Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 193 Monday, April 2nd 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Gulf Breeze photos Re: Black Helicopters Re: The 'alien Starfighter' Re: Default - By Daemon Mailer Alabama Sightings Re: Gulf Breeze Walters Re: Message From Don Ecker Quoting Klass and Truman signature. Re: Strange flash of light Re: Science Fiction Come True Re: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps Re: Gulf Breeze Photos Klass again Re: The 'alien Starfighter' I dun ben thunking 'gain! THE Last Starfighter Re: School? Re: Gulf Breeze ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze photos Date: 31 Mar 90 03:11:00 GMT It would, but I don't think that it's possible, and technology is slowly closing the door. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Gene.Gross Subject: Re: Black Helicopters Date: 31 Mar 90 01:24:00 GMT Mike, I think you are correct in your assessment of the "black helicopters." There is nothing unusual about black helicopters with the advent of the new Army choppers, which are black. There are markings on them, which I have seen, but I had to get up fairly close to see them. The signal-to-noise ratio isn't very good. ;-) -- Gene gross@rtpdoc.dg.com -- Gene Gross - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gene.Gross@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Gene.Gross Subject: Re: The 'alien Starfighter' Date: 31 Mar 90 01:33:00 GMT Don: Shout on!! PARADE FIELD VOICE, IF NECESSARY!!!! It was claptrap pure and simple. If anyone out there takes it seriously, well, maybe they need to see the chaplain--do we have one? 8-) 8-) -- Gene gross@rtpdoc.dg.com -- Gene Gross - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gene.Gross@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Gene.Gross Subject: Re: Default - By Daemon Mailer Date: 31 Mar 90 01:43:00 GMT Clark: Saw that episode and it was errie. If you'd like a real chill, take the time to read _Midnight_ by Dean R. Koontz (since I'm at home on my PC I'm sure of the spelling--got the book right in front of me 8-)). I In the book, Koontz brings the idea of marrying the two together in a way that emotions, other than fear, are prevented by the tiny microchips within each human. The result is that they feel nothing but fear--no pleasure, no anger, no hate, no love, no compassion, etc. The result is--well, I won't give away the plot that easily. ;-) Also, Koontz wrote a book that dealt with UFOs called _Strangers_ that I think everyone out there might want to take time to read. There have several books along the lines of UFOs (fictionalizations) and the implantation of chips (bio or otherwise) into humans. If there is enough interest, I'll put together a list and post it. The bio-chip is still an interesting idea. I haven't read much about it lately, but I think I still have some of the original articles about it and the research into the brain in search of how to make computers more like our brains. Fascinating stuff, and I am sure that John Chalmers might have more info on all of this from what he wrote in a recent post. What say you John? -- Gene Gross gross@rtpdoc.dg.com -- Gene Gross - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gene.Gross@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Ballard Subject: Alabama Sightings Date: 31 Mar 90 08:04:00 GMT There were numerous sightings of unusual lights in the sky around the Ensley area near Birmingham tonight (3/30). There was no corresponding air traffic that might account for these "lights" according to Birmingham airport FAA personnel. There will possibly be an article concerning these sightings in the late issue of the Birmingham News on Saturday (3/31). Anyone witnessing these events or with additional information is encouraged to call MUFON of Alabama at (205) 586-6568 (Arab) or contact via the Frontier BBS (205) 739-1439 (Cullman 8/N/1)...BJB -- Jeff Ballard - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Ballard@f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Date: 30 Mar 90 17:39:03 GMT > ...the photo of his wife dodging the blue beam > bothers me a bit too. Aside from what you mentioned, that shot really bothers me too. It's absolutely amazing that Walters managed to prefocus the camera on the exact spot where his wife would dodge the blue beam, if you get what I mean. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: Walters Date: 30 Mar 90 17:48:04 GMT FWIW, a friend of mine who is a very experienced psychologist saw Walters on TV recently, and said that everything about the man, body language etc., indicates that he's telling the truth, or at least the truth as he believes it to be. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f26.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!steve.rose Subject: Re: Message From Don Ecker Date: 1 Apr 90 09:25:45 GMT > Karen, > > I, (and many other Paranet Sysops) would appreciate your > using a bit more editorial judgement in your quoting. We ask > that people quote for the sake of clarity, but not to overquote > as this is simply added expense to every single sysop in the system. Never mind the occasional 'overquote'...just think of all the time and money that would be saved if we could lose all the obnoxious cryptic message headers that those USENET postings carry with them! :*) -- steve rose - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: steve.rose@f26.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Doug.Rogers Subject: Quoting Date: 1 Apr 90 19:49:40 GMT In response to my message to Karen about overquoting, You write: > Never mind the occasional 'overquote'...just think of all > the time and money that would be saved if we could lose > all the obnoxious cryptic message headers that those USENET > postings carry with them! :*) > The USENET headers are, as I understand the situation, required if responses are ever to find their way back to the poster (USENET being several orders of magnitude more complex than the Paranet Network). If this is *NOT* the case, then maybe something can be done. I suspect this is just the price of doing business over USENET, and one that I personally DON'T OBJECT to paying. -- Doug Rogers - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Klass and Truman signature. Date: 1 Apr 90 10:07:00 GMT > From: > This is good for paranoid afficianados: No offense, GRAHAM, but that's really about all its good for. Yes, we can construct scenarios like that, but where does it get us? If such were the case, there would be no further point to UFO research. Everything we came across would be suspect - the positive leads as well as the negative ones. You might as well sit in the corner and wring your hands for the rest of your life, mumbling "oh, dear, whatever shall we do?" Plus the fact that Moore came across the same information independently of Klass, and only recently admitted it. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Strange flash of light Date: 1 Apr 90 18:27:00 GMT Send me a copy of the video. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Science Fiction Come True Date: 1 Apr 90 18:45:00 GMT I beleive the claimed size for the alien implants is 2 to 3 millimeters. I saw a copy of someone's head "scan" (I think it was Stribers) and there was this little white dot that was obvious to anyone and naturally, unexplainable by the medical community. No mention was made of whether the scan had been repeated or what other analysis had been done. However, given the obviousness of it, there is no way such "dots' could be missed yet apparently there has been no outpouring of concern over these things by the medical community even though if we are to beleive Hopkins, et al, there are millions of people wandering around with these things in their heads and there would have to be quite a few of them who would have gotten CAT scans where they would have shown up. The "investigation" of the one scan that I saw that did show the "implant" is all to typical of the level of investigation that goes into these things. Apparently, after finding something that would support the implant theory, all further investigation stops lest contradictory evidence be found. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: MJ-12 Rubber Stamps Date: 31 Mar 90 17:42:00 GMT > > As I've said before, it is possible that such a super-secret group could > have been formed for a limited time and then taken on a life of its own > that kept it going for years later. But I haven't seen enough evidence > to convince me of that yet. > > Gene > Gene: I'm pretty much convinced that "MJ-12" per se is a hoax. My pet theory at this point is that such a group exists, but that this particular incarnation was cooked up to discredit any further investigation. However, it still remains a possibility that Moore and/or members of his team are the hoaxers, and that's what the rubber stamp controversy is all about. Todd and other CAUS members seem to be zeroing in on Moore, as Klass has done all along. I remain doubtful about this possibility, and the information you provided tends to reinforce my doubts; but there's so much we don't know, so much happening behind smokescreens, that I am open to anything at this point. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Photos Date: 31 Mar 90 23:35:00 GMT > So you're saying that you know for sure Believer Bill > isn't Walters? "Believer Bill" is definitely not Ed Walters. More information will follow soon. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Klass again Date: 31 Mar 90 17:51:00 GMT To: John Chalmers You raise a good issue for closer inspection, John. I shall make some inquiries and see if we can get a more detailed rendition of this story. Interestingly enough, the University of Nebraska at Lincoln later did host a MUFON Symposium in 1988. There were no legal battles, and Klass attended quietly. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Re: The 'alien Starfighter' Date: 1 Apr 90 06:48:00 GMT * Forwarded from "INFO.PARANET" * Originally from Don Ecker * Originally dated 03-30-90 23:48 > It was claptrap pure and simple. If anyone out there takes > it seriously, well, maybe they need to see the chaplain--do > we have one? Gene, no chaplin yet. Did I see you stepping forward? Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: I dun ben thunking 'gain! Date: 1 Apr 90 05:40:29 GMT To: Gene Gross >Saw a sign once in a programmer's office, sometimes I sits and thinks; >and sometimes I just sits. Well, I been sitting and thinking, again. I guess we've both been thinking Gene. The following is a message I posted in the Fido UFO echo in response to another message. I brought it over here because it seems relavent as a response to your message. 195/284 28 Mar 90 20:28:50 >From: Paul Faeder To: Larry Carley Subj: Thoughts on UFOS Attr: ------------------------------------------------ In a message of <25 Mar 90 18:49:48>, Larry Carley (1:2200/176) writes: >. I fear that Beings capable of travel between Galaxies would >. find the people of Earth to be rather Primitive, Barbaric, and >. very Self-Serving. If I were to visit another world and find >. similar inhabitants, I doubt that I would care to mingle with >. the planet's occupants or even make my presence known! I agree with you. If they are observing us for scientific reasons or if they have had a part in our evolutionary development and they want to check on our progress or whether it's just curiosity, couldn't they do this while in orbit? After all, we are supposed to have a satellite that can photgraph a pack of cigarettes on the ground. With their technology of space travel wouldn't you think they would have similar photo reconnaissance? The fact is that UFO's are still being sighted. So why are they coming down into our atmosphere where they may be seen? I don't think they want to be seen otherwise they would be showing themselves more in populated areas during daylight hours. If they're hiding because of a Star-Trek-like non-interference directive, they're doing a poor job of it! So I'll assume that they want to remain unseen but for some reason *must* take the chance of exposing themselves. So the question is, what is their motivation? I don't know, but if we think of mankinds motivation to do things we can come up with some possibilities. Man does things which will benefit man. This could be doing something out of kindness or for some sort of political or monetary gain. I'm not aware of the ET's doing anything out of kindness nor do I see any concern on their part in our political or economic areas so their concern seems to be for them. What could they want that they can't get anywhere else that they can travel to? What does this planet have that no other known planet can offer? -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: THE Last Starfighter Date: 1 Apr 90 05:35:30 GMT To: Gene Gross >Doubt that photos would be much help--this story needs a lot of >rewriting. ># The Alledged C/R of the 11/89 "Alien Starfighter" I think you nailed this guy Gene. But there is one very intriuging aspect to this alledged crash/retrieval. That is, who sent these documents and why? -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Sandy.Barbre Subject: Re: School? Date: 30 Mar 90 12:53:00 GMT Grabs me just fine, cause MATH I love, have taken up to Cal #2 and am not scared a bit by it, have taken a couple of electronic courses in my time also, and for informational purposes at one time wanted to be an electronics engineer!! How's that grab you?!! Later, sweetheart am in the process of finishing up getting my BBS on-line. -- Sandy Barbre - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sandy.Barbre@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Date: 30 Mar 90 17:37:02 GMT > That's the first time I heard he supposedly was in a fit of rage Walters' book says he was screaming at the object to go away and leave him alone. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************