Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 200 Monday, April 9th 1990 Today's Topics: Cooper warning message Spies, Lies & ET's Re: Windshield Guy New Affiliates Re: Spies, Lies & ET's Conviction of Adm Poindexter Re: Windshield Guy Re: Spies, Lies & ET's Re: 3 Star Interview Part II 3 * Re: Japan Video Update Re: Windshield Guy Re: Moore Of The Same! Tesla/EM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: xroads!gmz (Gerry Zeitlin) Subject: Cooper warning message Date: 8 Apr 90 11:16:16 GMT Recently someone reported receiving an unpleasant log-in greeting upon connecting to Bill Cooper's BBS. I just wanted to mention that Cooper shouldn't really be blamed for this; it's something we're going to be seeing more and more of. About a year ago, there was a trial of a malicious computer hacker, in which the defendant successfully argued that the system he broke into had a "Welcome" message on it, so of course he thought he was welcome to do whatever he wanted. It was a miscarriage of justice, to my thinking. At any rate, corporate attorneys everywhere began to call for warning messages to be placed on all computer systems with dial-in capabilities. And so it is coming to pass. Cooper knows that his public statements raise public passions, and he probably feels that his system might be a target for hackers. So he's protecting himself against the courtroom tactic the was successfully used last year. (I've forgotten the details of that case; sorry.) I really wouldn't let it bother you; if it creates a contradiction, well, we live in difficult times. And anyway, even ParaNet has its network security manager. =gerry zeitlin= -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Spies, Lies & ET's Date: 7 Apr 90 18:43:42 GMT In a message of <05 Apr 90 01:05>, Don Ecker (1:30163/22) writes: >The other problem is, how many red herrings have been planted to >throw us off the track? If Moore was right in what he said about the G. >guys jamming up the circuts, then they must really get a kick out of how >many people are charging full ahead around in a circle. In the intelligence business the only friends are those within the intelligence circle, all others are enemies. Confusion is a weapon that will keep the enemy from banding together. I see 2 possibilities. One is that the aliens do present a threat whether it is in the form of national security or ego (ie shattering of religious, philosophical beliefs). The other possibility is that no real information as to their intentions has been discovered but by appearing to have a coverup/disinformation campaign, they give the impression that they do know w at's going on. Think of this latter statement in international terms. Other nations may be interested in knowing if there is a USA - Alien relationship. Think of the possibilities of having a highly technologically advanced race of beings on our side and how it would be viewed by other nations. Now put yourself in the position of an intelligence supervisor and think how you would use this to your advantage. I'm not saying that any of this is true. Just that to start to understand something, you have to think like them. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Bill.English Subject: Re: Windshield Guy Date: 7 Apr 90 14:09:00 GMT Ray, is there any possibly that he has suffered from a break down? -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: New Affiliates Date: 8 Apr 90 05:13:00 GMT To all: This is to introduce two new affiliates to the ParaNet family. They are: John Finney ParaNet TAU-GAMMA(sm) Chattanooga, Tennessee Pete Porro ParaNet XI-ALPHA(sm) Milwaukee, Wisconsin On behalf of the group, WELCOME! Please take a moment and introduce yourselves to everyone. Michael Corbin Administrator -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Re: Spies, Lies & ET's Date: 8 Apr 90 05:54:41 GMT In a message of <06 Apr 90 11:17>, Jim Delton (1:114/37) writes: >It's not strictly true that the US spy agencies operate outside the law. >There are some defined operational areas that they are supposed to >operate within, such as the NSA not being allowed to spy on Americans >within the US. True but how do we really know what goes on? In this Edward Lee Howard case the CIA suspected Howard of espionage so they started to watch him. This should have been the job of the FBI but the CIA wanted to avoid embarassment and felt they could take care of their own family business. So they operated illegally in the USA and lost Howard to the USSR anyway. It's all a big game with very high stakes. It runs from international politics to UFO's. And all this time we're kept in the dark because they think it's best for us; that we wouldn't want to know. And I think, the truth is that most people *wouldn't* want to know. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Conviction of Adm Poindexter Date: 8 Apr 90 04:38:00 GMT WOW! Just when I think there's no surprises in Govt left,I hear tonight via CNN that Admiral Pondexter was CONVICTED on several counts by the jury. His sentencing is set for June. This brings some interesting questions to mind...like was he previously set up as the "fall guy"? And according to some other stuff I've read..it was alleged that he was a member of MJ-12..if that is TRUE..he just got busted..what does this mean now? Comments? -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ray.Griffin Subject: Re: Windshield Guy Date: 8 Apr 90 08:49:00 GMT He has as you might say a mental injury. He has not been seen publically in this area for several months, but releases news items through his lawyer. His current feelings are that something is working on him that is connected with