Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 195 Tuesday, April 3rd 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Strange flash of light Lazar's address? Re: I Dun Ben Thunking 'gain! Re: Looking For A Book Fyffe Sighting Re: Lunar Anomalies Re: Walters Re: The 'Alien Starfighter' Spies, Lies & ET's Klass&Truman sig. RE: Usenet headers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Will Martin Subject: Re: Strange flash of light Date: 3 Apr 90 09:31:39 GMT I finally located a newspaper article on the event that cited various local astronomy types as stating the flash was definitely caused by a meteor. It didn't have much technical detail, and spent most of the space discussing historic meteoric events. Regards, Will -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asuvax!mcdphx!xroads!gmz@windom.UCAR.EDU (Gerry Zeitlin) Subject: Lazar's address? Date: 3 Apr 90 09:32:25 GMT Does anyone out there have a mailing address for Bob Lazar? This is a request on behalf of Arthur Young, in Berkeley, who would like to correspond with him. Responses may be mailed to me at my uucp address: gmz@xroads.uucp or to Arthur Young Institute for the Study of Consciousness 2924 Benvenue Berkeley, CA 94705 Thank you -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Sudduth Subject: Re: I Dun Ben Thunking 'gain! Date: 3 Apr 90 00:56:00 GMT What about the Government behind Bush; i.e., the pentagon and other military services. This is an area not elected by popular vote. What would we do with them??? Just a thought....... 2SEEN-BY: 109/134 114/37 115/876 120/80 132/113 138/111 140/80 141/790 -- Don Sudduth - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Sudduth@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Looking For A Book Date: 3 Apr 90 05:50:00 GMT > The last I heard the favorite theory took note of the fact that LTPs > usually occur near the day/night terminator, and that the thermal > stresses near that line could be considerable. Volatile gases may > be released, and then ignited or caused to flouresce by piezoelectric > means. Very interesting, Paul. Personally, I doubt there's enough vulcanism or other sources of pent-up gas on the moon to produce such an effect. Also, in my opinion, the total absence of a lunar atmosphere would strongly preclude such fluourescence. Such transient effects may be produced by simple reflection, though -- but then one would expect them to be fairly predictable, wouldn't one? I'm no expert, nor even an astronomer (if I didn't live around N.Y.C. I'd probably invest in a telescope -- only peeping toms buy them here, though, because of the light and the haze). But I believe the second wave of "lights" in and around Aristarchus in the mid-Sixties were spotted on the dark side of the day/night terminator. > photograph of an LTP in a recent "Sky and Telescope." Thanks! I'll have a look at it! Best, Clark 2SEEN-BY: 109/134 114/37 115/876 120/80 132/113 138/111 140/80 141/790 -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Fyffe Sighting Date: 2 Apr 90 15:59:00 GMT > 'smudge' where the object was. We are still waiting for the 110 camera > pictures to be developed. After 5 minutes of observing it the object > disappeared. It was not covered by clouds and it did not speed off. All > sides of the object began dissappearing -- like a hole closing -- until > finally it just vanished. MUFON reports are currently being filed on the > object. The object had a definate 'solidness' to it and was located > between us and a large dark cloud bank to the west. End of File Jerry Jerry: What about this sighting makes you certain you did not see a weather balloon, reflecting the setting sun at an oblique angle? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Lunar Anomalies Date: 2 Apr 90 16:02:00 GMT > The orbit period of a near-orbiting lunar spacecraft is about > 100 minutes, so it should take 45-50 minutes for such a spacecraft > to cross the lunar surface. There are other potential explanations > for a small shadow passing over the surface - a passing small > planetesimal or other such object could make such a shadow. I doubt > that a spacecraft's shadow would be observable on that scale - too > small. After all, a BIG spacecraft is 30 feet long. Hi, Paul. What I observed on this tape were several (2 or 3) such "shadows" in sequence. "Planetesimal"? Is this an accepted phenomenon? Is there a catalogue? Or are they just too small to bother with (even though large enough to cast a shadow on the moon) Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Walters Date: 2 Apr 90 19:43:00 GMT >>everything about the man ... indicates he's telling the truth. Isn't that the mark of the true con artist? People aren't being taken to the cleaners everyday by con artists who look like they are lieing, they are taken to the cleaners by 'professionals' who are very convincing while picking your pocket. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Re: The 'Alien Starfighter' Date: 2 Apr 90 07:36:00 GMT > Re: Canadian Fables > > I could almost imagine a Mr. T.s. Bennett snickering in the > background > when I read that... Just his style. Linda, sorry but I am not quite sure what you mean. Were you referencing the Carp.UFO post? T. S. snickering at the content? Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Spies, Lies & ET's Date: 2 Apr 90 08:21:00 GMT On April 1st Wm. "Bill" Moore and Jaime H. Shandera, the original MJ-12 whistle blowers presented a lecture at the Hollywood High Auditorium. The theme of the lecture was as you see in the refernce of the posting--"Spies, Lies & Extraterrestrials. What is going on here?" Well, if you attended you sure did NOT find out. The program was to last approx. 3 hours but actually lasted about 2 and 1/2. Bill Moore was the first speaker, and it lasted about one hour. There was a ten minute break then Shandera spoke and then played a pre-recorded video of the famous or infamous mystery man - Condor. The crux of the talk follows. Moore led the presentation off with a bit of pontification about the ET scene. According to Bill, he, Jaime and the U. S. Govt. take the ET question very seriously. According to Moore ( no new suprise here ) Condor approached him in 1980 after Moore's book on the "Roswell Incident" was published. Moore felt that with the publication of this book a "can of worms" was opened by him and somewhere deep in the G. someone got nervous. He admitted feeding "selected individuals" dis-information at the behest of Condor and his buddies. Moore approached Shandera in 1982 to help him and give a different perspective to the investigative work. Moore once more stated that National Security has MAJOR concerns with UFOs and National Security is undoubtedly hiding the story from the public via lies, red herrings and dis-information. He named 8 guys in his avairy and they follow. FALCON: the man behind the scenes... HAWK : Govt. Research Scientist involved in ESP research. BLUEJAY: near the top of the intelligence boys. PARTRIDGE: Govt. scientist deep in data on UFOs, but he doesn't give much out. CHICKADEE: Military Pentagon guy. HERRON: a real mystery man. SPARROW: the only one named-Richard Doty. CONDOR: you all know him. According to Moore, the G. employs MANY UFO spies to keep tabs on all us here. ( and if any of ya reading this happen to be one, could you PLEASE answer why???? ) Moore claims that the G. plants disinformation faster than the UFO civillian researchers can check it out. No big suprise there. The circuts are always jammed up. ONE new tibit that Moore relayed concerned the Paul Bennewitz affair, not only was OSI and the NSA involved, also the Dept. of Energy. Also, according to BIll, once when he was speaking to Doty, he mentioned checking on the alledged crash at Aztec, Doty took notes and later used Moores inquirys at Bennewitz and Linda Howe. Moore also noted that someone high in govt. WANTS the public to know about UFOs. Moore feels that there MAY be a conditioning process in the works. He also mentioned a number of acroynms of several intelligence agencies. SSP, SAS, PJ and the much more familar OSI, NSA, DIA, CIA, etc. Now I know that the U. K. has the famous SAS or Special Air Service but does anyone know what OUR SAS is? Do we have one? Moore stated that the ALIENS may be behind the real coverup for their own purposes. They may be who is hiding the real truth. BUT-even Moore said that his contacts REFUSED to touch either the abduction reports or mutilations. IF TRUE, I FIND THIS VERY FUNNY NOT TO MENTION SERIOUS. Moore once more stated how his group were the only guys on track, the rest of the civilian UFO researchers are - to - paraphrase -- fumbling around in the dark. He claimed that the news media are NOT covering up, they are simply confused and disinterested. Shandera presented nothing I found elevating, but he did relay how much fun and sometimes frustrating it was dealing with the spooks. ( OW WOW GANG, LETS PLAY SPIES!! I GET TO BE JAMES BOND, OK?? ) Now, on to FALCON: NOTES AS I TOOK THEM---- The President has NO control on dealing with the ET's. MJ 12 conducts and makes policy, the President then is informed and follows. ( if true, what the hell happened to the Constitution? ) Aliens life span is 350 to 400 Earth years old. The ET's travel from their planet to here in 9 months, and FALCON stated he THOUGHT their planet was 50 Light Years distant. Shandera said HE thought FALCON was mistaken, only 36 to 38 LYs away. The ET's travel in a "mothership" and IT lauches "explorer" ships. ( saucers ) The mothership orbits Earth. The saucers carry a crew of 3 to 10 personel. The USSR MAY have an alien base there. However primary contact is with the USA. MJ-12 influence is global. THEY CALL THE SHOTS. ET's have had Soviet contact since the 1950's. FALCON claims he is NOT part of MJ-12, he works with them. HYNEK was in the know with MJ-12 and the ET's. There is a historical overview book "The Brownish-Orange Book" that documents ALL CONTACTS AND INCIDENTS from the 40's to 1985. More than one race of ET's are visiting Earth, maybe 3 races. And FALCON related a case not known from the USSR that alledgedly happened in 1985 that ranged from Sibera to the Black Sea that involved the Red AirForce, ground radar and as many as 20 Soviet Air Defence pilots. Shots were fired, no UFOs were even hit however, and when the UFOs got tired of that, THEY CHASED THE PILOTS, then simply left. Oh, Tim Good was also there, after the