Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 203 Friday, April 13th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: 3 Star Interview Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter The Mr. Ed Show Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter Re: The Mr. Ed Show Re: Spies, Lies & ET's Re: Strange flash of light Black Helicopters Re: 3 Star Interview Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter Re: Strange flash of light Well Re: Black Helicopters Re: Moore Of The Same! Re: Chronocentricity Re: Em And Hearing Re: Conviction Of Adm Poindexter Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter Re: Strange flash of light Re: Spies, Lies & ET's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: 3 Star Interview Date: 9 Apr 90 21:01:00 GMT I don't believe it (3 star interview). We are supposed to believe that kind of on a whim, one military officer gives out some of the most secret of secrets to another militiary officer. And then, when he won't join up, so to speak, he suddenly gets the cold shoulder in all his regualar work. That makes no sense since it obviously draws attention to someone they are trying to distant themsleves from. IN addition, we have the real life instance where Barry Goldwater, a Senator and General in the Reserves, asks a good friend, a General, to let him take a little look around a secret area of an AFB and Goldwater is turned down COLD. The whole thing sounds like an attempt by someone who wants to pull an "MJ-12" to provide evidence to support his gut level beliefs. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter Date: 10 Apr 90 01:03:00 GMT JD>The only one getting off that was a major player is Reagan, and we all know that you usually don't convict the mentally ill. Well......there you go again Jim.(hehehehe). I can't imagine a better patsy than dear OLD "I don't recall" Ronnie. Still,I believe that we're in deep ca-ca when we have the same players in the administration year after year. I don't even VOTE anymore...what's the use anyway? -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: The Mr. Ed Show Date: 10 Apr 90 05:55:00 GMT All: Ed Walters was on KFYI here in Phoenix last night. Jim Delton called in and asked a few question. Jim: Good questions. What did you think of the answers? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter Date: 10 Apr 90 17:08:00 GMT If Jimmy Carter hadn't made it to the WHite House I would be more in agreement that we have the same players year after year but I have a hard time viewing him as one of the "inner circle" of the supposed group that controls everything. One thing that I *do* find intriguing is that we have had three presidents that have had interest in the UFOP -P question. Both Ronnie and Jimmy had a sighting and Ford was one of the people who was interested in Congressional Hearings when he was a Rep. And at least one of them, I think it was Carter, essentially said that he would make the gvt open its books on UFO's if he was elected. Yet not a one of them ever did anything on the UFO question once they got in office. While many people feel they know what the gvt is hiding in regard to UFO's, I am not persuaded by any of their arguments that they have actually figured out the truth, but I am convinced that there is something that the gvt knows that relates to UFO's that they are, in fact, not telling us. It may be as simple as "We don't know what the heck is up their and untill we do we are going to continue to deny ANYTHING is up their." -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: The Mr. Ed Show Date: 10 Apr 90 17:29:00 GMT I found Mr. Ed to be a well spoken individual. His answer to the question -- "Why does the photo expert (Maccabe) conclude that an obviously 22 foot diameter object is only 8 feet?" to be unpersuasive. He answer was that the measurements in that picture, as in all others, was of the light ring, not of the fuzzy superstructure. It just didn't make sense for two reasons. One, there is nothing fuzzy about hardly any of his pictures, and two, I don't recall hearing that it was always the light ring being measured rather then the overall objects diameter. As to the question of "Why didn't you get a better camera instead of that old polariod?" He said he did get a better one, but he kind of waffled around after that. And when I pointed out that all the really good photos were the polaroid ones he first started to say that wasn't so, but quickly backtracked and hemmed and hawed and said yes, the polaroids did seem to always be the best one. I also asked if B. Maccabbee (one of these spellings has got to be right) or any other investigator is participating in the proceeds of the books. He said that no one was and that MacCaBees only financial connection was that Bruce was paid to write a report that was an appendix to a MUFON report, or some such. I would like to have asked about the Photo of the UFO in the middle of a section of chain link fence. To my eye it is such an obvious fake that I have a hard time understanding how it ever got into the book. But without being able to have the photo in front of both of us and the audience, any discussion of it would have been impossible. Maybe I'm missinterpeting that photo, but I would sure like to hear what others who get