Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 191 Saturday, March 31st 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Black Helicopters Re: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps Hidden knowledge??? (Mike read before posting) Re: Alien Starfighter (Carp, Ontario) (none) Carp, Ont. Hanky Panky Re: Science Fiction Come True Re: Black helicopters Star Fighter Balogne Klass again Tesla Information Re: Say What ?!??? Re: Richard Murray information packet Re: School? Re: Klass acts Re: Gulf Breeze Re: Default - By Daemon Mailer Congrats Re: Black Helicopters Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Re: The 'Alien Starfighter' I dun ben thunking 'gain! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Will Martin Subject: Re: Black Helicopters Date: 29 Mar 90 16:23:03 GMT In the Tucson area, and anywhere in the Southwest, and for that matter anywhere along the borders, I would automatically expect such armed but unmarked helicopters to be DEA. Is there any reason that causes you to think otherwise? Regards, Will Martin wmartin@st-louis-emh2.army.mil OR wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Gross Subject: Re: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps Date: 29 Mar 90 19:21:57 GMT # From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser # Subject: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps # # This is neither to defend Moore, nor to condemn Todd. I simply # require much more thorough research at this point, in order to answer # several questions: 1) What font is normally used by Those Who Classify? # 2) If no single font, are there any other examples from confirmed # documents using the same font? 3) Is it possible that Those Who Classify # sometimes use movable-type rubber stamps, as does Moore? These seemingly # basic questions are not even addressed by Todd. While I still have # difficulty believing Moore would pull such an outrageous bonehead stunt # like hoaxing these documents himself, I am all ears, and I encourage # Todd to continue his investigation along these lines. Jim, It has been beaucoups years since I dealt with this. As I recall from my days in the defense industry where I had responsibility for classifying and marking documents, there were a number of different sizes used depending upon where you were marking. Inside the document on the pages, we used one size of rubber stamp. On the covers of a document, we used a larger size stamp. The actual point size I don't recall right off hand. Although, 36 points keeps coming to the forefront of my thinking. The other thing to consider is whether or not the standard has changed over the years. Probably not, but with the government and the military, anything is possible. ;-) As for the movable type stamp, I recall using one while at a defense company in Florida. We had a complete set of letters and numbers in different point sizes. As I recall, it was a messy thing to work with and the letters/numbers were sometimes a bit crooked and out of align. Hope this helps some. Maybe there are some others out there that can better answer this. I'm just giving you my two cents worth--send the change later. ;-) As for MJ-12, I'm not convinced one way or another. Though I tend to lean away from it being a real group. Legends have a way of growing up around things, if you catch my drift. MJ-12 could be a fabrication out of whole cloth, or out of partial truth. The thing that to me seems most important is that the government has investigated UFOs, and still does despite its protestations to the contrary. Much of its investigative material is still classified, which seems rather strange considering that they say there is nothing to it. I can understand their concern for keeping intelligence methods and sources classified, but surely all the information that they are keeping classified can't fall into this arena. That stretches my credulity to the breaking point. As I've said before, it is possible that such a super-secret group could have been formed for a limited time and then taken on a life of its own that kept it going for years later. But I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me of that yet. Gene -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Gross Subject: Hidden knowledge??? (Mike read before posting) Date: 29 Mar 90 19:22:25 GMT # From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin # Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze [Ray claims to have some hidden or secret knowledge. I deleted his comments.] Ray, You have failed to impress me. You seem to be claiming secret knowledge. Personally, I find this sort of claim to usually be over-rated and assumes that the reader is without some sort of mental capacity for discrimination between fact and fiction. For years, I have listened to the swamis, fakirs, fortune-tellers, seers, and cardreaders say the same thing. Yet, I have not found one to be truthful, nor accurate. And I realize that each of on the net probably has a personal agenda concerning the topics under discussion and consideration, but so far people aren't trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. Sometimes there are some, IMHO, outlandish statements made, but then the field of the paranormal and UFOs can lead to some outlandish things, i.e., the article that Don Ecker recently posted from an anonymous person. That person pretended to some secret knowledge. Frankly, Ray, IMHO you have done yourself a great disservice by your statements. And I won't speak for anyone else on the echo, but as for me, I'm insulted by your statements. You insult my intelligence and my credibility. Now, I don't need nor ask for an apology. What I do want is for you to play it straight. If