the supposed CIA's backing. He calls me from time to time, and hangs-up before speaking. Yes, I guess you could say he has had a break-down, but he was already quite bent. -- Ray Griffin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Griffin@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Karen.Henderson Subject: Re: Spies, Lies & ET's Date: 8 Apr 90 13:54:58 GMT They don't want to know the truth because it will complicate their lives even further. Haven't we got enough to worry about? -- Karen Henderson - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Karen.Henderson@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh Subject: Re: 3 Star Interview Date: 8 Apr 90 19:32:12 GMT Don, Doesn't the information sound an awful lot like the information that is presented to us in the many LEARx.UFO documentations. Either this has a similar author or it validates MUCH of what John Lear has to say. Either way it is a bit "fantastic" to say the least. I would be curios, to say the least, to see what the general audience of this echo thinks about this article. Believe it or not? Jeff Marsh -- Jeff Marsh - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Marsh@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Part II 3 * Date: 8 Apr 90 04:43:00 GMT This is the second and final installment of the purported interview with a retired 3 Star General, being interviewed by what was described to me as a still active duty Full Colonel interested in the subject of UFOs. Now prior to continuing with this, allow me to make an observation. Since I uploaded part one of this file, and with the upload of the previous file -- CARP.UFO-- I have received several E-Mail notes asking me why I have put out such outlandish and paranoid files. I will answer like this. First, I do not believe that any of us here have a really good and solid idea of just what is happening in the bizarre world of UFOs. Since I have started to explore this thing several years ago, believe me when I tell you that I have experienced most of the angles of this subject. Everything from the Space-Brothers are here to save us from ourselves, tales of ET love affairs with the likes of the ledgendary Semjase ( now that is one ET I would LOVE to meet! ) to tales of "Their here eating us!!" to the Leader of the free world selling drugs to support MJ-12!!!! What this all boils down to is a hell of alot of rhetoric and damn little proof. Oh, there is some proof to be sure, ie mutilated cows, ( you ain't lived till you have been up to your elbows in one ) scars on alledged abductee's ( one gentleman told me that he turned gay after his 16th birthday because of repeated abductions. he was tired of being forced to copulate with alien females ) landing traces ( hard baked soil compacted inches, something damn heavy had set down on it ) and tales from dozens of people, living in some cases a whole continent apart ( with the same information in uncanny detail ). OK, what does this mean? In my opinion, it means that SOMETHING damn strange IS INDEED ONGOING..... so, that means that the only way to find out is investigate and investigate some more. Knowledge is power, so the reason I have uploaded this files is that MAYBE someone out there in computer land, ( and you would be really suprised where all ParaNet DOES GO ) will have a missing piece of the puzzle, and better yet will contact one of we happy little band of investigators -- with PROOF .................... and by the way, to those good meaning folks that have written me email, just because I put something up here, it does not mean that I think this is what really is happening. Always read what I have to say about the file in advance. In this case, I stated that there is HIGH STRANGENESS in this one, BUT NO PROOF THAT IT IS LEGITIMATE. ***************************************************************** Part II of the 3 * interview. JULY 14, 1989 Bill> Thank you for agreeing to a second interview on this topic. Did you enjoy your trip to the mountains? 3* > Yes my wife and I had a wonderful time. Bill> What is bothering you so much about the alien situation? 3* > As I mentioned before, there have been several UFO crashes, not just the one in Roswell, New Mexico. Look at the documents I brought with me. The photos are quite explicit to the CARGO OF SOME OF THE UFOs. Bill> Why are there children aboard these crafts!? My God! You don't mean that the aliens are snaching our kids? What for?? 3* > There are over a million missing children every year in the US alone. Now, not all of them have been taken by aliens. The aliens take about 2,200 children a year from the US and other countries. Its all right there in the report attached to the three photos. The rest of the missing children are the result of mankind's dark side. You know what I mean. It's in the paper every day. The children are used in several ways; biological, to educate and return, experimentation, disease study. The same as adults. Bill> Adults are one matter, but leave the children alone. I am very bothered by this information. According to the report, implants are being used on the people that are taken aboard UFOs and returned. Some of these implants are microscopic in size (and smaller) and influence the growth, function and learning capabilities of the individual. This is a very detailed report. Could I have a copy? 3* > No, Sorry but you know our agreement was that you did not get to keep or copy any paperwork. As well as the other matters we discussed. Bill> That you did! I will keep my word, don't worry. 3* > I would like to mention a little bit more of why the public have not been told the truth. Lets run through the whole thing rather quickly. 