Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 225 Friday, May 18th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Woodward and the Company Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Re: Your address from DDN Re: (none) (none) Re: Magnetism Review Of Lazar Revelations Lazar Part 2 Lazar Part 3 Lazar Part 4 Element Creation Element Creation, Part 2 Electric Hybrid Cars ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Re: Woodward and the Company Date: 16 May 90 02:54:00 GMT GG>I see this is coming from Orlando. I'll be down there at the end of this GG>month for a visit, and a well deserved vacation. Post your phone number, GG>maybe we can get together for some coffee or something. My wife and I are GG>going to be staying with my mother-in-law and visiting friends in the area. Hey great! Be glad to see you..I live up in Sanford,which is about 30 or so miles north of Orlando and can be reached via I-4. Phone # is 407-323-5240 and I'm home after 4 (usually). I'll check back here as my local feed (Gallifrey) is experiencing technical difficulties (Ken's outa town and the board ain't responding). Don Allen -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Date: 16 May 90 05:13:00 GMT ARticle in todays paper about the LACK of a "boom" in the immediate vicinity of Mt St Helens when it had its explosive eruption. People within about 15 miles of it, even those who could see the top of the mountain blowing off, did not hear a thing yet people many many miles away heard all sorts of racket. Some hear one loud boom and others heard numerous repeated booms. Theory is that different temperature layers of air caused noise refraction. Might be a similar effect causing the mysterious air booms that were being discussed on this echo. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Your address from DDN Date: 16 May 90 05:32:00 GMT I think you are confusing liscensed radio and tv stations with these BBS's. There is no requirement that any and all be allowed access to a BBS. It is only as public as the SYSOP wishes to allow. In addition, it is quite likely that it IS a federal violation of the law for anyone to knowingly violate any of the Sysops policies. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: (none) Date: 16 May 90 05:39:00 GMT If you find that Mier case all that compelling, then by all means knock your socks off looking into it. I've seen enough to not feel the need to waste anymore time on it. As far as there being "five books and two more on the way..." so what? There are hundreds of astrology books and hundreds more on the way. That doesn't change the fact that astrology has failed each and every controlled study of its ability to do what it claims to be able to do. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: (none) Date: 16 May 90 06:04:00 GMT Re: Meier: Ok, I'll concede this and this only: If someone has the immense amount of time and patience it would take to investigate the Meier case up one side and down the other, and are not dissuaded by the probability of coming up empty-handed (read: no important new discoveries), then by all means they should do so. I don't have the time, and furthermore I don't know too many people in this hectic day and age that do. I do congratulate you, however, on your patience and open-mindedness. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Magnetism Date: 16 May 90 06:08:00 GMT You've seen some incredible stuff, Gene, you lucky dog. I've never witnessed anything, except I have taken part in that party trick at camp a couple of times. Let's see, 285 lbs divided by 8 fingers is 35 and 5/8 lbs per finger...I guess that is a bit much.... -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Review Of Lazar Revelations Date: 16 May 90 20:28:00 GMT * Forwarded from "UFO National Echo - Backbone Echo" * Originally from Lynn Parham * Originally dated 14 May 90 21:07:02 THE LAZAR REVELATION, AN EVALUATION By Lynn Parham In the course of discussions on the UFO echo, I was told about the "LASAR Revelations". One of my contacts offered to send, to a PARANET close by, the text of a series of TV appearances by Robert Lazar on KLAS-TV in Nov./Dec. 1989. I downloaded these files and have the following comments. * * * * * * * * I will have to admit that the "LAZAR" story turned out to be much more professional than I thought it would. This guy obviously has some background in physics, although there were some serious telltale discrepancies. His reports are not as easy to prove wrong as most of the UFO revelations that I have seen in the past. Most of those were so bad in the science part as to be laughable. The material appears, at first glance, to be very believable. In fact, I really want to believe him. Its very exciting. And I want to believe that there is a way for mankind to go to the stars, and to know all the secrets of the universe. Neglecting the sinister part of his story (cover-ups, etc) it is almost a wondrous, exciting dream come true. Unfortunately, something in me will not let me believe him without more proof. I have been through all this before. At one time I was a strong believer in UFOs as alien spacecraft. All those wondrous stories of alien presences, hardware, contacts, etc. have been with us for a long time. I waited with anticipation for the thing to break wide open and I would know it all. Weeks became months, then years, then decades. I'm still waiting. Sometimes, little things surface to tweak my interest, but nothing definite, provable, unequivocal ever does. I have had similar experiences, though not as