Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 194 Tuesday, April 3rd 1990 Today's Topics: Provincetown sightings Fyffe Sighting Re: Looking For A Book Re: Lunar Anomalies Re: Things-a-hopping! Re: Gulf Breeze Re: The 'Alien Starfighter' Re: Klass acts Re: I dun ben thunking 'gain! Re: I dun ben thunking 'gain! Re: Strange flash of light ELF/Zeitgeist Misc Cooper's BS (oops, i mean BBS). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones Subject: Provincetown sightings Date: 1 Apr 90 02:12:41 GMT In an article of <29 Mar 90 04:30:35 GMT>, ncar!semassu.bitnet!F1ZELLER@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM writes: >Wow, that was kinda long....Do you people like reading the WHOLE THING >or is some kind of summary better?? >Margie Zeller I, for one, enjoyed reading the entire thing. A summery, sometimes, leaves out some little something that would cause someone to believe or disbelieve a story. Thanks for going to the trouble. FJ -- Frances Jones - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Frances.Jones@p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jerry.Woody Subject: Fyffe Sighting Date: 1 Apr 90 21:32:00 GMT On March 31 I and 2 other Mufon of Alabama field investigators set off for Fyffe for interviews, etc. After successful completion of the interviews we drove around Fyffe and Geraldine Alabama to some of the sights of where objects had been observed. At app. 6:15 CST I observed a very bright object located at 260 degrees and to the west. At first I thought it to be an aircraft contrail or a cloud reflection. After observing it for 10 minutes I noticed it did not behave like an aircraft contrail nor did it look like/behave like other clouds that were in the area. Other aircraft with contrails were in the area. I brought the object to the attention of the others and binocalurs were brought out. The object was slowly moving upward, located app. 10 miles + from us and was 60 degrees above the horizon. Each of us looked at the object through binoculars and observed what appeared to be a 'classic' "flying saucer/disk". It was a very bright orange and white with one member observing a red flame coming from the bottom of it. The object was tilted 45 degrees and had a flat bottom, tapered at the 'ends' and a definate bulge at the top. 2 poloroid pictures were taken and 2 110 cameras also took pictures. The poloroids did not show much except a 'smudge' where the object was. We are still waiting for the 110 camera pictures to be developed. After 5 minutes of observing it the object disappeared. It was not covered by clouds and it did not speed off. All sides of the object began dissappearing -- like a hole closing -- until finally it just vanished. MUFON reports are currently being filed on the object. The object had a definate 'solidness' to it and was located between us and a large dark cloud bank to the west. End of File Jerry -- Jerry Woody - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jerry.Woody@f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Carr Subject: Re: Looking For A Book Date: 1 Apr 90 22:41:00 GMT Astronomers have observed light sources on the lunar surface. They are known as Lunar Transient Phenomena, or LTPs. The last I heard the favorite theory took note of the fact that LTPs usually occur near the day/night terminator, and that the thermal stresses near that line could be considerable. Volatile gases may be released, and then ignited or caused to flouresce by piezoelectric means. I don't know if a detailed model has been worked out. There was a very good photograph of an LTP in a recent "Sky and Telescope." 2SEEN-BY: 109/134 114/37 115/876 120/80 132/113 138/111 140/80 141/790 -- Paul Carr - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Carr@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Carr Subject: Re: Lunar Anomalies Date: 1 Apr 90 22:55:00 GMT The orbit period of a near-orbiting lunar spacecraft is about 100 minutes, so it should take 45-50 minutes for such a spacecraft to cross the lunar surface. There are other potential explanations for a small shadow passing over the surface - a passing small planetesimal or other such object could make such a shadow. I doubt that a spacecraft's shadow would be observable on that scale - too small. After all, a BIG spacecraft is 30 feet long. 2SEEN-BY: 109/134 114/37 115/876 120/80 132/113 138/111 140/80 141/790 -- Paul Carr - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Carr@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Ballard Subject: Re: Things-a-hopping! Date: 2 Apr 90 03:13:00 GMT Yes, I heard about the Alabama contingent tonight. Wish you could be there...could make the scene VERY interesting! By the way, I tried in vain to find your phone number tonight to call you....tried directory assistance for GB, Ft. Walton Bch....no luck...could you get that to me some how? We need to chat prior to Eureka Springs.........BJB 2SEEN-BY: 109/134 114/37 115/876 120/80 132/113 138/111 140/80 141/790 -- Jeff Ballard - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Ballard@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Date: 1 Apr 90 19:52:00 GMT > > ...the photo of his wife dodging the blue beam > > bothers me a bit too. > > Aside from what you mentioned, that shot really bothers me too. > It's absolutely amazing that Walters managed to prefocus the camera on > the exact spot where his wife would dodge the blue beam, if you get what > I mean. > Mike and I were noticing a couple of other oddities. Notice that the beam seems to get brighter towards the bottom, rather than towards the top, as one would expect. Notice also that there is not the slightest bit of illumination on Frances' clothing, or on other surrounding objects. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy Subject: Re: The 'Alien Starfighter' Date: 30 Mar 90 20:23:00 GMT Re: Canadian Fables I could almost imagine a Mr. T.s. Bennett snickering in the background when I read that... Just his style. -- Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy Subject: Re: Klass acts Date: 30 Mar 90 21:56:00 GMT Re: Sturrock Survey Gee, Jim... what would we do without someone like you who knows the "rest of the story?" . I think we should put that thread into a file, and follow up on Chalmers request on how Klass was able to accomplish what he did in Nebraska. So how did Klass do it? Here are some more statistics from the same magazine. This is from a survey done by the National Science Foundation. o In a survey conducted for the National Science Foundation, only one third of the public understood what a molecule is, fewer than one third understood radiation, and only one sixth understood DNA. o The Same study found Americans suspicious of science and embracing peudoscience and even superstition. Fifty-three percent declared scientists are dangerous because they know too much, 46 percent rejected the theory of evolution, 43 percent believed UFO's carry visitors from outer space, and a significant number expressed a belief in astrology. This was back in 1987. Where do you think we are today? Any current info on this stuff? (Above article is from "Mind" column by Norman Lear. OMNI 2-87) -- Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy Subject: Re: I dun ben thunking 'gain! Date: 30 Mar 90 15:07:00 GMT To Gene Gross Aliens & Politics Actually, if an alien was looking at our planet, what would they see? Not Soviets, or Americans, or Chinese, or Japanese, or whatever else. They would see people. Now, if they desired to modify or somehow take some action against this planet, and let us suppose (as many say they are so civilized and more highly evolved beyond the violence of all of our own warfare tactics and activity) what their tactics just might be. Perhaps they cannot shed blood themselves. But if we kill ourselves or shed blood ourselves, then are they at fault? Just something to think about. If we carry out "their" actions (be it good/evil) and they had not actually done this themselves, then they are technicaly nont involving themselves. If we think in terms of the political structures of perhaps the USSR and the USA, we can also reason out those tactics balanced against the current affairs. The Soviets do not create their leader. They must endure whatever leader that is there. They are indoctrinated and are literaly conditioned to accept that type of government. So in order to necessitate the change, then it would be the leader of that nation who has the final say as to what the people do/don't do that would then be approached by this modification. The United States, however is different. If they modified Bush, we would most likely just kick him out of office. Same goes with any other political office holder in our nation. They do not effect the change -- the people do. The people literaly create their "leaders". So in this case, if there was a modification of the political structures here in the United States, they would need to go to the people. Anyway -- just some "off the wall" thoughts.... -- Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!.123/21@f21.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Edward.Melville.@.123/21 Subject: Re: I dun ben thunking 'gain! Date: 2 Apr 90 05:41:27 GMT > From: ncar!rutgers!DG-RTP.DG.COM!dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com.gross@sci > com.AlphaCDC.COM > Date: 30 Mar 90 15:27:05 GMT > Message-ID: <3583@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> > Newsgroups: info.paranet > > From: Gene Gross > > Seems that UFOs have been hanging around for quite some time > now. > They've certainly been around since I've been alive. So how > come they > haven't openly contacts us yet? I've seen enough evidence > now that I'm > willing to put forth the tentative conclusion that something > is At the same time, we as human beings, and human nature the way it is, will not want to understand their nature, and reazoning behind their visit here. Panic will be pervasive in our society. Unfortunate, but true. I just do not believe that we have matured enough to know HOW to communicate with them. And these series, like Star Trek, Alien Nation, all of which show a negative side to aliens, is by far, an injustice to them, and our survival. Regards! Edward Melville -- Edward Melville @ 123/21 - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Edward.Melville.@.123/21@f21.