Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 211 Tuesday, May 1st 1990 Today's Topics: nar Re: Frequencies, moderators, and scientists Re: Paranet Newsletter 209 Another Movie UFO plot Death of Chronocentricity Couple of things Re: Flap In Belgium? Sonic booms & UFO's Re: Important Info. Sonic booms & UFO's Flap in progress? Sonic booms & UFO's Flap in progress? Re: (none) Re: Flap in Belgium? Re: Flap in Belgium? Flap in progress? Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Re: Sonic booms & UFO's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ZAK@cu.nih.gov Subject: nar Date: 27 Apr 90 21:10:43 GMT == For Your Information == Has anyone heard/see of this group/newsletter? == Forwarded Mail == MAIL VIA BITNET FROM PSI-L@RPIECS.BITNET FRIDAY 04/27/90 1:35:07 P.M. Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU by NIHCU (Mailer) id 2084; Fri, 27 Apr 90 13:35:07 EDT Received: from PUCC.BITNET by PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (Mailer R2.07B) with BSMTP id 2077; Fri, 27 Apr 90 13:33:23 EDT Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 09:29:36 PDT Reply-To: Parapsychology Discussion Forum Sender: Parapsychology Discussion Forum Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was >From: Alex Leavens Subject: Re: Frequencies, moderators, and scientists To: Multiple recipients of list PSI-L David Barton asks what the nature of the Nevada Aerial Research Newsletter is; when I made my posting, I deliberately refrained from discussing the newsletter, or its contents, simply because much of what they focus on is not the topic of this list. NAR primarily focuses on the topic of UFOlogy, with specific interest in the information (or disinformation) regarding Groom Lake, Area 51, and the US Gov't/Greys secret treaty. If anyone's curious, e-mail me privately for more details. NAR also covers a fairly wide range of 'alternative reality' stuff; information on the Supreme Court turning the US into a police state (which has already happened), biomedical research, the use of mental hospitals as a form of political control (which has a long and ignominious history in the US) and other equally radical topics. Anyone interested in more info about frequency research involving brain entrainment can contact me; I've got further info about frequencies, and approaches to take in studying them. --alex -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Storke N7MSD Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 209 Date: 27 Apr 90 21:11:43 GMT Does anyone know how to get a hold of Goodman? This may be a long shot, but maybe the university radio station would like to put him on the air. We already have plenty of students, what about someone who actually has something to say? Just my thoughts on the matter, Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Lapp Subject: Another Movie UFO plot Date: 28 Apr 90 17:26:59 GMT -+ Report on new movie: -+ -+ Alien Seed. Released 1989. I.P. Associates(?) Not distributed in I think this was released to theatres -- at least I remember seeing the title before. Anyway, I recently stumbled onto a movie on television a few weeks back that really had a UFO theme. Perhaps someone else can tell me the title and date of release. The only major actor that I can recall was Cybil Shepard. In the film, set in the southwest US, the local farmers are upset to find that their cattle are being mutilated. It turns out that a local hermit has a 'light-laser-like knife' which he uses to painlessly kill the animal and sever parts. He then takes these parts back to his shack, where, in the back is a tunnel with a 'time-warp' kind of hole to which he is impelled to toss these parts. Sybil Shepard, and a male actor, both find themselves back in this small town while things weird are going on. Both find out that they feel like they have been here before. Both find out that they both saw a UFO when they were 4 years old, and that no one in town would believe them at the time. So they become 'soul friends' since they have this unbelievable event in common. Eventually, the hermit gets carried away, and starts killing and mutilating people and takes people parts back to his time-warp hole. He also seems to "know" about these two other people and does his best to drive them out of town. They are undaunted, and eventually track him down to his tunnel and time warp. At this point, he starts after them with his light stick, but plunging it into Cybil causes nothing to happen -- it just enters her body and comes out again with no harm done. He then realizes that she is not 'normal' and in a struggle (the male hero shows up about this time), the hermit is tossed into the time-warp. Also about this time, some sort of 'mother ship' UFO appears above the hermits shack and tunnel and "takes away" the time-warp tunnel. The hero and heroine watch all this in awe as it is the same thing they saw before, except close-up this time. They wave goodbye to the ship as it goes off into the sky. The End. (Sorry, I missed the very beginning of the film, so I don't know the circumstances of how things started in the first place). (Another point: the male may have been a Mark Harmon type. I don't recall. Cybil's father was played by Raymond Burr. The hermit was a name actor as well, but I don't recall his name.) I thought the film was interesting since it portrayed both human and cattle mutilation (a topic I've seen in Paranet several times). The UFOers weren't portrayed as either bad guys or good guys, but just different. A lot of things went unexplained as well. - tom -- internet : mvac23!thomas@udel.edu or thomas%mvac23@udel.edu uucp : {ucbvax,mcvax,psuvax1,uunet}!udel!mvac23!thomas Europe Bitnet: THOMAS1@GRATHUN1 Location: Newark, DE, USA Quote : The only way to win thermonuclear war is not to play. