Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 199 Sunday, April 8th 1990 Today's Topics: 3 Star Interview Japan Video Update Re: Spies, Lies & ET's Windshield Guy Sticks and Stones Re: Black Helicopters Re: Black Helicopters Re: Black Helicopters Cooper's Bs (oops, I Mean Bbs). Lazar's Address? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: 3 Star Interview Date: 6 Apr 90 07:12:00 GMT To all ParaNet Members; When I uploaded the CARP.UFO report several weeks ago, I mentioned another report that I had received. The CARP.UFO report was an unsigned document, no signature, and no return address. As I stated in reference to that, I gave no credence to the report because of the manner that I received it. This report is a bit different. I did speak to the person that sent it, and am still waiting to hear back from his group. The file is an alledged interview between two men, the interviewer is under a pseudonym of Bill. The interviewee is supposed to be a retired Three Star General that undertook a favor to "Bill" to check into the UFO question. The man I spoke to is the director of this group, and even though he was aware of who I am, and the reason for my questions, he refused to put me in touch with either of the other two gentlemen "until they checked me out." I am still waiting to hear from them. Because of some of the subject matter in the report, I had a feeling that there was quite a bit of information in this report that had been deleted. According to the director I was right. He told me that "Bill" was a still active duty Full Colonel and that 3 Star was at one time Bill and his commanding officer. The deleted information is supposed to contain some very disturbing information that deals with mutilations, both animal and human, and a large number of abducted and missing children and young adults. According to the director of this group there were about 20 to 25 pages of deleted material. Also seen but of course as is usual, a number of photos that 3 Star was able to get at one point. I would rate this report as highly strange, but at this point unverifiable. At any rate here is the report and any suggestions from the members are most certainly welcome. I will use Bill for the interviewer and 3* for the interviewee. Don Ecker ***************************************************************** THE INFORMATION IN THIS REPORT HAS BEEN EDITED FOR THE REASONS AS STATED WITHIN. MUCH INFORMATION WAS DELETED FOR THE PURPOSE OF RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC. Bill> Have you read the book "The Roswell Incident"? 3*> Yes I have. Bill> What did you think of the book and just how true is it? 3*> Bill, as I promised you, I used my contacts and several favors due me over the years and I found out extremely sensitive information which absolutely verify the information as stated in the Roswell Incident. The book intrigued me as I read it. At first, I felt the facts or should I say information in the book were there just to sell it and make our Govt. out to be the bad guy...as so many books do today. However, the public has abeen lied to for over 40 years. This bothers me a great deal. But decisions were made decades ago. The situation in my opinion, is totally out of hand. Bill> You look concerned and sound irritated. What is wrong? 3*> Around 4 months ago I called in several favors. I was given documents, allowed to view video tape, given photographs, base locations and I was even asked to participate in the "Awareness Program"...which is to disseminate Alien contact to the public. I turned down the offer. When I did I was sort of an outcast and I found friends of 30 years had no time for me. I soon was limited to all forms of information. Hell, every time I requested anything through normal channels it was either lost or delayed for "higher approval". This was normal everyday decisions, which wer NEVER questioned before. I gave over --30-- years of faithful and loyal service to this great country of ours. Who in the hell do those political bastards think they are anyway? Bill> I don't know what to say. I feel that because I asked for the inquiry, you got into trouble. I really feel bad. I know you didn't get where you are today by taking it easy. Did you retire? 3*> You are not responsible! I kind-of knew what I might get myself into. I always had my suspicionss and I to heard the rumors about alien spacecraft that crashed, bodies found, alien craft shot down, UFO evidence stored in special buildings on certain military bases. I just never really took it seriously. I know it is true. I have seen the evidence, I have seen the alien craft, the frozen bodies from the Roswell site and I have seen on video tape, the live alien which is a guest of the U. S. Govt. To answer your last question, yes I did retire. Bill> Could you give some specific information on the Aliens, what they want, the govt. involvement, the reason why we have not officially been told about alien involvement in our society and why all of the many "strange" things or happenings associated with UFO sightings and people-contact with aliens? 3*> There have been several crashes of UFOs over the years. From all documentation and information available that I have seen with my own eyes as well as the physical evidence, this is in answer to your questions. 