Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 219 Thursday, May 10th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall Re: Magnetic grid? Re: Magnetic grid? Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall Re: Magnetic grid? Re: Magnetic grid? Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA Magnetic grid? Magnetic grid? MAGNETIC MAPS UFOs Abound Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall Re: MAGNETIC MAPS Ufos Abound Bill Cooper's Downfall Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall NUFOC UFO chronology project ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall Date: 8 May 90 03:13:13 GMT In a message of <06 May 90 10:33:38>, Jeff Marsh (1:209/725) writes: > I see it now. These guys (i.e. Lear, Cooper) are people who at one >time or another, we (as people interested in UFO's) took fairly >seriously. Well... my opinion is: They meant to do that... then >are now meaning to allow themselves to be discredited to put a >larger dent in the debunking and undermining of serious ufologists. >One possibility...? We'll know for sure if Lear starts screwing up >like Cooper in the near future. I'm convinced that Cooper is in it for the money. He's a showman and anyone in show business needs publicity. Look at Zsa Zsa Gabor. Do you ever see her acting in anything? I don't. But her name is extremely well known. But what are Lear's motives? He seems to be financially well off and he doesn't seem to be deriving income from the UFO business. Isn't he a biggie in the Lear jet corporation? I thought that Lear and Cooper were "UFO buddies", at least for a while. Now they are at opposite ends. Possibly Lear just wants to disassociate himself from Cooper (?) -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Re: Magnetic grid? Date: 8 May 90 02:54:56 GMT In a message of <07 May 90 12:15:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes: > >Amie Michel's Straight line theory turned out to be basically reading >something >into the data that wasn't there. The same answeres could be developed by >randomly generating "sighting" locations as by plotting real sightings. I'm trying to see if there's a pattern of some sort but if there is one, I haven't seen it yet. One of the other things I ponder about is the different shape of the UFO's. There are round ones, triangular, wedding cake etc. Is there a purpose to each style of ship? Are these different styles representative of a changing technology at the ET's homeworld, or are they representative of different races visiting us? -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Re: Magnetic grid? Date: 8 May 90 03:09:35 GMT In a message of <07 May 90 12:16:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes: >but some are more persuasive and, just as important, there's evidence >that governments think some of these theories have merit. I'm speaking >of the major US installations at Pine Gap in Australia, among others. >And rumors of bizarre tests and other phenomena at these places. >Perhaps the most interesting part is a step-by-step lesson in how to >induce anti-gravity. It works. Thanks for the tip Clark. I'll check into this. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall Date: 8 May 90 03:46:00 GMT > I'm convinced that Cooper is in it for the money. He's a showman and > anyone in show business needs publicity. Look at Zsa Zsa Gabor. Do you > ever see her acting in anything? I don't. But her name is extremely well > known. Kinda like Peggy Cass and Charles Nelson Reilly... > > But what are Lear's motives? He seems to be financially well off and he > doesn't seem to be deriving income from the UFO business. Isn't he a > biggie in the Lear jet corporation? He is the estranged son of William Lear of Learjet fame. He did not inherit the family fortune, but instead makes a decent living as a DC-10 pilot. I've been to his house, he lives well, but not like a king. > > I thought that Lear and Cooper were "UFO buddies", at least for a > while. Now they are at opposite ends. Possibly Lear just wants to > disassociate himself from Cooper (?) I think there is a shred of sanity and perhaps scruples in Lear, whereas Cooper is completely lacking in both. Either that or Lear is simply smart enough to see that his friendship with Cooper was a sinking ship. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Magnetic grid? Date: 8 May 90 03:50:00 GMT > In a message of <07 May 90 12:16:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes: Your softare seems to be infatuated with me, Paul. Not only did I NOT write that message, I didn't write the previous one either. Or is it because I used the Forwarding function? (The new Qecho munged three days worth of messages, I spent three hours this morning fixing it, and forwarding was the only way I knew how to get Qecho to treat them as "virgin".) Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Magnetic grid? Date: 8 May 90 03:55:00 GMT -> Thanks for the tip Clark. I'll check into this. Don't mention it. The anti-grav. method is a timeworn PARTY TRICK. But don't dismiss it just because it's a party trick. It does work. Even weirder, it seems to have a psychic component. Beats the hell out of me, but there it is... Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA Date: 8 May 90 04:02:00 GMT ->Woodward dupes, who hang on his every word as Biblical ->pronouncements, admit that what Woodward claimed as gospel ->from Casey's death-bed lips were somewhat far-fetched. -> ->Casey's wife said they were absolute lies - and she was ->there.... Ea, politics aside, I must agree with you here. Woodward's Casey death-bed confessions are patently false. Casey was comatose, on a ventilator, and completely unreachable for months. Woodward's story is a lie. So, in all likelihood, are many of the suppositions he tries to put in Casey's mouth. I know someone who's prospering at the Washington Post and I don't think much of the person. In fact, I don't think much of the paper. How does the saying go about the Wash. Post? I believe it's "Sally Quinn screw*d her way to the top, Bob Woodward lied his way to the top ... and Kate Graham does everything on top..." Or words to that effect. Tell me, Ea, do you believe Woodward's so-called wondersource, "Deep Throat" ever existed? Just curious. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: Magnetic grid? Date: 7 May 90 19:29:00 GMT > I'll have to keep a watch for this book. What you're saying > regarding his observations is something I've been thinking > about. If a map showing these "lines of flux" as you put it, > were fixed in position it might be interesting to see if there > are more UFO's reported along these lines than outside of them. I don't think there are any lines of flux, except that at any point on which you are standing could be considered to be a point on a north-south line of flux. I think we just call it lines of flux as a convenient term. In the case of the Earth, it would actually be more like a hollow sphere which would dip toward the surface at the poles. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: Magnetic grid? Date: 7 May 90 19:36:01 GMT > For instance, why are UFOs "hanging around" certain areas? They > seem to come to an area like the Hudson Valley, Gulf Breeze, > Fyffe Alabama; stay around for a while and then go away. Bear in mind that there are two huge military installations in the immediate Gulf Breeze area. UFOs supposedly like military bases. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: MAGNETIC MAPS Date: 7 May 90 19:38:02 GMT > Paul: If you wish to procure maps which show the relative > intensity of magnetic patterns, via their deviation, go to your > local flying service and check out air navigation maps which > have isogonic lines on them which indicates parallels in > magnetic variation. Nautical charts can also supply similar information, although aero charts may have more detail. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: UFOs Abound Date: 7 May 90 20:15:03 GMT > Believe me, I'd love to think otherwise, but from my experience > with mainstream journalists, this is all a product of sweeps > month. I second that opinion. As an aside, a local TV news staff turned an insignificant case of a kook holed up in a convenience store into pratically a miniseries, complete with updates every few minutes, etc. As if that weren't enough, the next night one reporter intervied another about his participation (answering the phone). jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall Date: 7 May 90 21:54:49 GMT PF> I'm glad to see Cooper get what he deserves but am a bit upset with L PF> admission that he and "another person" dreamed up the Krill material. PF> Lear and/or Moore involved with the UFO Coverup Live TV show? How much PF> material on there was "dreamed up" ? and why did Lear admit to this? T PF> seems to be a movement to "come clean"; first Moore and now Lear and w PF> this other person that helped with the Krill papers? Why are people f PF> up to things which may never have been discovered if only they kept th PF> mouth's shut? I saw that, and I thought that Lear has said he heard Cooper talking to someone else at a UFO conference, and heard him say that he had made up Krill, not that he (Lear) himself made it up. -- Daniel Wisnosky - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Daniel.Wisnosky@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jeff.Marsh Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall Date: 8 May 90 10:28:43 GMT PF> But what are Lear's motives? He seems to be financially well off and PF> doesn't seem to be deriving income from the UFO business. Isn't he a b PF> in the Lear jet corporation? PF> I thought that Lear and Cooper were "UFO buddies", at least for a whi PF> they are at opposite ends. Possibly Lear just wants to disassociate hi PF> from Cooper (?) Actually, Lear was/is disinherited from the LEAR fortune/company/estate whatever you call it. He is fairly well off... he has tried (unsuccessfully) to run for public office in Las Vegas and Nevada... etc... etc... I'm not saying any of this is fact... but I have good second hand information... he used to work for good friends of the family and my father when he worked for Lockheed. My friends (who Lear flew for) say he was a bit "wierd" and that he was disinherited from the Lear estate and company. I don't know this for sure, it's only second hand knowledge. Jeff -- Jeff Marsh - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Marsh@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ea.Richards Subject: Re: MAGNETIC MAPS Date: 8 May 90 02:25:18 GMT Paul, you asked if those magnetic lines only depicted the degrees between true north and magnetic north. Yes, but the more deviation, the more magnetic strength in the area. -- Ea Richards - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ea.Richards@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Ufos Abound Date: 8 May 90 20:11:00 GMT > Sitting over here near the right coast, I feel left out of > a lot of these radio and television programs, and I feel > that they would be of great interest to the members of the > Rochester UFO Study Group. Is anyone making audio and/or > video recordings of these programs, and if so, how can I > arrange to receive copies? George Knapp has promised me a complete copy of the video as soon as the program finishes, which is scheduled to run through Friday. As soon as I get one of my VCRs fixed, I will be able to make a copy and get caught up on others that I have not completed. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Bill Cooper's Downfall Date: 8 May 90 20:14:00 GMT > Holy implants, Batman. You mean to tell me that Lear > admitted that the Krill > stuff was "dreamed up"? I didn't know he had that much to > do with it, I thought it was all John Grace. Not implants, my winged-friend. Horses**t is more of what it appears to be. > Sadly, I doubt this will have much effect on the > Cooperites. He has become a religion unto himself, and > religious figures can do no wrong in their followers' eyes. > They'll find some way to justify his actions. Besides, we > already proved a long time ago that Cooper lies through his > teeth, and no one outside of ParaNet paid much attention. > > How are you receiving the reports in LA, by the way? Have not heard much here yet. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Downfall Date: 8 May 90 20:19:00 GMT > I saw that, and I thought that Lear has said he heard > Cooper talking to > someone else at a UFO conference, and heard him say that he > had made up > Krill, not that he (Lear) himself made it up. I had heard, although through a second hand source, that Lear had pulled Cooper aside and told him that Lear and "another person" had made it up and it was in Cooper's best interest to quit talking as if he had seen the documents during his Navy years. Lear maintains that Cooper heard the Krill stuff at his house one evening. I am getting clarification from George Knapp. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: NUFOC Date: 8 May 90 20:22:00 GMT John Hicks will be attending this weekend's NUFOC conference in Miami, Florida as a ParaNet correspondent. We have arranged an interview with Bruce Maccabee and Ed Walters during the conference. This is your opportunity to ask the questions you want answers to regarding Gulf Breeze, etc. Please put your questions here and John and myself will extract them. The results will be posted about a week after the conference. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: keithr@tolkien.wv.tek.com Subject: UFO chronology project Date: 9 May 90 00:21:31 GMT I am compiling a UFO chronology. I think we need to try to capture events surrounding the UFO in one place so that we can see the scope and importance of the events and possibly also make connections where we wouldn't otherwise. Is anyone else working on a project like this? I am using the Macintosh Hypercard programming system, but any database program or even a word processor would do. Perhaps we can collaborate. I expect to make the chronology available to ParaNet when it gets to some reasonable semblance of completion. My criterion for inclusion is simply that the event be somehow related to the UFO and that it be of national or international importance or potential importance. Pretty broad. (However, this precludes me entering things like finding out that a friend of mine has apparently had "visitor" experiences similar to Whitley Strieber's. Which happened last week.) One of Paris Flammonde's books and Ronald Story's Encyclopedia of UFOs have UFO chronologies. Anyone know of other published UFO chronologies? I would like to concentrate on the 1980s. Examples of things I will include, or have already included, are: Ronald Reagan's alien allusion speeches, Gulf Breeze, publication of Walter's book on Gulf Breeze, the Vallee Confrontations book, the MJ-12 stuff, the UFO Coverup: Live show, the UFO finale at the 1984 Olympics, the Levi-Strauss cotton dockers/EBE commercial, the Lazar stuff, the Cooper/Lear disinformation stuff, the Roswell stuff, the Philip Glass play with UFO theme, movies like The Return, Alien Seed, Communion, etc., the current Gasoline Alley comic strip, the General Hospital alien/human interaction theme, the new TV series Alien Nation, the novels The UFO Conspiracy, Dark Eyes, Genesis, any moderately significant spots on Hard Copy, Unsolved Mysteries, A Current Affair, Inside Edition, PM Magazine, the start up of UFO and UFO Universe magazines, publication of UFO articles in non-UFO magazines, the Tass reported Voronezh sighting and the attendent attention by the national media, the British crop circles, etc., and, of course, ordinary(!) UFO cases having some important or distinctive aspect. As you can see, anything that is clearly UFO or alien contact related and NOT mere science fiction/fastasy I would consider fair game for the UFO chronology. The Yugoslavian Medjugorje Marian events, fortean events not involving a UFO closely associated in time and space (am I showing my biases now?), various other psychic/paranormal happenings, etc., will not go into this UFO chronology. I would greatly appreciate all of you suggesting UFO events that should go into this UFO chronology. Please give as many details as you know. I will be making some effort to check out the facts on all the events I enter. Any event with political, cultural, religious, economic(?), practical, etc., significance involving the UFO is fair game as long as it has national or international significance. 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