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Ballard Subject: Re: Strange flash of light Date: 2 Apr 90 06:27:00 GMT Would love to talk with this fellow..... We're really not a bunch of ogres as some would have you believe!!!!!!!! -- Jeff Ballard - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Ballard@f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.) Subject: ELF/Zeitgeist Date: 3 Apr 90 05:40:31 GMT (Steve) I'd forgotten about the microwave experiments. Microwaves, of course, have wavelengths in the cm to mm range, while ELF waves are many orders of magnitude longer. I think there are also reports of meteors making anomalous sounds sounds which may be EM waves because they would have to travel faster than sound to reach the hearer while the meteor was visible. The microwave experiments may have been due to thermal effects and required high power levels. I still don't see how ELF RF radiation could control people unless there were some sort of hardware receiver and the victim had been carefully trained. I don't think a 2 mm metallic spherical antenna buried deep within a conductor (brain tissue) would be sufficient. (Linda) History is written by survivors, if not victors, and there are many examples of ideas or ideologies which have been widespread and consonant with the spirit of the times, yet which failed to survive. Examples are Gnosticism and Mithraism in the Roman Empire, and hopefully Fascism and Communism in the 20th. Quantum Mechanics and Plate Tectonics might be less emotional examples of new ideas which won out. I see no reason why people should sit back passively and let ideas and ideologies felt to be pernicious and/or unsupported in fact take over. Fundamentalist religions and "Creation Science" are two which are both very popular and rapidly growing, yet I doubt that many of us would feel comfortable if they prevailed. --- John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: logajan@ns.network.com (John Logajan) Subject: Misc Date: 3 Apr 90 05:41:43 GMT Don Allen -- Thanks for your reasonable words about Libertarianism. As a long time member of the LP and now in some official capacity, I was severely tempted to reply to the original post. But Paranet is really not the forum for political discussions, so I will simply say that if anyone wants info about the Libertarian Party, they can simply send me e-mail at: -+>> logajan@ns.network.com Also, to the person who claimed that making light fixtures resemble UFO's in photos was harder than making UFO picturer (es (fake, I assume) -- it would seem to me to be of equal ease/difficulty. Most fake UFO pictures are pictures of miniatures. The miniatures are either off-the-shelf, or CONSTRUCTED. Most light fixtures are off-the-shelf, or CONSTRUCTED, too. - John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428 - logajan@ns.network.com, john@logajan.mn.org, 612-424-4888, Fax 424-2853 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Cooper's BS (oops, i mean BBS). Date: 3 Apr 90 05:42:08 GMT In case anyone's interested, I attempted to logon to Cooper's BBS earlier this p.m. What I got was both interesting and intimidating. Of course, I wasn't about to use my real name, so a bogus name was created. The first message I got, before "joining" was: "WARNING!!! Federal and State law enforcement officials now recognize that tampering with computer systems and data bases is a serious crime. Conviction can result in heavy fines.... Security systems are in operation on this board............. We will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law." Well, my first response was laughter at the sheer futility of this message, not to mention the fact that he obviously does NOT want people to feel free to "roam the board", a contradiction to his BBS name, "The Citizens For Joint Intelligence". I'm inclined to think at this point that Mr. Cooper is a fraud, only because a.) He wants to charge 10.00 PER MONTH for the use of his board. He does not handle message traffic as a Fidonet node does, so he doesn't have to worry about long distance calls, and I find it hard to believe, being a bulletin board sysop myself, that he needs to pay for expenses from the pockets of the users. b.) The whole atmosphere on this board is one of paranoia. I felt like I was guilty of something the whole time I was on, and all I was trying to do was what he suggested in his message, "Welcome to CAJI. I hope you have a thirst for knowledge and a sincere desire to contribute. Log on and LOOK AROUND...." c.) I have seen numerous request on various forums for Mr. Cooper to answer some of the charges/questions concerning his claims. So far, I know of NO responses from him. Note, I say I'm "inclined" to think he's a fraud. I still have an open mind about the claims of this guy, yet, there is something about him that really bothers me that I just cannot put a finger on. Anyway, after trying his bbs, (which I will probably never do again, only because he might be capable of tracing calls, which invades my privacy), I felt a little paranoid myself, not at Uncle, but toward Cooper. Besides, if Cooper is on the level, Uncle has my name and number by now. I'll just rely on the same sort of protection that Cooper, Lazar, and others enjoy, that of going public. :-) :-) Jim ---------- GRAHAM@IUCF.BITNET ---------- ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************