1. The aliens really do not have any sort of invasion planned for this planet. Aliens have visited this planet off and on for thousands of years. Our U.S. guest is over 300 years old. There are both "good and bad" aliens just as there are good and bad humans. They are not all that different from us. The aliens utilize around 55% of their brain capacity or ability. The aliens do have DNA, just like we do. The alien which is the guest of the U.S. Govt. is 5 feet 3 inches tall and weights 96 pounds. Large head (no hair) large slanted eyes. Some of the aliens' abilities include moderate telepathy and telekinisis. The purpose of alien visitation to this planet is one of curiosity and scientific research. Not world domination as some would have you believe. Cattle and humans have been used in alien and U.S. research for various biological applications. Most humans are not hurt in this research and experimentation. Some however, have died due to complications and down-right carelessness. Several cross-breed "young" have been born to both human females and alien females. We as humans are fully biological compatible with most visiting aliens. Some we are not. More that one tyhpe or specie of alien has visited this planet. They are listed by category...this information I could not retrieve. 2. The U. S. Govt. and the British ahve made secret treaty agreements with the aliens in exchange for technology and so-called recon missions during times of human conflict. The aliens have basically agreed not to concern themselves with the wars or conflicts of humans. Not to interfere in society. Let the Govts. rule and decide. Exactly what the aliens get in return was not exactly made clear or available. Also, there are special teams which eradicate, discredit, harass and turmp-up charges to control humans which experience any visitations from aliens, or make verifiable UFO sightings. This is one of the reasons I retired. It's too much for any govt. to impose upon the civilian population like this. 3. Many of the strange happenings which people experience with UFO sightings can be one of two things. First, simply an overactive and wishful imagination. Second and foremost is the influence of the vast mental power of the alien visitors. In the reports and experiments conducted with live aliens, they have an incredible power of telepathic suggestion. Combine this with their telekentic abilities and just about anyone can be some-what directed to do or think just about anything. Did I cover all of your questions? Bill> One more and you'll be done. Why all the secrecy from day one about the alien contact, the Roswell Incident, UFOs etc.? 3*> The Roswell Incident happened at a very hectic time. World problems and domestic matters drew priority. Make no mistake, Pres. Truman and laater Pres. Eisenhower gave specific direct orders to keep everything and I mean everything top secret. At that time, all alien (known as EBE) information became departmentalized and dispersed on a need to know only babis. I as well as others heard rumors and pursued our career with no further thought to the matter. Also consider the fact that even with today's high technology we still don't know all of the propulsion system, craft manufacture and so forth. The most recent information that I did manage to receive before I was cut off is that the alien craft has more-or-less been copied by top scientific experts and is functional. The "special group" assigned to oversee the alien situation and other govt. VIPs agree to gather all of the tchnology possible and put it to use for the benefit of the USA. I really wonder what other motives are there. One very important thought about reasons for secrecy are common religioius values and beliefs. Most of the world religions (especially in the US) would tumble. This in turn would cause panic and chaos. Something not wanted or needed in any time. Look at the big lie the Federal Govt. has created, promoted swore to and fed to the public over the past 42 years. Even the Presidents of the US from 1947 to present day has lied about this situation. Talk about a cover up? If this information would ever get out, many people from the President down would be removed from office. Many would go to jail in one form or another. My information led me to other more graphic reasons that I really don't want to discuss. This whole situation is fantastic enough and the imnplications are endless. The "awareness program" that I mentioned earlier was designed to inform the public about alien contact, landings, crashes, the Roswell Incident, UFOs and the govt. All of this is filtered to the public in a systematic, logical way. This is coupled with the increased alien--human abductions and contacts. This is a joint govt. and alien program. If done correctly, there will be extremely little or no panic and no resistance. The world govts. will retain control and chaos is avoided. Bill> Thank you very much for your time and this timely information. 3*> Now that I have found this information out, I wonder about everything I could not access or was prevented from learning when I turned down the position on the "asareness program"? Bill> I know that I am pushing it a bit here but could you go into some of the topics that seem to be eating away at you? 3*> Lets take a break from this interview for now. Its after 11:00 PM and I'm tired. I'll give you a call in a few days and we will go from there. Bill> It sounds good to me too. I've got a lot of work to do in the morning so I better call it quits for now. ================================================================= This is the end of part one. As this is a long interview, I will continue with the second part tomorrow. As they say, "Stay tuned." Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Japan Video Update Date: 6 Apr 90 07:34:00 GMT Yes, friends, the Japan video is still alive and well. In case you've forgotten, it was shot in broad daylight in a suburb of Tokyo in July of last year. Dr. Richard Haines has done a preliminary analysis, and writes the MUFON Journal as follows: <> I was with Dr. Haines when he first viewed the videotape. He was quite enthusiastic about it, and apparently his analysis thus far has not dimmed his excitement. Dr. Haines is quite an accomplished photo-analyst. He does not buy Gulf Breeze, by the way. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Spies, Lies & ET's Date: 6 Apr 90 18:17:00 GMT It's not strictly true that the US spy agencies operate outside the law. There are some defined operational areas that they are supposed to operate within, such as the NSA not being allowed to spy on Americans within the US. Unfortunately, the oversight given to the spy agencies leaves much to be desired and the is considerable reason to suspect that much of what they do is not legal - but the people who are supposed to prevent such abuses don't really care; basically a see no, evil, hear no evil so they can do whatever evil they want. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Windshield Guy Date: 7 Apr 90 05:20:00 GMT I'm not so sure the windshield guy will be willing to talk with you. It seems that he feels that he was abducted, and in addition the CIA is using " Psyco-logical " warfare on him. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Sticks and Stones Date: 7 Apr 90 05:23:00 GMT I thought that I would drop you a note. I'm not gone just looking around for more open-minded people like yourself. You might say I'm working on a " Black List " of the 3rd kind. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Schwartz Subject: Re: Black Helicopters Date: 7 Apr 90 05:53:00 GMT I would only say that after my experience, the signal has been raised above the noise floor substantially, at least as I percieve it. The craft was armed with air to air missles, had what appeared to be rocket pods (air to ground) which I could not discern as to their state of rediness. There appeared to be guns as well, i;ncluding a large moveable one on the right pilot side. The craft also had a several dome type antennas, as well as several others on the tail section. It was very streamlined and similar to an Apache in the front, but wider towards the rear. It had an exposed tail rotor, with a dual vertical stabilizer with a cross piece. There also seemed to be two small canard type wings on the front, although they could have been a type of antenna. We were very close, and could see no markings at all, although there was quite a bit of debri picked up by the rotor wash. We were not flying, but taking a leisurely drive up Mt. Lemmon following a quick business trip to drop off some products. We had not consumed any foreign material which could impare our perception either! -- Michael Schwartz - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Schwartz@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Schwartz Subject: Re: Black Helicopters Date: 7 Apr 90 05:56:00 GMT Actually, I have seen C-130's and C-141's in a very dark camo that appeared almost black. This was not the same thing at all. IT WAS A matt black finish. I would imagine that we would have been close enough to have seen even outline type. There was none that we could see, not even any yellow arrows for emergency or ground support. -- Michael Schwartz - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Schwartz@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Burke Subject: Re: Black Helicopters Date: 7 Apr 90 00:22:17 GMT Mike: Very interesting! Too bad you didn't have a videocam along! Had you stopped at any point (i.e. Geology Point or any of the pullouts) before the copter came along? I wonder if you had been stopped at a spot where you might have found something they didn't want you to find. Otherwise, your mistaken vehicle theory sounds as good as any. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f728.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Cooper's Bs (oops, I Mean Bbs). Date: 7 Apr 90 17:41:00 GMT > From: > > The first message I got, before "joining" was: > > "WARNING!!! Federal and State law enforcement officials now > recognize that tampering with computer systems and data > bases > is a serious crime. Conviction can result in heavy > fines.... > Security systems are in operation on this > board............. > We will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law." This is also an interesting statement from Cooper considering that his early days with ParaNet consisted of breaking all the above rules that he is so adamant about enforcing. > Well, my first response was laughter at the sheer futility > of this message, > not to mention the fact that he obviously does NOT want > people to feel > free to "roam the board", a contradiction to his BBS name, > "The Citizens > For Joint Intelligence". Cooper's middle name is "Contradiction." > Anyway, after trying his bbs, (which I will probably never > do again, only > because he might be capable of tracing calls, which invades > my privacy), > I felt a little paranoid myself, not at Uncle, but toward > Cooper. This is the general feeling that most people walk away with after dealing with the man. Thanks for the review. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f728.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f728.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Lazar's Address? Date: 7 Apr 90 17:42:00 GMT > From: asuvax!mcdphx!xroads!gmz@windom.UCAR.EDU (Gerry > Zeitlin) > > Does anyone out there have a mailing address for Bob Lazar? > Bob Lazar refuses to divulge his mailing address. However, I understand that you can write to him in care of George Knapp at KLAS TV in Las Vegas. 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