lecture there was a panel with Moore, Shandera, Good, and Ret. Col. Robert Friend. As you may or may not know, Friend headed up Blue Book for awhile. I got to ask Moore a question, but really got no answer. After MUFON last year, Moore had indicated that he was not the only UFOlogist that played footsie with the G. He stated that he knew of at least 4 other prominent UFOlogists that had. AND that two might still be active-and that if it were known, a storm would insue. Well, I asked him if in the interests of good UFOlogy, would he ID who they were. I will let you guess what the ultimate answer was. I feel that Moore was as honest as he could be, but if he or anyone thinks that he was played a straight hand by his contacts, let me interest you in some PRIME BOTTOM LAND I GOT FOR SALE...... < g > Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Klass&Truman sig. Date: 3 Apr 90 15:43:43 GMT -+No offense, GRAHAM, but that's really about all its good for.... -+Plus the fact that Moore came across the same information independantly... Jim, No offense taken. As I said in the original, this was the speculation of a friend. It was not REALLY meant to be taken seriously, even though one could, in fact, do so. Concerning the last part about Moore, could you explain this? I haven't had my morning coffee, so I'm not yet capable of simple logic. :-) :-) Thanks, Jim ----------------------- GRAHAM@IUCF.BITNET Voice: 812-334-7754 (home), 812-855-7882 (work) BBS : 812-334-0418 (after 9:00 p.m. EST) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f728.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Message From Don Ecker Date: 2 Apr 90 15:38:00 GMT > sr> Never mind the occasional 'overquote'...just think of all the time > andsr> that would be saved if we could lose all the > obnoxious cryptic message > sr> headers that those USENET postings carry with them! :*) > ^^^^^^ > I, for one, would like to know, exactly what those headers > are for > also. Ok... Here is the explanation as to what the headers are for. In USENET, the mail is routed by a "path address" which is different than the Fidonet scheme. In Fidonet, the mail is routed according to a node number. The computers that make up Fidonet are considered to be more on the line of "stand-alone" units in the network. In USENET, it is more like a large network of computers interconnected and identified by a large map showing paths and routes that mail takes to reach a particular destination. Within the network, the system looks at the path (headers) and looks it up in the map. The map gives it instructions as to what systems that message must go through to reach its destination. The software used by PCs to handle this mail does not strip out that information as it is needed to get back to the destination if a reply is forthcoming from the Fidonet group. Hope this helps out. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f728.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Lapp Subject: RE: Usenet headers Date: 3 Apr 90 16:57:24 GMT -+ From: paranet!f26.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!steve.rose -+ Subject: Re: Message From Don Ecker -+ Date: 1 Apr 90 09:25:45 GMT -+ -+ > Karen, -+ > -+ > I, (and many other Paranet Sysops) would appreciate your -+ > using a bit more editorial judgement in your quoting. We ask -+ > that people quote for the sake of clarity, but not to overquote -+ > as this is simply added expense to every single sysop in the system. -+ -+ -+ Never mind the occasional 'overquote'...just think of all the time and money -+ that would be saved if we could lose all the obnoxious cryptic message headers -+ that those USENET postings carry with them! :*) -+ Well, as a UUCP site, I can tell you that most of the time I would agree with you that those headers are a pain. Software filters most of them out when I am reading mailings, so it is not so bad on my end. However.... have something go wrong (like the mail loop I am now experiencing in one list I subscribe to), and those headers become very useful for debugging and figuring out where the problem lies. Since I pay for all of the files that come over the link to mvac23, I know the feeling of costs. And it is a worthwhile expense to me. - tom -- internet : mvac23!thomas@udel.edu or thomas%mvac23@udel.edu uucp : {ucbvax,mcvax,psuvax1,uunet}!udel!mvac23!thomas Europe Bitnet: THOMAS1@GRATHUN1 Location: Newark, DE, USA Quote : The only way to win thermonuclear war is not to play. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have also sent 2 articles over to Fidonet about these headers and the use of them in USENET and mail. But will not include them here as most users on this end either know what they are or don't care as they are nothing we can change anyway. This subject will come up time and again as new readers in Fido sites react to the headers but I for one will let the Fidonet person, Mike, respond to this from now on and am inclined not to include them in the digest from this point on. Understanding has been given to those that need to know. If you disagree, PLEASE write me personal and let move on to UFO stuff: cyrill@scicom.alphacdc.com or scicom!cyrill. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************