strong, with psychic phenomena, lost continents, money making schemes, health schemes, etc. All these schemes have a couple of things in common. They sound so wonderful and so reasonable. And they NEVER, EVER turn out to be of any benefit whatsoever, at least to me. -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Lazar Part 2 Date: 16 May 90 20:28:00 GMT * Forwarded from "UFO National Echo - Backbone Echo" * Originally from Lynn Parham * Originally dated 14 May 90 21:09:02 You might ask, "Why be so skeptical?". On any controversial subject, the best way to get at the truth is to try to convince an intelligent, knowledgeable, open minded skeptic. (I do not pretend to fit that model but I do use it as a goal) He will find your inconsistences, your lapses. If your theory is the truth, potentially you can plug all the loopholes and eventually convince the skeptic of the truth of your position. A previous skeptic converted to a believer is the best kind to have. If your theory is not the truth, you will normally not be able to do that. A believer, on the other hand, tends to overlook minor inconsistences since he already knows what it is the truth. This doesn't apply to skeptic who does not have an open mind and who cannot accept proofs and answers. He, like the true blue believer, already has his mind made up and nothing will change it. Much of what Mr. Lazar says cannot be proven or checked out without further collaborating evidence. I will try to evaluate as many of his science revelations as I can. You should realize that my knowledge is not extensive in some of these areas and I can very easily be wrong. I do have a scientific background (Chemist) supplemented by self-training in other scientific areas. (Translation-I read a lot of scientific books & magazines) A. "Gravity Wave Guide" There is nothing known, theorized, or allowable in our science that will channel gravity. If it can channel gravity, then it should also shield against or block gravity. The material of this waveguide would be as wondrous and miraculous as element 115 ever was. It is an interesting, but otherwise unlikely, concept. B. "...7000 MPH Saucers" Wouldn't this velocity heat and ionize the air, create a huge, destructive sonic boom and create a visible trail of superheated, ionized air trail miles long? Note that this is not the "instantly there" gravity bending time and space propulsion technology. This velocity was supposedly measured by radar. C. "..antimatter reactor allows the spaceships to produce their own gravity fields" This technology is beyond understanding for us. We have absolutely no control over gravity except through the obvious one of manipulating massive objects. We can't generate it, direct it, stop it, mediate it, or amplify it. This is equivalent to talking about ghosts or magic. I don't really think they exist, but I'm not 100% sure. In any case, wondrous capabilities which are just out of reach of our science makes me very suspicious. -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Lazar Part 3 Date: 16 May 90 20:29:00 GMT * Forwarded from "UFO National Echo - Backbone Echo" * Originally from Lynn Parham * Originally dated 14 May 90 21:11:02 D. "Gravity distorts time & space" Yes it does. Gravity bends space and slows down time. Black holes bends space completely around it. Kind of like an infinitely deep well (gravity well). Time in a black hole apparently stops. The use of gravity to fold space and manipulate it so you can travel to distant areas sounds plausible. But, it is not a reasonable extension of known science. Just another wondrous, magical capability of the alien technology that's out of reach for us. As far as the scientific community not buying it, of course not. They deal in facts and there is no present way that this can be established as facts. Do you want your tax dollars being spent chasing dreams. (Sometimes they do) If so, who gets to determine the dream to chase. Senator Joe Blow may want to study the energy content of thoughts of the African tape worm. E. "Element 115...has to come from a place where super heavy elements could be produced naturally." There are only three know places for producing elements naturally. These are (1) The Big Bang, (2) Center of Stars(up to Iron) and (3) Supernova (Heavy elements). The reference to binary stars being a place for element 115 production doesn't make sense. Binary stars have no "heavy element" production capability greater than any other star of similar size. Besides, heavy elements greater than Iron must be synthesized in "Supernova" explosions. Being in the vicinity of a supernova doesn't count. This casts a little doubt, in my mind, about Mr. Lazar's claim to being a Physicist. Once created, lab or supernova, a stable element does not depend on heaviness (weight) to exist. Note that Lazar says we have some here on earth. Mr. Lazar says that the element is stable, but then says that it is kept in lead lined chambers. This would only be required if it was radioactive and not 100% stable. But if it is radioactive, it must not be greatly so since (from another source) I learn that he stole a small amount of it and brought it home. If it was no less stable than Uranium (which is slightly radioactive), then the supernova(s) which created the heavy elements of the earth itself would have produced significant quantities of element 115 which would not have completely decayed. Significant stores of Uranium are still with us. We have not found a trace of element 115. Incidentally, gravity plays no direct roll in producing heavy elements. Gravity