Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 196 Wednesday, April 4th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Klass acts Re: Klass acts Re: The 'Alien Starfighter' Re: I Dun Ben Thunking 'gain! Spies, Lies & ET's Re: Fyffe Sighting Re: I Dun Ben Thunking 'gain! Re: The 'alien Starfighter' Re: The Last Starfighter Re: Spies, Lies & ET's Re: I dun ben thunking 'gain! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Klass acts Date: 3 Apr 90 06:26:00 GMT > Gee, Jim... what would we do without someone like you who knows the > "rest of the story?" . I think we should put that thread into > a file, and follow up on Chalmers request on how Klass was able to > accomplish what he did in Nebraska. So how did Klass do it? Workin' on it, Linda. > o In a survey conducted for the National Science Foundation, only > one third of the public understood what a molecule is, fewer than > one third understood radiation, and only one sixth understood DNA. Understandable, since many high school seniors don't know where Canada is. > > o The Same study found Americans suspicious of science and embracing > peudoscience and even superstition. Fifty-three percent declared > scientists are dangerous because they know too much, 46 percent > rejected the theory of evolution, 43 percent believed UFO's > carry visitors from outer space, and a significant number expressed > a belief in astrology. Now that's what REALLY pisses me off about Establishment Science. They ask about UFOs in the same survey as astrology, as if there is no fundamental difference. I've asked it before, I'll ask it again: Is Joan Quigley really the philosophical equivalent of J. Allen Hynek? > > This was back in 1987. Where do you think we are today? Any current > info on this stuff? (Above article is from "Mind" column by Norman Lear. > OMNI 2-87) I remember the column. I'd say we're probably not much better. But here is where I see the good in CSICOP: I think if it gets down off its high horse, it stands a chance of doing some real good in this area. I also foresee ParaNet helping to create better understanding between the intellectual elite and the great unwashed. In fact, I'd say we stand a BETTER chance than CSICOP, given enough growth. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy Subject: Re: Klass acts Date: 3 Apr 90 15:16:00 GMT Re: High School Seniors and Canada This is a parody in life. I dropped out of school when I was very young. My brother struggled through school (same school systems) and still could not read or write and was not diagnosed as having a learning disability until he was (egads!) 28. (He is a true dyslixic). I had a management position, and a hired a dishwasher who had gone to college and could not find work. She took what she could find. (She had a degree in special education). Kinda strange, because at that particular time, Special Education was not available within that school district in which she was living in (for the type of education she had gotten her degree in). What a waste of human resources. I say it was a waste, because special needs children did not have an opportunity to get educated. (That has been resolved, however). I have come to the conclusion, I may not be the smartest around these here parts, but I sure know where Canada is! I had often pondered if in fact the systems didn't educate the natural intuitive desire to learn right out of the students. I don't know. When I take these things and evaluate UFOlogy (and believe me, there is enough information to make ANYONE think) I had wondered why, perhaps so many are inclined to jump to conclusions without actually examining the facts? It can't be an educational problem, because some can and some cannot examine things closely, irregardless of what level within any educational process they have been raised. Perhaps some just do not know how to think because they are told that they simply are incapable. For example, individuals who suddenly feel that they are having bright ideas. I can imagine (and this is based upon discussions with those who are more realistic about these things) that the first thought is, "I can't have those ideas. I am not smart enough" and so they *think* they are having divine revelations. A person who can accept the fact that they could contain those thoughts and realizes that they do stem from their core personality, would gain self confidence and begin to use it. We don't know enough about the operatives of the human mind and how it functions... It takes high tech equipment that is relatively new, and so there will be many NEW things discovered in regards to brainwave activity and etc. that will explain many "unusual" things. (For when I even think of Whitley Strieber and the "light" found in his brain -- has anyone questioned the sophistication of the equipment used, and how long it has been used? And what the percentile is within the given framework of the population this