you have some knowledge that could help explain things, then get down here in the mud with the rest of us and share it. Gene Gross ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gary L Dare Subject: Re: Alien Starfighter (Carp, Ontario) Date: 29 Mar 90 20:46:16 GMT -+From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker -+Date: 28 Mar 90 04:29:00 GMT -+That file on the alledged Canadian C/R also "**could**" have been the -+result of ingesting a quart of Tequila. But as you have stated, -+"Who knows?" Among the other dubious points in the Alien Starfighter story (maybe from an episode of "War of the Worlds"? (-; ), Kanata is a suburb of Ottawa, our nation's (Canada's) capital. It's quite well populated, with a couple of large roads, industrial/research parks, etc. There may be some DND (Dept. of National Defence) buildings out there, but it's doubtful that the University of Ottawa has the kind of facilities to hold alien bodies and/or pieces of aircraft. (Not even Carleton, the bigger and more prestigeous university in Ottawa, is capable of doing such.) Besides, U of Ottawa is mainly an arts & humanities school with a small engineering faculty, and on the other side of town to boot! It's only claim to fame is that it's the most famous entirely bilingual university in Canada (french has crept into McGill slowly). After reading the story, my first thought was that the author was trying to take advantage of Americans' extensive knowledge of Canada! (-; Wasn't Carp the location of the UFO landing site that DND and the US jointly ran during the Diefenbaker and Pearson (Kennedy and Johnson) eras? gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare Winnipeg Jets: -+ gld@cunixD.cc.columbia.EDU Miracle on Ice, -+ gld@cunixc.BITNET Stanley Cup 1990? ---------------------------------------------------------- From: isis!well!ddrasin (Dan Drasin) Subject: (none) Date: 30 Mar 90 01:09:49 GMT Carp Subject: Carp, Ont. Hanky Panky -+ Don't forget to mention the size of the ship compared to the size -+ required to carry as many warheads as reported. Wait a minute, Mike. Aren't some alien craft supposed to be larger inside than outside? =|8^) -+ That file on the alledged Canadian C/R also "**could**" have been -+ the result of ingesting a quart of Tequila. I think you've nailed it, Don. =d= ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Gross Subject: Re: Science Fiction Come True Date: 30 Mar 90 07:11:54 GMT # From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton # Subject: Re: Science Fiction Come True # # In a similar vein, I read a story about how it is already possible to # make little tiny capsules, on the order of one-eigth inch, that can be # "read" by a local reading device. I had heard of similar devices also # ................................................ # the claimed size and method of implant. Also, since this is now # becomeing a mass media story, it means it was a specialized media story # some years back and I can't help wondering if someone picked up on it # unconcously and got the alien implant theorizing started from that. Jim, You raise a good point about how much was known and when. Was the information used to help bolster someone's "thinking"? Sadly, I don't think we will ever really know. Part of the reason that I posted that piece was because of its similarity to some of the things said about implantation done on abductees. Also, I posted it because it is interesting information to know. I would like to see more information on the tiny capsules you make reference to in your post. BTW, what is the claimed size for the alien implants? I don't recall any specifics on this. Must be old age again. Smack-smack!! Don't nobody laugh--your turn is coming! ;-) Gene --------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Gross Subject: Re: Black helicopters Date: 30 Mar 90 07:12:26 GMT # # From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Schwartz # Subject: Black Helicopters # # I would be interested in any information anyone would have regarding # unmarked black helicopters, of a military nature. I had a near run in Michael, There are a couple of new choppers in the inventory that appear to be black. Without seeing a photo or a drawing of some sort, I can't tell you for sure which one you might have seen. The markings are quite hard to see on them, but they are there--at least on the ones I've seen, but I had to look hard to see them. When you say that "it _was_ heavily armed" what do you mean? I've seen several with rocket pods and other weapons, but the pods were empty and the machine guns were not loaded. I would have a hard time telling from a distance if the chopper was loaded or not. BTW, what were you doing when you encountered this beastie? Sounds like you were flying. Is this indeed the case? As for the Tesla society, there are several files on the ParaNet BBS that concern Tesla and the society. I know--I looked them up. ;-) Gene ------------------------------------------------------- From swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) Subject: Star Fighter Balogne Date: 30 Mar 90 07:13:02 GMT -+The brain is not an electronic device, but an electrochemical -+one; It neither broadcasts nor receives significant RF power. While ELF is entirely a different matter, it is a fact that wide-beam microwaves beamed at a person's head and properly modulated will cause them to hear strange disembodied voices in their head (or whatever you modulate onto the microwave carrier). I did a report on this for a physics class in high school. The research on this was done twenty years ago. --Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.COM ---------------------------------------------------------- From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.) Subject: Klass again Date: 30 Mar 90 07:14:24 GMT Can anyone furnish me with more details on the U of Nebraska suit threatened by Klass? I am curious how he was able to show sufficient "standing" or direct interest in the outcome to be able to sue. Did he have a proxy in Lincoln to file for him? Universities have large legal departments and may also enjoy some degree of "sovereign immunity" as state agencies. Hence they should be able to ignore most nuisance suits. It is possible that his case was based on misuse of government funds and/or separation of church and state. I know of a case in Seattle where a local minister sued to force the University of Washington to drop a non-credit Krishna Consciousness class on the grounds that it was teaching the practice of a religion, which in fact it was. --- John ----------------------------------------------------------- From MTG@csi.compuserve.com Subject: Tesla Information Date: 30 Mar 90 07:14:56 GMT Michael Schwartz had asked about finding out information about Tesla... thought that might be a good opportunity to mention his biography by Margaret Cheney, called _Tesla: Man Out of Time_, which I'm about halfway through now. It's utterly riveting and seems remarkably complete and detailed... has anyone read any other detailed Tesla stuff to compare it with? Anyways, since it's in paperback, it's not too expensive, either. Cheney, Margaret, "Tesla: Man Out of Time", ISBN 0-440-39077-X, Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group. - Mark G. ----------------------------------------------------- From paranet!f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Re: Say What ?!??? Date: 28 Mar 90 03:40:00 GMT JD>Sad to say, you can't expect much from a congressional investigation. The really sensitive and telling material in the Iran-contra HEarings (like the CIA drug connections) was shunted off into the closed portions of the hearings that, for the most part, we never find out what went on in. One COngressmen tried to open the door a little during the hearings and was ilmmediately stopped in his tracks by the chairmen with some comment to the effect of "We agreed that would only be discussing in closed sessions." Maybe old "wild Bill" Cooper isn't so crazy after all..I just read a report off the Alt.Conspicy conf called "The UFO Conspiracy", written by David E. Stewart who gives a transcript of a 45 min lecture by Bill Cooper when he was at the "Whole Life Expo" back in Nov 17,1989 in Los Angeles,Calif. I won't go into the bulk of the report as most of it has been hashed and re-hashed,however, there's one section in where wild Bill just might have something but it would be damned hard now to prove it. In his OPERATION MAJORITY breakdown he doesn't mince any words about declaring that "in the documents that I read,in Operation Majority, it was specifically stated that when George Bush was the president and CEO of Sapata (sp) Oil,he in conjunction with the CIA, organized the first large-scale drug importation into this country from South and Central America by fishing boat, to the offshore oil platforms of Sapata Oil, and then from there into the beach, thus bypassing all Customs inspections and law-enforcement inspections of any kind. They are STILL (emphasis mine) bringing in drugs, to a limited extent, in this manner. Another manner is by CIA contract aircraft which, one of their bases of landing is Homestead Air Force Base in Florida. We have affidavits from air controllers who have vectored the planes in, who have made sure that they're not interfered with in any way. We have affidavits from personnel at Homestead Air Force Base who say that the planes have been met by Jeb Bush,who is George Bush's son. We have affidavits from people who work in the Gulf of Mexico, in the offshore oil business, that yes indeed, the drugs are coming in, at least some of them, from the offshore oil platforms." Maybe Bill has something here,maybe not I dunno. But it gives me pause to think about especially when all the hoopla in the media about the "War on Drugs", and our most recent invasion of Panama, and all the other "dog and pony" shows going on in the world. Even though the administration changes every 4 years,we still continue to see the SAME players. I afraid I'll have to agree with you the depth that a congressional probe will go..You're right about the Iran-Contra trial having to resort to several closed-door sessions..no doubt it was about HOW Ollie and "the boys" were raising cash. You don't think Hasenfus's plane was caught empty now do you? I watched and taped several hours off C-Span when the hearings were first on...the one phrase that still sticks to me like a bad penny is the remark the Ollie made about the CIA director Casey's desire to create a "off the shelf and self standing" secret govt via the NSA. I certainly don't entertain the foolish notion that a simplistic probe will do the trick..we need BIG GUNS for this thing. -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------------------------------- From paranet!f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Re: Richard Murray information packet Date: 28 Mar 90 03:54:00 GMT JS>I'm disinclined to post there. I don't see how Libertarians could believe in an open and honest government, since they don't seem to believe in government at all. Why sure they do Jim. They just put more value on PEOPLE instead of just the institition of govt. And sure,there's some debates about how abusive our govt is but I think you have to look at what the platform of the LP is overall. They're more into the grass-roots campaigning for positions in local and state levels so they can offer an alternative