1. Security/Fear Factor; Everyone feels safe knowing that the US is one of the dominate powers on Earth. Right? The Human race is in control and science will solve it all. The simple fact is--if you take away the security of people it is replaced with fear! Fear is the first step to chaos. Just imagine what would happen if there was an announcement that the govts. are no longer in control, we have aliens living among us, they have kidnapped our people, used them as guinea pigs, killed them, manipulated our culture, tampered with our food, created new diseases to study on us, have interbred with us and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. Now, how do you think the public would react? 2. The fact that the Govt. have been lying, covering up the truth, have given permission for abductions and experiments on the public. Keep in mind that the agencies involved are highly covert, funded very well and have almost absolute power (life and death) over anyone who interferes. How do you think the public will react? 3. Cures for certain diseases, free electrical power, pollution free energy, no longer a need for fossil fuels, abundant food and water for everyone. All of this has been possible for many years now. What would happen if this technology was turned loose to the public? The tech report showed that within the first year over 18 million people out of work. The monetary system would collapse and all of the other problems that go along with it. A REAL POSSIBILITY OF A GLOBAL NUCLEAR CONFLICT........ALL OUT OF FEAR!! Is it really worth the chance? Bill> What you say does make sense when you think about it. What is going on with the sudden surge in UFOs, aliens, abductions and the like? Is this part of the awareness program? 3* > Yes it is. The awareness program calls for the funding of movies, series on TV, specials and books. All of the "front" money will filter its way to fund a TV series or movie if it is deemed worthy of friendly, helpful alien contact. An idea is passed along to the big named producers and directors and if it takes hold, everything will fall in place and the funding starts. It is really unique how it all works. Now way to trace it to the govt. and the people involved truely believe it is their own creative work. Everyone gets into the act and no problems. After the movie hits the public, the reaction and interest of the masses are carefully monitored. Abductions of humans are both random and selective. Influential people are selected to either -- explain and guide the public or to serve some political need or requirement. UFO sightings increase when needed to draw the attention of the public. You must keep in mind that the mere mention of UFOs, aliens and the like will draw weird looks, rumors and make people believe that you have a mental problem, not playing with a full deck of cards and so forth. People will make fun of you and will laugh at you! THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT. AND WHO WANTS TO BE LAUGHED AT WHEN THEY ARE SERIOUS? The result is not one will say anything unless there are many witnesses. The unique thing about this subject is people don't want to believe. The general feeling is that mankind is all. There is nothing else but God and Country. This is what most people believe. I am not disputing or disagreeing with anything. I just find it amazing that people in general are so damn stupid and stubborn. Let alone that many are so pompous and self-rightous about their religion and self image. Do these people have a rude awaking someday! It can surely be said that we are not alone in this universe. Bill> How large are UFOs? What type of propulsion system do the crafts use? do you have any photographs I could look at? 3* > The alien crafts are disc, triangle, oblong cigar shaped. The range from 30 ft in dia. for the smaller recon discs to over 730 ft in dia. for the larger "mother" discs or the flying saucer, if you will. The triangle shaped crafts are 210 ft. in dia. This does not seem to change as you can see in the photos which show 3 different triangle crafts which all measure the same and are identical in shape and appearance. The oblong cigar shaped craft is the real big one of the three. The only one ever found by the military in the late 60's measured 1,100 ft. long with a circumference of 310 ft. Take a look at this photo and read the report attached. The information gathered from this one enabled us to copy the basics of alien technology. It took 20 yrs to do so. The basic propulsion system or drive is a fusion reactor which ranges in size from about the size of a medicine ball, you know the one tossed around in gym class, to about the size of a large Van or station wagon. It is a magnetic drive surrounded by an aura of bright white light. This is for the disc and triangle shaped crafts. The oblong cigar shaped craft does not have this aura of light. All crafts are almost totally silent. There is some noise. Bill> I can't believe the photos! This looks like something right out of the movies. The other report information which is stapled to the photos is very detailed. This information is both fantastic and very scary! I wish I could share this proof that I am now holding in my hands. I know, I won't ask again. You have to get this evidence back where it belongs before it is noticed missing, don't you? 3* > Yes I do. If this documentation ever got out I am sure several individuals would be terminated. The powers to be have a systematic method and program that deals with documentation, verification and termination of information and personnel. The most important asset to the Govt. on the subject of aliens, UFOs, cover-up