pursueing. I've given very accurate information about many sides of the field, but it is impossible to remain unintangled if I connect myself with any organization. Most of the information I give out is done for specific reasons, and very few know of it. I intentionally checked the water temperature recently with some of my riddle type messages, and I don't think the subject is hot enough yet. I also should add this is not a contest where I will be acting for attention. As I said earlier, I am not following anyone else's agenda. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Date: 25 Mar 90 14:07:00 GMT I think you are burning a strawman. The bible is the best source of some possibly historical facts. Many of them suggests ET visits. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Date: 25 Mar 90 14:11:00 GMT Perhaps Dr. M. was instructed by some source to do as he has done, and it is not a professional opinion. This might be pertinent. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Date: 25 Mar 90 14:14:00 GMT 6 months before the midwest flap, I got a list of home towns, from some folks at Eureka Springs meeting. Each one of the people had strong sightings in their hometowns. Makes you wonder what the source is don't it ? -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Date: 25 Mar 90 16:12:00 GMT > Many of them suggests ET > visits. Yes, but mainly to the suggestible. Its ALL open to interpretation. Since none of the tracts in the Bible that could be ET-related can be verified, and since they are all subject to interpretation, I choose to simply ignore them until such time as they become useful - which may very well never happen. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps Date: 25 Mar 90 17:45:00 GMT Recently I reported here that CAUS was set to publish a damaging article on William Moore, in which they would show that the rubber stamps used to stamp "TOP SECRET" on the documents were very similar to the rubber stamps Moore uses to address his envelopes. That article has appeared (Just Cause, March 1990), and for the record, I am unimpressed. The author, Robert Todd, tries to build a case on the basis of the capital letter "I" being slightly out of alignment with the rest of the letters in both "MAJIC" and "WILLIAM". The fact is, try as I might, I can't see the alignment anomaly in the WILLIAM stamp. Further, the type styles are similar, but the size is different. I also find it hard to believe that the same person who obviously spent months researching the backgrounds of various individuals to find 12 who would fit the historicity requirements of MJ-12, would not have the forethought to purchase a rubber stamp that would match the type style in use by Those Who Classify. This is neither to defend Moore, nor to condemn Todd. I simply require much more thorough research at this point, in order to answer several questions: 1) What font is normally used by Those Who Classify? 2) If no single font, are there any other examples from confirmed documents using the same font? 3) Is it possible that Those Who Classify sometimes use movable-type rubber stamps, as does Moore? These seemingly basic questions are not even addressed by Todd. While I still have difficulty believing Moore would pull such an outrageous bonehead stunt like hoaxing these documents himself, I am all ears, and I encourage Todd to continue his investigation along these lines. Jim Speiser -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: For Your Info Date: 25 Mar 90 17:57:00 GMT > BTW, talked with John Keel last night about UFOlogy in France and > he says that the French gov't gave up on its own (secret) UFO > research in disgust. Instead, the enlightened French now provide > DIRECT GRANTS to UFO study groups to evaluate present & past > sightings. Was he speaking of GEPAN? I didn't know that that was secret, nor did I know that they had given up in disgust. Didn't you and I hear otherwise at MUFON 87 in DC? > > I actually packed up the videocassette & will > mail it tomorrow! Will wonders never cease! The REAL wonder will be if I can find the damn Roswell segment after all this time! Will give it a shot, though, and if I can't, I'll find someone that does have it. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Klass acts Date: 25 Mar 90 18:07:00 GMT Thanks, Linda, I was just getting ready to cite the U of N incident to John. By the way, in fairness to CSICOP, they immediately disassociated themselves from the statement by Endicott, saying that some of their number do go to extremes that they do not endorse. This was the main reasoning behind their decision not to organize in "chapters," but to let the satellite organizations remain autonomous. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos Date: 25 Mar 90 21:52:00 GMT Sure it's a generalization but Charlie Keating did a lot "for" the community, like giving charity large sums of money, before his house of cards collapsed. Of course, now we know that that money was essentially stolen from retires. While the background of someone may be of interest, I still think the evidence should stand of fall on it's own merits. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Date: 25 Mar 90 22:03:00 GMT Pardon me for being frank, but the main agenda you seem to be following is one to cast yourself as someone "in the know" without actually having provided any useable information. At the risk of rehashing an old assertion of mine -- the type of statmenty you make are qualitatively no different then what Jean Dixon froths up at the beginning of each year. Even if you were for real ( and you can guess my positon on that one) it wouldn't make any difference because you aren't provideing anything of value. Kind of like the psychic who could tell the winner of horse races ahead of time but won't do so on moral grounds (it would be missue of the power) -- Yeah right, and can I sell you a nice brigde in Brooklyn? -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Will Martin Subject: Re: The 'Alien Starfighter' Date: 27 Mar 90 17:23:45 GMT -+Flying low over Ontario pine trees the Apache attack choppers soon -+spotted a glowing, blue, 20 metre in diameter sphere. As targeting -+lasers locked-on, both gunships unleashed their full weapon loads -+of 8 missiles each. All 16 were exploded in proximity bursts 10 -+metres downwind from the ship. ^^^^^^^^ -+The missiles were carrying VEXXON, a deadly neuroactive gas which -+kills on contact... Why would anyone launch a chemical-weapon strike *downwind* of a target? You hit it UPWIND, so the wind carries the agent to it. Also I never heard of "VEXXON"; was someone thinking of the oil company? There is a chemical agent called "VE", as I recall. I'll have to dig out some of my manuals for more info if it is needed. I wouldn't trust a neuro-agent chemical weapon to be effective on alien physiology unless I already had evidence it worked. I suppose this is to imply the strike force was well-experienced in attacking aliens. Also, a spacecraft, of all things, isn't that likely to be sitting open to the atmosphere, and thus chemical weaponry is one of the *last* things I'd try against it, not a first-strike choice as described here. Anyway, thanks for posting this; it is interesting. Not too believeable, but interesting... 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