a hold of the book think of that one in particular. (Jim - Is there a B. Dalton's Near you?? Hint hint) One thing to keep in mind is that ED has undoubtedly been asked all of these guestions before and has had plenty of practice in answering them so even thought he was able to do a good job on the answers I still have many doubts about the whole situation. The inability to capture good photos on anything but his own or a jury rigged SRS camera, is disturbing. Also, the references made to an "SRS" camera are kind of misleading. It makes it sound like is was some kind of superdupper camera when all it is is two polariods stuck on a stick. The only truely non-fudgeable camera that was used was the Nimslo Stereo 35mm and the photos I saw that were taken with that were unimpressive in the extreme, consisting of a few faint point of light and in a completely different configuation that just about all the other photos. One might almost conjecture that when confronted with a camera system he couldn't monkey with (as I recall the camera was even sealed so he couldn't even change the film himself) he decided that he would just take some photos that were so faint that about all one could say was that they were of "something". -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Karen.Henderson Subject: Re: Spies, Lies & ET's Date: 11 Apr 90 12:45:33 GMT You've captured my interst now, Paul. Why do you have no choice in the matter of believing in UFO's? -- Karen Henderson - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Karen.Henderson@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Gregg.Pasterick Subject: Re: Strange flash of light Date: 11 Apr 90 14:46:00 GMT The latest I've come across on that St. Pat's bolide is that someone......experts?......I'm not sure.....considers that it might have been a bit of a comet. A fellow posted regarding an article in a newspaper, and evidently pieces of it were recovered, and were comet-like. Whatever it was, it must've been a great show........... Gregg -- Gregg Pasterick - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gregg.Pasterick@f20.n3607.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Charles.Mcelhinney Subject: Black Helicopters Date: 12 Apr 90 04:29:14 GMT Hmmm...I can't seem to find your original message, and have managed to piece together this information from what I've read of your messages: You and a friend were driving along when a black helicopter with no markings hovered over you, blocked your path and then flew off. Is that it in a nutshell? I'd like to hear your whole story including where the whole thing took place. Finding out where it took off from probably wouldn't be too hard. Well, I'd just like to know the whole story, so if you could repeat it, I'd be much obliged. -- Charles Mcelhinney - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Charles.Mcelhinney@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh Subject: Re: 3 Star Interview Date: 11 Apr 90 20:43:13 GMT JD> is turned down COLD. The whole thing sounds like an attempt by someon JD> who wants to pull an "MJ-12" to provide evidence to support his gut JD> level beliefs. Are you saying that you don't believe "MJ-12" exists? Or is it some kind of disinformation group? I don't necessarily believe in the 3 STAR report either... partially, because, it basically sounded like plagerism from some of LEARS documentation. I think both are wildly unfounded! But what if? Kind of makes you wonder. Jeff -- Jeff Marsh - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Marsh@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh Subject: Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter Date: 11 Apr 90 20:49:58 GMT JD> Rep. And at least one of them, I think it was Carter, essentially sai JD> that he would make the gvt open its books on UFO's if he was elected. JD> Yet not a one of them ever did anything on the UFO question once they JD> got in office. While many people feel they know what the gvt is hidin Again, this brings in "MJ-12" (if in fact it is real); who has/had so much power that they told the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES that he can't divulge their information! I hope you and others notice one other thing here. How often does any one in an official (gov't or otherwise) come into Paranet (because it's very public) and say anything about US raising questions about our government deceiving us? If they came in to try and stop Paranet, they would undoubtably confirm the fact(s) that the government has something to hide. As a matter of principle I would expect someone to try and shut these echos off because of the negative stuff said about the gov't, etc... but ... NOTHING! Why? Because they really don't want to give credibility to any of this. It's kind of scary, in a way. Any thoughts on those statements I just made? Jeff -- Jeff Marsh - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Marsh@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Komar Subject: Re: Strange flash of light Date: 12 Apr 90 04:11:00 GMT In a message to John Komar <04-11-90 07:46> Gregg Pasterick wrote: GP=> The latest I've come across on that St. Pat's bolide GP=>is that someone......experts?......I'm not GP=>sure.....considers that it might have been a bit of a GP=>comet. A fellow posted regarding an article in a GP=>newspaper, and evidently pieces of it were recovered, and GP=>were comet-like. GP=> Whatever it was, it must've been a great GP=>show........... Did he actually locate a piece of it??? John -- John Komar - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Well Date: 12 Apr 90 05:08:00 GMT Maybe the satelites and telescopes don't detect anything "alien" because there is nothing to detect. It is one possible option. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!John.Burke Subject: Re: Black Helicopters Date: 11 Apr 90 23:35:00 GMT Mike: I *think* I know generally where you're talking about & if that happened to me I would have been scared right off the mountain. (I've been up there 4 or 5 times.) BTW I just picked up the Natn'l Weekly Edition of The Washington Post (Vol. 7 No.21 3/26-4/1 '90) which features a cover story on the NSA entitled "Eyes Only". The article points out that the NRO (Natn'l. Recon.) really exists. So the alleged home of the Black Copters isn't just a Cooperfiction after all! -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!John.Burke Subject: Re: Moore Of The Same! Date: 11 Apr 90 23:48:00 GMT Jim: There's going to be at least one more excavation expedition at the crash site. Anyone who wants to help out with the "grunt work" is invited to go along & should contact CUFOS. The monograph is being held back just to give the book a chance to make some dough, at the publisher's request. As far as the Mortuary story, I think it's bogus. A while back (Dec.) I asked Mark Rodeghier if there was any truth to the rumor that an undertaker in the area "came forward" with the story that in July of 1947 the Army Air Corps bought out his entire inventory of kiddie koffins (sorry!). Mark said that the CUFOS investigation revealed no such info & that it sounded like BS. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!John.Burke Subject: Re: Chronocentricity Date: 12 Apr 90 00:07:00 GMT Gary: Now you've got me puzzling over how nanotechnology will change the explanation of brain function. Here's to thinking small! :-) -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Em And Hearing Date: 12 Apr 90 03:59:00 GMT > 2242). The reference is to The UFO Investigator, Vol. 3, > Nov-Dec. 1965, p5. It summarizes work by Prof. Clyde E. > Ingalls, of Cornell Univ. No details are given, but it Thanks, John! I'll look into it! Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Conviction Of Adm Poindexter Date: 12 Apr 90 04:09:00 GMT > Again, this brings in "MJ-12" (if in fact it is real); > who has/had > so much power that they told the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED > STATES that > he can't divulge their information! Wouldn't be the first time! FDR was taken off the "eyes only" list for the ULTRA intercepts just before Pearl Harbor, remember. They thought he was a security risk... Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Conviction of Adm Poindexter Date: 12 Apr 90 06:18:00 GMT > I hope you and others notice one other thing here. How often does > any one in an official (gov't or otherwise) come into Paranet (because > it's very public) and say anything about US raising questions about > our government deceiving us? If they came in to try and stop Paranet, > they would undoubtably confirm the fact(s) that the government has > something to hide. As a matter of principle I would expect someone to > try and shut these echos off because of the negative stuff said about > the gov't, etc... but ... NOTHING! Why? Because they really don't > want to give credibility to any of this. It's kind of scary, in a > way. Any thoughts on those statements I just made? Well, Jeff, its interesting that there's been no attempt like that (that I know of), but I wouldn't exactly say its scary - that would be like the old joke about the elephant hiding in the tree (if you don't see it, that only proves how well they hide!) It COULD be argued that the feds don't move in on us because they really DON'T have anything, and we're just spinning our wheels. I think its more likely however, that they do have at least a little bit of knowledge, but are so secure in their belief that we'll never come up with it that they don't need to bother with us. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Strange flash of light Date: 12 Apr 90 06:20:00 GMT > been a bit of a comet. A fellow posted regarding an article in a > newspaper, and evidently pieces of it were recovered, and were comet- > like. Wait a minute...they recovered traces of a comet? Wouldn't we have seen that in the page 1 headlines? As far as I know, comet traces aren't recovered every day.... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Re: Spies, Lies & ET's Date: 12 Apr 90 05:57:07 GMT In a message of <11 Apr 90 05:45:33>, Karen Henderson (1:209/725) writes: >You've captured my interst now, Paul. Why do you have no choice in the >matter of believing in UFO's? No I meant that since the Gov't won't release any information they have on UFO's, that we are being controlled by either the lack of information or by a disinformation campaign. We have no choice in making our own descisions because we aren't given enough information to make a descision. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************