viewpoint instead of the usaul drivel we come to know our politicians by. I don't agree with everything on the LP platform,but I see the party as a viable alternative IF THEY can establish themselves better in the next few years. -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG ----------------------------------------------------- From paranet!f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner Subject: Re: School? Date: 26 Mar 90 22:29:00 GMT Welp, let's see if I remember much of any of it.... The labs can be tediously boring, but if you want to learn the discipline of trained observation and statistical methods, you gotta go to them. Also, math....yep, the "M" word that scares so many off. If you can deal with simple division, you can do the geometry involved. In fact, I strongly recommend a college geometry class/course along with any algebra that you might consider useful. The next step, somewhere around the second sophmore semester, will be to live, breath, eat and dream calculus. That can be thought of as the science of rates of change, be it velocity, accelerations or chemical reactions. Differential Equations can be thought of as Calculus IV and will be necessary for Electromagnbetic Field Theory and Quantum Dynamics. Along the way you'll have to pick up the introductory classes like Thermodynamics, Fluid Mechanics, Statics & Strengths (of materials), basic Electrcity and (how could I forget?) computer programming. All else afterwards can be thought of as a specialized learning, exclusive to one or two particular fields... How's that grab you so far? -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------- From paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Klass acts Date: 29 Mar 90 07:04:00 GMT > considerable degree of open mindedness on the subject. And in > 1976, when physicist Peter Sturrock polled the members of the > American Astronomical Society, fully 80 percent agreed the UFO > phenomenon deserves scientific attention. Serveral of the > astronomers described their own UFO sightings. > ------------ > > (There... that is pretty much the whole story ala Jerome Clark.) See, now there again is that Sturrock survey, and Jerry's quoting of the 80% figure is probably gonna get him some mail from Klass. Sturrock himself says in the abstract that the figure is 58% positive. He intentionally leaves out the figure for the third response ("possibly deserves attention") because he knows it can't really be counted as positive. So while Klass is being unfair, so is Clark. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG --------------------------------------------------- From paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Date: 29 Mar 90 17:51:00 GMT From what I have read and seen about the Gulf Breeze sightings, while it is true that lots of people have seen UFO's, those sightings have almost exclusively been of the "lights in the sky" type. It seems that only one person, good old ED, has managed to get any unequivocal (but questionable to many) photos of it. Since it is pretty well established that if people often see things in the sky that they can't explain, it should not be terribly supriseing that there have been so many reports given the publicity the local paper gave to the "events". If memory serves, the main corroborating witness to Ed is a supposedly anonymous "Believer Bill". Mr. Bill may well be in on the "event" in a less then unbiased fashion. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------------------------------------- From paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Default - By Daemon Mailer Date: 30 Mar 90 05:28:00 GMT > your view of things, these are merely science fiction. But the point > remains that marrying a chip to an organic brain seems to be the next > step in the evolution of the technology. > > When we do finally and successfully marry the two, what will be the > result? Only time will tell. Ever see the "Borg" episode of Star Trek II? That's one result of such an hypothetical "marriage" -- and it's eerily familiar to your post on self-replicating bio-computers... The Borg of S.T. II are/were humans who seem to have messed around with bio-computer implants. The implants took over, reducing the humans to robots. It was a great episode -- the Enterprise couldn't beat them and had to flee, with the Borg in pursuit. If they re-run the episode, check it out. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------------------------- From paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Congrats Date: 29 Mar 90 16:12:00 GMT Doug: Thank you very much for the kind message. I am in the process even as we speak ( and I get all the other things done that are necessary this week ) of working with Mike C. on putting together policy and procedures on Net Security. Take care; Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------- From paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Burke Subject: Re: Black Helicopters Date: 30 Mar 90 00:27:55 GMT Linda: Maybe they suspect that the aliens are "tagging" the bald eagles with implants the same way they are "tagging" us . Could we, too, be an endangered species? -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG ---------------------------------------------------- From paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy Subject: Re: Info-Paranet Newsletter Date: 29 Mar 90 06:10:00 GMT To John Chalmers: Re: Klass and Overreaction Well, it's the overreaction that seems to run rampant at many levels. Be it political, social, whatever... With all of the "talk" about us supposedly being "ready" to handle it... I can only wonder, because the behaviors still over-react with just thinking about it. It is capable of