equipment has been used?). Anyway, when people talk about grammer and spelling and the like and tell me that I am not a good speller, I guess I could use my lack of education as an excuse. However, then if that is the criteria for bad spelling, then what is the excuse for a Ph.D'd pedegree's inability to spell? In terms of UFOlogy (and any meaningful and thought provoking discussions) I would then tend to believe that a person as myself would have as much to contribute as anyone else (and so that lack of education struggle for my ownself has been resolved so I can justify why I even hang out here ). -- Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy Subject: Re: The 'Alien Starfighter' Date: 3 Apr 90 15:38:00 GMT Re: Carp (fishy stories) and Canadian Fables I have had to deal with that man on a one to one bases. His logic is sound, but his approach is as bad as his mentor's whom he apparently has taken to heart (William Cooper). The "Stories" by T.S. Bennett took existing information (in various "off the wall" type files) and were vamped up with some untruth in them (even in the context of the files used) then introduced into the echos (most noteably off of this board) and people responded/reacted to them in a somewhat "astonished" manner. (Or responded to descredit, but not providing an accurate bases to descredit). For example, his "Story" which dealt with the greys. I do believe it was part two -- where he in a single hand contradicts all of the information in a manner that those who are NOT aware of the true contents of existing information (be it real or unreal, etc.) acted upon it with astonishment. I suspended the man for awhile (along with anyone else who violated my board in other areas of interest), and the return was monitored quite closely, and he behaved. He then posted a series of scenarios in the INFO.PARANET that did not make it out. (I was in the beginings of having hard drive problems, and the message packets had to be deleted due to inability to fix the files). However, a user who logged on had SEEN those posts that were still intact in the message bases, and directly went and told a major player that was implicated in this particular "Story" about it. (And I had to deal with one angry physicist). It was at that point I saw the gravity of a real problem, and removed access. (And it is total now, thanks to this new version of QuickBBS). So when I read that "fish" story the first thought that came to my mind, was, "I wouldn't be surprised if that was sent to ParaNet to solicit a response to see if we were capable of "seeing through" it." I nearly made a comment about it, but decided to see what happened first. (Plus the fact that neither you or I have messaged for awhile). I hope that provides an answer. Mike knows the details. -- Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Linda.Murphy Subject: Re: I Dun Ben Thunking 'gain! Date: 3 Apr 90 16:02:00 GMT Re: Bush and the likes What does UFOlogy seem to consist of, Don? Mostly "hidden" or "secret" things that are "unseen" (thus clustered under the headings dealing with the occult). If we look at the files and the books and all of the information, where does the person's mind begin to wander towards when the topic of Government Conspiracy comes up? This *awareness* is obviously beyond waking people up towards probable ET's, but many different things. Such as belief structures, and possibilities within the various realms of sciences which could provide a "working model" to see if such a possibility exists -- and the thought that perhaps there is a core central group within our government (or wherever) that could be undermining our freedoms and liberties. As a psychological ploy, we must admit, it is doing it's job rather well (if that is what this is all about). Thomas Jefferson himself said that our form of government was a "noble" experiment. And he had wondered how long it would last (Federalist Papers) If people are growing into an apathetic state, then just the info contained within all of this material "wakes" them up to possibilities that maybe we have reached a point where we are taking our "freedoms" for granted. They then think about these things, then begin to act upon it. Get enough people going into a direction where they want to do something about it, and the check/balance system works. There are various ways to look at all of this -- from the negative to the positive. Anyway, if you truly think of the different things your own ponderings into UFOlogy have led you to further investigate, you may see how this could be working. -- Linda Murphy - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Murphy@f1.n304.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Spies, Lies & ET's Date: 2 Apr 90 18:40:00 GMT To All: In my previous message on Spies, Lies and ET's I must make a correction. Where I mentioned CONDOR speaking I meant FALCON. It was late when I posted the message, I was tired, and I mistakenly mentioned CONDOR where I should have mentioned FALCON. Sorry. Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Gross Subject: Re: Fyffe Sighting Date: 4 Apr 90 05:47:19 GMT # From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jerry.Woody # Subject: Fyffe Sighting # # Each # of us looked at the object through binoculars and observed what appeared to # be a 'classic' "flying saucer/disk". It was a very bright orange and white # with one member observing a red flame coming from the bottom of it. The # object was tilted 45 degrees and had a flat bottom, tapered at the 'ends' # and a definate bulge at the top. 2 poloroid pictures were taken and 2 110 # cameras also took pictures. The poloroids did not show much except a # 'smudge' where the object was. We are still waiting for the 110 camera # pictures to be developed. After 5 minutes of observing it the object # disappeared. It was not covered by clouds and it did not speed off. All # sides of the object began dissappearing -- like a hole closing -- until # finally it just vanished. MUFON reports are currently being filed on the # object. # The object had a definate 'solidness' to it and was located between us and a # large dark cloud bank to the west. Hi Jerry, Only one person noticed the "red flame coming from the bottom." How long did this flame appear to last? When the object disappeared, could the "like a hole closing" have been due to it vanishing in the distance? From the way you put it, I was wondering if it simply vanished into the distance, which might appear as a hole closing. The other thing that is hard to picture is just how large the object appeared to be to you and the other two observers. If it appeared large, then the "hole closing" image could well convey an interesting piece of information. However, if the object was small and moving away from you, it could well appear to be a hole closing as it vanished from the limits of you vision. Also, was the object seen by other people in the area? How was the object oriented to you three? From the sounds of it, you got a look at it from the side. Would like to read the reports of the others who saw this object. When you can, could you arrange this? Thanks, Gene Keep your eyes on the stars, but don't forget the potholes ahead! ;-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Sudduth Subject: Re: I Dun Ben Thunking 'gain! Date: 3 Apr 90 21:40:00 GMT I wasn't thinking of conspiracies so much as I was thinking of the unelectable officials in government; i.e., the Pentagon, CIA, NSA, etc. These are the people "we" as the public cannot elect or push out of office. 2SEEN-BY: 109/134 114/37 115/876 120/80 132/113 138/111 140/80 141/790 -- Don Sudduth - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Sudduth@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Gene.Gross Subject: Re: The 'alien Starfighter' Date: 4 Apr 90 02:35:00 GMT Don: Forget it. This old reprobate wouldn't know what to do . -- Regards, Gene 2SEEN-BY: 109/134 114/37 115/876 120/80 132/113 138/111 140/80 141/790 -- Gene Gross - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gene.Gross@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Gene.Gross Subject: Re: The Last Starfighter Date: 4 Apr 90 02:37:00 GMT Paul: Not so sure I really want to know--except maybe to avoid the person in the future. However, with his imagination, he could get a job writing scripts for FOX TV. ;-) -- Regards, Gene 2SEEN-BY: 109/134 114/37 115/876 120/80 132/113 138/111 140/80 141/790 -- Gene Gross - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gene.Gross@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh Subject: Re: Spies, Lies & ET's Date: 3 Apr 90 19:32:44 GMT DE> FALCON: the man behind the scenes... Don't ask me how I know, maybe a combination of, accent and lisp in his speech. Falcon was on that big national UFO special about a year or so ago. Between what he said, and how he said it, I can tell you for almost postitive... this guy is John Lear. Does anyone else get this feeling? Jeff -- Jeff Marsh - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Marsh@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Re: I dun ben thunking 'gain! Date: 4 Apr 90 06:38:29 GMT In a message of <01 Apr 90 22:41:27>, Edward Melville @ 123/21 (1:123/21) writes: > At the same time, we as human beings, and human nature the way it >is, will not want to understand their nature, and reazoning behind their >visit here. Panic will be pervasive in our society. Unfortunate, but >true. I was ready to argue this point by saying things like, "Give mankind a little more credit." or "We are intelligent, reasonable people with minds of our own." but then I remembered the type of TV programs that are on during prime-time which are supposed to be the most desired by the majority of the nation. I guess you're right. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************