Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 220 Friday, May 11th 1990 Today's Topics: (none) Limestone Magnetic Maps I actually pay to read this? Magnetic Grid New ParaNet node Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA Re: Magnetic grid? Magnetic grid? Re: Magnetic grid? Re: Magnetic grid? Re: Magnetic grid? Brian O'Leary & Dr. Ruth Yosemite crash? Re: Paranet Newsletter 213 Roswell UFO chronology project Limestone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: isis!well!ddrasin (Dan Drasin) Subject: (none) Date: 9 May 90 02:32:22 GMT KRILL -+ In a startling revelation, John Lear admitted that he "and another -+ person" had dreamed up the O.H. Krill material and name... Wait a minute. 1) Doesn't the original name "KRLL" or "KRLLL" (which presumably identifies one of the "chief" large-nosed grey aliens) appear in completely unrelated pre-Lear documents? "O.H. Krill," on the other hand, *was* clearly identified as a convenient pseudonym way back when the "Krill Papers" first surfaced. 2) Did Lear provide a *reason* why he participated in this fraud? 3) Does this mean that Lear is recanting *all* his statements about Alien-Government ties, or *only* the "Krill" material? 4) If the latter, doesn't his participation in a fraud (for reasons unstated?) throw his reputation and hence all of his other revelations into doubt? 5) Has anyone considered the fact that one may undermine the credibility of *any* anonymously-written document by first pretending to have authored it, and then "revealing" it as a fraud? 6) Did Lear mean that the *material* was "dreamed up" or that the particular *expression* of that material (the Krill Papers) was dreamed up? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim J. Trull" Subject: Limestone Date: 9 May 90 05:40:55 GMT Recently, Paul Faeder made the comment: " Somehow the poisonous gasses that made up Earth's early history atmosphere were converted into limestone" Well, I'm no geologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I just finished reading an article called "From Planetary Atmospheres to Microbial Communities: A Stroll Through Space and Time" by L. Margulis and R. Guerrero that just happened to mention: "Bacterial communities removed CO2 from the atmosphere, precipitating, layer by layer, columns of rock (i.e. limestone mountains)...Such continual precipitation of CO2 over millions of years has virtually changed the entire planet Earth. Later limestone deposits were produced by shells of animals and algae, but early limestone deposits were made by bacteria." Now, the thesis of this article is that humanity is a relatively short-term, insignificant "weed" on this planet while bacteria, having existed millions and millions of years longer, are the real modifiers of the planet. Don't know what this has to do with UFO interest in limestone quarries, but I hope it answered your question, Paul! BTW, I thought the answer was 42, too!! Where's "Deep Thought" when y'a need 'im! K.J. Trull -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim J. Trull" Subject: Magnetic Maps Date: 9 May 90 05:41:35 GMT Have you tried contacting a NASA PAO office? For some reason, I thought there was a project to map the Earth's magnetic fields via satellite...now that I think of it, I'll ask my prof - a remote sensing expert. K.J. Trull -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David L Jarvis Subject: I actually pay to read this? Date: 9 May 90 13:16:29 GMT To Don Allen and Ea Richards: This is just my 2 cents here guys ... but ... can I remind you both that some ppl, like me for example (and I doubt I'm alone in my views) resent having my time and money wasted by you posting your flames to the list ... I've reread the entire digests three times, and I found very little useful information in your 'debate' (restraining myself a bit there) ... PLEASE, I beg you, unless you have some _real_ information to offer, or even some opinions that are relevant, DON'T WASTE MY TIME AND MONEY! More bluntly I'd like to ask, do you _really_ think THAT much of yourself as to assume that others really want to hear your opinions(/flaming)??? Guess what ... I don't ... Respectfully, /david l jarvis #include "I represent only myselves" #include "/usr/msgs/something_really_neat" FLAMES >> /dev/null <--- !!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Magnetic Grid Date: 8 May 90 23:11:49 GMT To: Gene Gross >The Earth creates a tremendous magnetic field--in fact as I recall my >readings, the Earth's magnetic field is extremely intense for a planet >this size (on the order of .5 gauss). I thought that there was a relationship between the mass of a planet and the strength of it's magnetic field. If this is correct, do you know of any reasons for the "intense" magnetic field of the Earth? -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: New ParaNet node Date: 8 May 90 23:15:00 GMT This is to welcome a new member to the ParaNet family. Ted Bulmanski ParaNet TAU-BETA(sm) Memphis, Tennessee 901-396-7300 2400 Baud Ted, please take a moment and introduce yourself to the group. On behalf of ParaNet, WELCOME! Michael Corbin Administrator -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA Date: 8 May 90 15:03:00 GMT Is EA Richards a pseudonym for TS Bennett?? Not suprisely your attack on Woodward devolved into the tired old conservative/Republican whine about how "Luckily, for a Democratic Crook, Lyndon Johnson, that the democrats were in power while he and Bobby Baker were accomplishing their nefarious schemes to make money." Aparently, you subscribe to the idea that if one side does morally and legally wrong things that makes it right for the other side to do the same. If the best you can come up with to "discredit" WOodwards book (and it is an excellent book) is the dispute over the Casey interview you are really grasping at straws. What would you expect Caseys widow to say about such a claim regardless of the actual facts? Whether it was true or not she would be expected to deny that He did or would ever say such things, her statements are hardly suprising or particularly meaningful considering her relationship with the deceased. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: UFO'S AND THE CIA Date: 8 May 90 16:32:00 GMT Jim: While I agree with your point of view, I've gotta slap your hand a little on comparing EA with TS. Considering TS's present standing as persona non grata on ParaNet, and considering his obviously demented state of mind, that could be construed as an _ad hominem_ against Ea who is expressing a legitimate and widely-held, if unsupported ;-) point of view. Plus the fact that we're getting off topic. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Magnetic grid? Date: 8 May 90 19:22:00 GMT Clark, how about describing the anti-grav party trick. I don't believe I've come across it at the many wild parties I go to. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Magnetic grid? Date: 9 May 90 02:36:00 GMT > In the case of the Earth, it would actually be more like a hollow > sphere which would dip toward the surface at the poles. I finally remembered the word I was looking for: TOROIDAL. That describes the shape of the magnetic field. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Magnetic grid? Date: 9 May 90 03:28:00 GMT ->Clark, how about describing the anti-grav party trick. Shucks, Jim ... and I thought parties were always wilder out west! Well, now that I think about it, the WILDEST party I was ever at was here in N.J. -- with Emily Nicklin's Connecticut Weekends running a close second... But ANYWAY ... you will require a total of five people to negate gravity. One of these people will be the "negator" -- in other words, they will become weightless. This individual should not be squeamish or high-strung. You'll also need a chair, ideally one without arms. [I've seen this done with both the CHAIR and the person levitated, but let's be safe.} The "negator" sits in the chair quietly. The four other people stand around the chair at 90-degree intervals, positioned so that they can put a hand under the "negator's" knees & armpits. Got that? The person in the chair must sit with his/her legs together with arms at his/her sides. Then the other four people stack their hands (alternating hands) on top of the "negator's" head. Stay that way for a minute or two and let your mind go as blank as you can. Then the four people around the chair pull their hands away, make fists, and put their fists side-by-side with the forefinger of each hand extended parallel to one another and touching. [Yes I'm aware this isn't clear but it's hard to describe & I'm calling long-distance]. So you now have four folks, each of whom has the forefinger of each hand extended and their fists side-by-side [All four don't have their fists side-by-side -- just each individual does]. This changeover from "stacked hands" to "extended fingers" should be accomplished as quickly as possible. IMMEDIATELY the four people should stick their parallel, extended fingers under the "negator's" knees & armpits and lift. In many cases, the person in the chair will rise WEIGHTLESS in the air on top of FOUR SETS OF FINGERS. I've heard this explained as a "Human Quadripole Gravity Antenna". And this is the method ostensibly used by the Egyptians to build their pyramids [except I don't believe this]. Jim, I'll send you photocopies of the "how to" lesson if you like. Leave an address in email. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Magnetic grid? Date: 9 May 90 04:08:00 GMT Clark: One question: Do you think you can raise about 20 pounds with one forefinger? A 150 lb. person, divided by 8 forefingers, is about 18 lbs. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Magnetic grid? Date: 9 May 90 04:19:00 GMT The part about making my mind go blank I can handle!! You can send the instuctions to me at POB 24662, Tempe, Az 85285-4662. >From what you discribed it sounds like they are just lifting the person with their fingers. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Brian O'Leary & Dr. Ruth Date: 9 May 90 00:42:00 GMT Gene: Caught your message on channel hoping, and the Dr. Ruth show with Budd Hopkins and Brian O'Leary. To answer your first question, O'Leary's book is "Exploring Inner and Outer Space" and is out from North Atlantic Books. I reviewed this "New Science" offering by O'Leary in UFO Magazine in Vol. 5 No. 2, and O'Leary sent a somewhat angry note to the Editor in Vol. 5 No. 3. FYI I submit both messages, and you will get an idea of what I thought of his book, and what O'Leary see's in lieu of reality. UFO MAGAZINE VOL. 5 NUMBER 2, BOOK REVIEW BY DON ECKER ON BRIAN O'LEARY'S "EXPLORING INNER AND OUTER SPACE" "A new offering by Brian O'Leary, Exploring Inner and Outer Space, is categorized by the publisher on the book jacket as "new science." O'Leary, who received a doctorate in astronomy and completed NASA's astronaut program in the '60's, is no stranger to science. He trained for one of the first missions headed for the Martian landscape, but as he relates in the forward, the Viet Nam war plus budget cuts forced the space program to cut back, and O'Leary never took flight with the select few who escaped earth into the great beyond. After receiving his doctorate in 1967, he took an assistant professor's appointment at Cornell University, at the invitation of Carl Sagan. His credits include being involved in NASA teams that were exploring the solar system via unmanned craft. Just the sort of scientist the establishment was looking for. Well, not really. Much like the "hippie" generation of the '60's, O'Leary became disillusioned with the establishment, and over a period of time went looking to discover his inner self. This book details, somewhat superficially, the entire spectrum of the "New Age" experience. O'Leary recounts a slightly weird but inconclusive overnight experience at Whitley Strieber's cottage in upstate New York, but altogether the subject of UFOs is only given one chapter, and that in no great detail. The cursory approach, however, is found with most of the subjects O'Leary covers. He moves from his awakening, to his inner self, to experimention with ketamine-Vitamin K- to the Mars Anomalies Research Society, to the paranormal, the Lear papers, and then a brief sojourn into out-of-body experiences. On to homeopathic medicine, channeling, past life regression, etc. and etc. Now any of these subjects would rate a book or two, but his (counting chapter-by- chapter bibliographies) numbers only 177 pages? By default, that's entirely too shallow for even one subject, not to mention over a dozen. O'Leary tries to cover too many subjects and please too many people in Exploring Inner and Outer Space, and unfortunately, it shows. Perhaps he should tackle one thing at a time, give it some depth, and then go for the gusto. If your bent is New Age (not new science) you just MAY like it, but if you are looking for UFO information, the book will leave you wanting."--Don Ecker BRIAN O'LEARY'S ANSWER UFO MAGAZINE VOL. 5 NUMBER 3 LETTERS TO THE EDITOR. "Editor: Your favorable review of my book, Mars 1999 (UFO, Vol. 3, No. 5, 1988) and unfavorable review of my new book, Exploring Inner and Outer Space (UFO, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1990) are symbolic of the troubles of our time regarding progress in UFO research. The Mars book is a realistic scenario of an international mission, acceptable to our linear minds. The new book is far more profound and apt to be misunderstood by reviewers such as Don Ecker, who seems to view UFO research as a fact-finding mission. I feel that many outspoken ufologists, in their zeal to gather facts and outguess the government and one another, fail to see the forest for the trees. We have tens of thousands of UFO reports on file, yet we still do not understand what is going on. A new scientific paradigm is emerging, of which UFOs are an integral part. The growing framework demands that we look at our own experience as well as experiments in mind-over-matter, healing, and the new physics to lead us to embracing a multi-dimensional view of reality. These experiments described in my book reveal far more than the New Age shallowness Ecker reports. Ecker's paradigm seems similar to that of many empirical scientists, involving a futile attempt to understand the UFO phenomenon from our provincial Western perspective of reality. . . . we need to expand our experience to embrace a greater essence." Brian O'Leary Scottsdale, AZ Well Gene, if I still have to give my impression of his book, save the bucks. O'Leary is still too much New Age Pie in the Sky for me. If indeed aliens are among us, then I guess that they are here for another purpose than presenting us with a gift like "How to Serve Man". (sorry, couldn't help that--Grin) If the idea of UFO research IS NOT A FACT FINDING MISSION, then I wish someone like Brad Steiger, Frank Stranges, Fred Bell, or Virgil Armstrong would PLEASE explain what is really going on. Oh, one more thing, if you are not sure who the above guys are, then boy, are you in for a real treat! ( DON walking off with a cryptic grin on face......... ) -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asuvax!mcdphx!xroads!gmz@ncar.UCAR.EDU (Gerry Zeitlin) Subject: Yosemite crash? Date: 10 May 90 01:19:10 GMT I've just heard a report of a possible UFO crash that occurred in Yosemite within the past few days. A group of people in the area witnessed a "red sphere" descend to the earth, the actual point of contact being out of sight from their position, and were subsequently herded out of the area by government or military personnel, who proceeded to close the area. When I say "area" I actually don't know whether it was in the park proper; the town of Mariposa was mentioned. I haven't had a chance to check the news media; possibly all of you have heard all about this by now. I do understand that the official information on the incident is that a domestic aircraft went down. =gerry zeitlin= -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Betz Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 