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: logajan@ns.network.com (John Logajan) Subject: Death of Chronocentricity Date: 29 Apr 90 19:56:43 GMT The fallacy of Chronocentricity Chronocentricity attempts to explain much -- instead explains nothing, yet requires a lot of words to do so. The false thesis is that we are limited by chronocentricity to always explaining things in the terms of the known. This is bass- ackward. EVERYTHING has to be explained in the terms of the known -- explaining in terms of the unknown is not explaining at all! Chronocentricity by definition, then, encompasses every explanation. Once you cut through the fog, you can see that chronocentricity is but a fancy way to say that we don't know everything yet. Startling! Let me be anti-climactic in dealing with the assertion that the view of mind as computer is proof of the chronocentricity thesis. Nonsense. The computer is an INTENTIONAL attempt to mimic the human mind. Although from a historical sense it might be more intuitive to say that the computer is mind-like, reciprocity in this case allows the correct conclusion that the mind is computer-like. Chronocentricity is a ludicrous way of making the simple statement that we don't know everything (yet.) As I have shown, it predicts nothing more than the simpler statement -- so apply Occam's razor. - John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428 - logajan@ns.network.com, john@logajan.mn.org, 612-424-4888, Fax 424-2853 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Gross Subject: Couple of things Date: 30 Apr 90 23:19:41 GMT Hi ya'll, It has been a while. Mike, I'm sorry to hear about what's been happening in your life. Let me know if I can do anything to help you. One thing, is the BBS down until Mike gets back up, or is there another BBS that I can modem to from home. I get the list at work, but I sometimes modem in at night from home. That is usually when I can enter in pieces of info that I just don't have time to do during the day. I want to continue my dialog with Paul and few others about precognitive dreams. Now a final item. I've been reading a book called "Nighteyes" by Garfield Reeves-Stevens. It is about UFOs, abductions, and government cover-up. Supposed to be pure fiction--but some of it leaves you wondering. Budd Hopkins is mentioned. None of the other names rung any bells. It is a compelling read--intense. Reeves-Stevens has a knack for pulling you in to the world he has created in the book. I won't give away the ending--mainly 'cause I'm not finished with it yet. But it is an interesting book. Also, the is another one that I finished some months ago called "Probe." I don't remember who wrote it--but it too deals with UFOs and abductions (fictionally). Anybody else read these books? If so, comments!? Well, gotta run. The thunder storms are hitting, and it's going home time. Now where did I put my water wings!!? Gene Gross -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Re: Flap In Belgium? Date: 26 Apr 90 22:29:00 GMT Regarding Belgium: There have been several reports coming out of there since November, 1989. I have attempted to contact an Air Force official for that country, but have not met with success. I also understand that the sightings are ongoing. I also have some information coming from the AP bureau there. I will get it online soon. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Sonic booms & UFO's Date: 22 Apr 90 23:22:13 GMT With the speed that UFO's seem to be able to attain, I'm curious if there have ever been reports of sonic booms heard? I've never read of one being reported. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kay.Schaney Subject: Re: Important Info. Date: 22 Apr 90 21:18:00 GMT I would say that a professional investigator might communicate "Secret Information" by private E-MAIL. Posting a Public Message saying that somthing "HOT, HOT, HOT" is happening, but we can't post it, just gets everyone "HET UP". I think that most of the people here in this message base immediately prick up their ears when this sort of message is posted. I say either share the information publicly or keep it private if it is not to be made public. Don't wag carrots around in front of me, please! Jest my 2 cents. Kay -- Kay Schaney - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kay.Schaney@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Sonic booms & UFO's Date: 23 Apr 90 06:40:00 GMT > > With the speed that UFO's seem to be able to attain, I'm curious if > there have ever been reports of sonic booms heard? I've never read of > one being reported. No, and that's one of the little chestnuts that the slide-rule types trot out to rail against the phenomenon. "An object accelerating to those speeds would create a sonic boom. Since none are reported, UFOs don't exist." (Said while pushing glasses against bridge of nose with index finger). There is a phenomenon, which at this time must be treated separately, called "skyquakes," mysterious booming sounds heard over large areas, which cannot be associated with known aircraft in the area. Hot spots for these include Hawaii and New Jersey. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Flap in progress? Date: 23 Apr 90 06:46:00 GMT Received from Dan Wright, Deputy Director, Investigations, Mutual UFO Network: <> -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Sonic booms & UFO's Date: 23 Apr 90 22:56:15 GMT In a message of <22 Apr 90 23:40:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes: >"An object accelerating to those >speeds would create a sonic boom. Since none are reported, UFOs don't >exist." (Said while pushing glasses against bridge of nose with index >finger). Alright, so what creates the boom? It's supposed to be the breaking of the sound barrier. But are aerodynamics involved. Or to put it another way, what method of supersonic travel would not create a sonic boom? If air or air pressure is involved how can one travel without disturbing the air? >There is a phenomenon, which at this time must be treated separately, >called "skyquakes," mysterious booming sounds heard over large areas, >which >cannot be associated with known aircraft in the area. Hot spots for these >include Hawaii and New Jersey. Yes I've heard these when I was living on the NJ shore. Explanations were earthquakes in mid-ocean or military planes traveling over the ocean. I would think that there would be recordings of seismic activity if they were earth- quakes. Military jets are possible if their flight plans weren't reported because of secret missions etc. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Flap in progress? Date: 23 Apr 90 22:55:01 GMT In a message of <22 Apr 90 23:46:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes: >suggest an intense period ahead....the reports were concentrated in >Florida, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and Oklahoma, but with >several from northern states - Indiana, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and >Oregon....several of these were genuine daylight reports... Pennsylvania huh? I feel sort of left out. I never see or read of anything happening in PA. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh Subject: Re: (none) Date: 23 Apr 90 19:52:36 GMT DW> going to pull in more money) for the reason that the show doesn't fit DW> the stations format (unless there's been a format change, which there DW> hasn't been at KVEG). That just wouldn't make sense, nor would it be DW> financially sound. Agreed.... Not only didn't the show fit the format but... I'm saying lately (NOT CURRENTLY)... that time space is just silence. There is NO show in it's place from my source. Jeff -- Jeff Marsh - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Marsh@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Re: Flap in Belgium? Date: 27 Apr 90 05:03:00 GMT BC>A friend told me that a few days ago he could the tail end of a TV item BC>that carried a movie footage from Belgium. My friend who has looked at a lot BC>of UFO footages over the years described it as looking like the typical BC>effect one gets of a defocused image of say Venus, only difference being BC>that this one for a change was apparently a daylight footage. He wasn't BC>very impressed. Thats all I know. Regards from down under. Hey,thanks for the response Bill. I didn't expect to see anything about it in the States in the papers,media,etc but had hoped to hear about it on *this* net. Regards- Don Allen -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Re: Flap in Belgium? Date: 27 Apr 90 05:10:00 GMT BC>Several times the UFO was "seen" from the ground, but each time the BC aircraft got there too late. Scientists on the ground appear to have BC>produced an image of the object. It is a triangle 30 metres to 50 metres BC>in diameter, with red, green and white lights at the corners, 10 times BC>brighter than any star. It has a convex underbelly and makes a whistling BC>noise. Yowya! Now,That's what I call a "biggie"! Thanks again Bill. -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Finney Subject: Flap in progress? Date: 25 Apr 90 06:16:53 GMT > Received from Dan Wright, Deputy Director, Investigations, Mutual UFO > Network: > > suggest an intense period ahead....the reports were concentrated in > Florida, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and Oklahoma, but with > several from northern states - Indiana, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and > Oregon....several of these were genuine daylight reports... what areas of Tennessee are involved? john -- John Finney - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Finney@f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robert.Hood Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Date: 26 Apr 90 06:36:12 GMT You asked what sort of propulsion could propel an object such as a UFO at supersonic fields without causing a sonic boom, correct? One idea I've played around with in a few SF stories is that of a teleportation device that operates by swapping volumes of space. Theoretically, if such a device is possible, it could be used to move air around the UFO in such a manner as to not cause a sonic boom. Of course, why do that; it would be much simpler to just teleport the UFO itself to its destination. I believe aerodynamics play a part in the sonic boom phenomenon. A sonic boom is what one gets when the "sound barrier" is broken. The sound barrier is described in one place as air "piling up" at the nose of the vehicle that impedes said vehicle's progress, correct? Thus, the breaking of this barrier happens when the vehicle's speed causes the air to stop piling up in front of it. This air is forced aside by the vehicle and causes the boom. Theoretically, a well-designed vehicle could stop the initial piling up of air, thus not making a "sound barrier" in the first place. If there is no sound barrrier, it can't be broken - right? Thus, no barrier, no boom. I think I'm right on this; can someone out there tell me if I'm off-base? -- Robert Hood - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Robert.Hood@p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Date: 28 Apr 90 02:56:55 GMT In a message of <25 Apr 90 23:36:12 >, Robert Hood (1:362/701) writes: > >I believe aerodynamics play a part in the sonic boom phenomenon. A sonic >boom is what one gets when the "sound barrier" is broken. The sound >barrier is described in one place as air "piling up" at the nose of the >vehicle that impedes said vehicle's progress, correct? Actually I don't know. Sound uses air as it's medium so what you're saying makes sense. >Theoretically, a well-designed vehicle >could stop the initial piling up of air, thus not making a "sound >barrier" in the first place. So you're saying that something with a good aerodynamic design would be less likely to create a boom? You could be right. A stealth fighter that makes a sonic boom wouldn't be too stealthy would it? -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************