story and the like is simply the "OVERALL PROJECTION OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE UFO EXPERIENCES IS ONE OF FANTASY, DELUSIONS, MIS-CONCEPTIONS, UNRELIABLE KOOKS AND CRACK-POTS AND DOWN RIGHT LIARS." Also keep in mind that the news reporters and the news media in general, poke fun at individuals with their quirk smile and light attitude about the whole thing. Matters can be documented. The proof is out there and is available. Many people must come down off their high horse and open their eyes. it is no shame to admit that you are wrong. No one knows everything and no one should be expected to. Bill> It seems to me that you have talked to several people about this subject and the outcome has been negative? At least as you describe the general attitude earlier. Maybe we ought to wrap this issue up? 3* > I really hate to be sour about this subject but the people of this planet have a God given right to the truth. Many people will not believe what has been stated herein. Many questions are raised and can not be answered. Certainly not to the satisfaction of many. Until the day comes when the big announcement and/or experience happens to you --the individual--you will be too busy and skeptical. Just like I was! Bill> Thank you for everything you have done for me. As I agreed to do earlier, I will edit out the graphic details and other information you requested to cover you identity and prevent the people who helped you obtain the documentation from being suspected. 3* > I am well aware that there are no guarantees when this informatioon hits the media. I just hope that the people involved with this whole UFO, alien, and Govt. connection will come forward and let the world know. I feel that mankind will become mature enough to think before acting in the coming decade of the 1990's. ************************END OF FILE**************************** END OF TRANSCRIPTION FROM MASTER TAPE--EDITED AS PER AGREEMENT--- ( from the hard copy---- D. E. ) -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Don.Sudduth Subject: Re: Japan Video Update Date: 8 Apr 90 12:46:00 GMT How can one get a copy of the Japan video?? -- Don Sudduth - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Sudduth@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Bill.English Subject: Re: Windshield Guy Date: 8 Apr 90 13:53:00 GMT Do you happen to recall his lawyers name. There are several things that need toe discussed regards his relation ship with UFINET.And frankly I am a little curious as to what brought all of this on... Bill -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Burke Subject: Re: Moore Of The Same! Date: 9 Apr 90 02:11:58 GMT Don: That has been my impression on the Moore story. While he was off chasing the MJ-12 wild goose, a number of important Roswell witnesses died off (from natural causes of course, since that happened 43 years ago). As a result some important clues in the Roswell mystery may have been lost forever. It's too bad that when Moore was investigating Roswell, the only other ufologist who took crash/retrieval cases seriously was Len Stringfield. This meant that all the gov't. had to do was tie Moore up with a protracted Easter Egg hunt for a few years, and then let the laws of nature take care of all the Roswell witnesses who were never questioned by Moore. Nevertheless, it looks like CUFOS started taking this case seriously just in the nick of time, since there are still a number of good witnesses kicking around. It looks like we'll have to wait 'till December for the book by Randle & Schmitt, with the CUFOS monograph coming along after that. Nice typing at you! Regards -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.) Subject: Tesla/EM Date: 9 Apr 90 18:53:45 GMT Clark: I think I read about the meteor noise in an old book of Martin Gardner's. I don't know how good the observations are. One might also look in Corliss's Source Books of anomalies as he rates them carefully. As for Tesla, I'm afraid I'm only familiar with his more mundane accomplishments such as AC power nets and the ubiquitous Tesla coils. It is true that the propagation of acoustic waves in elastic media (air, water, solids, etc) depends upon the EM force between the molecules and atoms of the medium. However EM radiation can propagate in the vacuum and sound cannot, so there are significant differences. I'm not really up on the literature concerning the interactions of microwaves and humans. the russians think they cause chromosome damage and illness; US workers think the effects are mild except at high power levels and purely thermal so our acceptable dose limits are higher than theirs. Still, that didn't stop them from bombarding our embassy in Moscow with microwaves to recharge their surveillance mechanisms built into the building. We should have brought in a Xmitter via diplomatic pouch and zapped them back rather than screening the building and yapping about it. My recollection is that studies in the 1960's indicated that brief bursts of fairly high power caused a "frying" noise to be heard by volunteers, but I don't know any details. One might try the transactions of the IEEE, or the CRC critical reviews series as a start. The idea that the effect is caused by transient heating is not farfetched as the human ear is very sensitive, only selective attention and environmental noise usually prevent us from using this sensitivity. A number of sensor instruments have been constructed which work by recording the sound made when EM radiation is absorbed. If the vibrations are quantized, they are called "phonons." -- John ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************