doing that to us, right here, in these echos. I have had a lot to think about in regards to this stuff, and misplaced or misguided over-reaction can do a lot more harm to the overall goal of trying to understand these things (or any new thought/idea or science). I think a lot of this has to do with the "inner sense" of impending change. Historicaly speaking, when mystical or metaphysical values begin to take a priority within any given society or culture, and are new in appearance, concept, or idealisms, it is a "sign" of social changes. Supressing this due to the instinctive knowledge that this is occuring does nothing more then encourage it. It can't be stopped. I feel that this has a lot to do with why so many get "shook up" when they begin to evaluate history and contrast it against the paranormal events in the past. (Mystics such as the 13th C. AD and the "change" in warfare rules, suppresions, inquisitions for example), and the greater pangs of knowledge emerging in the 18th, 19th C. throughout Germany and France. I am sure that if I can think of these things that others can that desire to keep things "status quo" who have the means/power to try and prevent it. But it is a no-win situation, as it only perpetuates the motion into advancement, and the change may take place even sooner due to the "suprresive" efforts. We are just growing and UFO's (and new sciences/philosophies and beliefs) are all a part of it. The greater the resistance to a new concept, the more severe the "birth of a new idea". Labor pains.... and new concepts are synonymous. -- Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------------------------ From paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Re: The 'Alien Starfighter' Date: 29 Mar 90 16:05:00 GMT To All: I have noticed a very disturbing trend amoung some readers of the posting I uploaded on the alledged Carp.UFO. For some reason a number of people appear to think that this was meant to be taken seriously. Please read below. THE FILE ON THE CARP.UFO CRASH RETRIVIAL WAS PLACED IN PARANET TO SHOW THE TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT HAS BEEN FLOATING AROUND FOR SOME TIME. IF YOU HAD READ MY PREVIOUS POST'S, YOU WOULD HAVE NOTICED THAT WHAT IN FACT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS MAKE A PLEA FOR SOME REASONABLE EXAMINATION OF MATERIAL. THIS FILE CAME TO ME UNMARKED AND UNSIGNED. THIS IS THE TYPE OF UNSUBSTANIATED CLAPTRAP THAT HAS BEEN MUDDING THE WATERS FOR YEARS. FORGET THE UNSUBSTANIATED TRASH AND RE-POSITION ON THE REPORTS AND CASES THAT *CAN* BE VERIFIED. AS I STATED IN THE ORGINAL POST ABOUT THE CARP.UFO, THERE IS **NOTHING** ABOUT THIS FILE THAT COULD OR SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT CAN BE VERIFIED OR SUBSTANIATED. THE FILE CAME TO ME UNSIGNED WITH NO RETURN ADDRESS. IT HAD BEEN PLACED HERE BECAUSE OF A REFERENCE TO IT I HAD MADE IN ANOTHER POSTING, AND SINCE CONVERSTATION HAD BEEN STIMULATED ON IT, I POSTED IT ONLY AS INFORMATION. Sorry for shouting but I felt that it had to be stated that this file is not meant by me to be taken seriously, and I do NOT in any way support this as true and verifable REAL information. Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Gene Gross Subject: I dun ben thunking 'gain! Date: 30 Mar 90 15:27:05 GMT Saw a sign once in a programmer's office, sometimes I sits and thinks; and sometimes I just sits. Well, I been sitting and thinking, again. Seems that UFOs have been hanging around for quite some time now. They've certainly been around since I've been alive. So how come they haven't openly contacts us yet? I've seen enough evidence now that I'm willing to put forth the tentative conclusion that something is there--but I'm just not too sure what. For the sake of this piece, I'll assume that the UFOs are alien craft probably from another planet rather than another dimension. Remember that this is my assumption and not a firm conclusion. They should know by now that there are many people who would welcome the contact with aliens. I for one am fascinated by the very concept that there might be life on other worlds and would welcome the opportunity to interact with them. And if the UFOs are alien craft, I presume they'd have the technology to intercept our braodcast signals and communications (maybe even this one). After all, they do seem to spend considerable quatities of time in our atmosphere, which implies to me anyway that they could receive the signals. Yet it seems that so far they've been content with freaking people out and terrorizing others. Sort of reminds me of the school-yard bully when I was in school in Philadelphia, and there were several of them. Are these the actions of an intelligent species with honorable intentions? I don't know, but it definitely causes me concern. Now I'm not speaking out in favor of Cooper or Lear or any of the others who fall into that arena. I'm just looking at this from what facts I have. I'm deliberately ignoring the various alien-government conspiracy theories floating around. I'm looking at perceived actions. In other words, I'm going by that old bromide: actions speak louder than words. So the actions of these aliens seem less promising than I'd like to see. Why just pop up and buzz an area causing great consternation? Why abduct members of the indigenous population and treat them in such a fashion that obviously terrorizes them? If their intentions are honorable and peaceful, why not just arrange to meet the leading scientists, thinkers, and leaders and ensure that it is done publically? I don't expect to get clear answers. This is all highly speculative, and the answers would be also. Gene ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************