213 Date: 10 May 90 10:09:56 GMT | From: paranet!mcorbin | Subject: UFOs Abound | Date: 4 May 90 17:39:00 GMT | | Are we on the event horizon of a startling revelation about the | reality of UFOs from an official standpoint? | | George Knapp has been broadcasting his sequel to the November | "UFOs: The Best Evidence,". | [...] Knapp comments that perhaps we | are approaching a "planned release" of information to be | forthcoming from our government. | | Today, Inside Reporter, a documentary news-type program will air | a UFO special addressing just the sort of issue concerning the | alleged "planned release" of information from the government. | | All the while KNBC-TV in Los Angeles has been running a UFO | special on Roswell nightly during the news. | | Is this simply the result of May's Sweeps Ratings or is there a | more serious explanation as to why all of a sudden the media is | giving this subject serious attention? All I can tell you is that, except for the low-quality segments on the various network and syndicated shows ("Inside Edition", etc, all of which have been commented upon here) we on the East Coast are getting ZIP! in the way of serious discussion of UFOs. I really envy you folks in Vegas and points west... I drool at all this talk of TV and radio talk show coverage. Nobody in the Big Apple media even suggests taking these topics seriously. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cyrill@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Cyro Lord) Subject: Roswell Date: 10 May 90 17:30:47 GMT Channel 4 here in Denver has been having a report this week about the Roswell NM UFO incident back in the 40's. It now seem they have some proof that the Gov did a huge cover up including telling a local radio station that if they aired the report/interviews they had, the stations license would be pulled within 245 hrs. Some one down NM way should look up this person (the owner/former owner (?) of the station) and get all the information they can from as he also said (I believe, as this came from my wife) the the Major (USAF) that did the work at the site of the crash, told the reporter to remember all this as the Gov would try to make all the information disappear. Having been in the USAF just after this time, I can say this strikes me as true as I personally know of two other UFO sightings that were covered up by the USAF/Gov, one that was filmed by gun cameras on a B36 bomber and another that was seem by a cast of thousands. -Cyro <---------------------------++++++++++++++++++-----------------------------> Cyro Lord Alpha Comm. Dev. Corp. - DOMAIN cyrill@scicom.alphacdc.com UUCP {ncar,nbires,boulder,isis}!scicom!cyrill Endeavor to Persevere - Chief Dan George -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: UFO chronology project Date: 10 May 90 05:15:24 GMT To:rutgers!ncar.UCAR.EDU!tolkien.wv.tek.com!tektronix.tek.com.keithr@scicom >things like finding out that a friend of mine has apparently had >"visitor" >experiences similar to Whitley Strieber's. Which happened last week.) Are you going to tell us more or leave us hanging ala Perils of Pauline :-) >I would greatly appreciate all of you suggesting UFO events that should >go into this UFO chronology. The only thing I can think of that I consider an "event" of the '80's is the Hudson Valley (NY) UFO. There's a book out on it called "Night Seige" written by Phil Imbrogno, Dr. Hynek and (I think) Bob Pratt. Unfortunately my copy is out on loan so I can't give you the ISBN number. The Hudson Valley UFO was sighted by thousands of people from all walks of life over a period of several years. Good luck with your project! -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: Limestone Date: 10 May 90 05:30:54 GMT To: cl.uh.edu!TRULL@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM >From: "Kim J. Trull" > >Well, I'm no geologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I just >finished reading an article called "From Planetary Atmospheres to >Microbial Communities: A Stroll Through Space and Time" by L. >Margulis and R. Guerrero that just happened to mention: Thanks Kim. Glad that you just happened to be reading that when my message got through to you. >Now, the thesis of this article is that humanity is a relatively >short-term, insignificant "weed" on this planet while bacteria, >having existed millions and millions of years longer, are the >real modifiers of the planet. Oh Yea! Where's my can of Lysol? I'll show 'em! >Don't know what this has to do with UFO interest in limestone >quarries, but I hope it answered your question, Paul! Yes it did clear that up. The original conversation started when I was looking for a connection between UFO's and something else. Someone had mentioned limestone caverns as a place where UFO's seem to "hang out". In the current issue of UFO magazine there is an article about a possible(?) connection between UFO's and nuclear reactors, missile bases and nuclear waste facilities. UFO's in these areas are cause for concern (to say the least), but if there is a connection between UFO's and anything, *I* haven't found it. >BTW, I thought the answer was 42, too!! Where's "Deep Thought" >when y'a need 'im! Well I just hope we figure it all out before the Vogon's get here! -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************