is very weak and is insignificant in the nucleus of atoms. The strong and weak nuclear forces control atomic nuclei. Gravity does have a secondary roll in producing the conditions that create elements. That is, heat & pressure in the center of stars. -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Lazar Part 4 Date: 16 May 90 20:29:00 GMT * Forwarded from "UFO National Echo - Backbone Echo" * Originally from Lynn Parham * Originally dated 14 May 90 21:14:02 F. "By bombarding element 115 with protons, antimatter is produced" Potentially the most damaging of the scientific revelations. Antimatter is never made by changing matter into antimatter. Nature apparently does not work that way. Good thing too since if it did, this universe would be a universe of energy only. Antimatter must be created out of the energy of collisions between particles. To create large amounts of antimatter requires large amounts of energy, probably more than the energy you get back when you react it with ordinary matter. Really no net gain. In other words, the energy of producing antimatter from element 115 must come from the energy of the proton bombardment. Now, where do you get the energy to produce the high velocity protons. I say high velocity because the energy would have to come from the kinetic energy of the protons. Once again Lazar seems to have fallen down in his physics. In summary, it seems that Mr. Lazar proposes a number of highly improbable scientific principles and a few that present science say are simply wrong. On the other hand, some of the science is plausible, requiring some knowledge of physics. I really don't know what to make of all this. It is very intriguing and very mysterious. I cannot say that it is all hogwash although it may be. Neither can I say that it has the ring of truth. There are too many inconsistences. Until and unless further revelations and evidence is forthcoming, this must remain (along with ghosts, ESP, psychic phenomena, etc) an intriguing, indecipherable puzzle. Finally, I am not an expert on "Private Detective" work. Therefore, I do not wish to get deeply involved in the controversal question of whether Lazar or other "revealers" are who they say they are or are ,misinformers, kooks, etc. I will leave that to others who know more about such things. My only contribution is to evaluate, scientifically, some of the scientific claims they propose. See my next messages on "Creation" for some more background information on element creation. -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Element Creation Date: 16 May 90 20:29:00 GMT * Forwarded from "UFO National Echo - Backbone Echo" * Originally from Lynn Parham * Originally dated 14 May 90 21:15:02 SOME BASIC PHYSICS ON ELEMENT CREATION (With a view toward the Robert Lazar UFO Revelations) The Big Bang apparently created only three elements. They were Hydrogen, Helium and maybe Lithium, and probably some isotopes of these three like Deuterium, an isotope of Hydrogen. Present theory is that the "explosion" which also created time and space was too rapid to create more heavier elements. Those theories explain very well the observed abundances of Hydrogen & Helium in the universe today. When stars finally formed, the second phase of element creation was started. The heat and pressure at the core of stars produces higher and higher elements. The energy that the stars emit, (heat, light, radiation) comes mainly from this elemental fusion reaction at the core. Iron is the end however. Because the creation of elements higher than Iron requires energy input rather than produce energy output, no significant higher elements are created. The final phase of element creation occurs in a supernova. The energy concentration is so great that during the explosion, all the naturally occurring heavy elements above Iron are created. This includes the radioactive elements, and almost certainly higher elements not found naturally on earth. The reason they are not found on earth is that they have disappeared through radioactive decay over the 5 billion years the earth has existed. -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Element Creation, Part 2 Date: 16 May 90 20:29:00 GMT * Forwarded from "UFO National Echo - Backbone Echo" * Originally from Lynn Parham * Originally dated 14 May 90 21:18:02 As for element 115, it remains a real puzzle. If it can be created naturally, then a supernova explosion would almost certainly have created it since they are likely the most energetic entities in the universe. If if couldn't, then I seriously doubt that technology, advanced or otherwise, could create it. Since the earth is a product of star core synthesis as well as supernova synthesis, and we find no trace of element 115 here, we must form one of the following two conclusions. A. Element 115 cannot be created in supernova explosions which means that it likely does not occur naturally anywhere in the universe. B. Element 115 is much more radioactive than Uranium and has disappeared over the 5 billion year history of the earth. Conclusion "B" does not necessarily eliminate the use of element 115 in UFO propulsion. (I am trying to give the "Revealers" all the slack I can.) Recent "Revelations" indicated that element 115 is stable inferring that it is not radioactive and that it occurs naturally in heavy star systems. To a physicist, heavy element stability usually means that it doesn't radioactively decay in minute fractions of a second. So, it could be relatively stable, but still radioactive, enough so that it does not occur naturally on earth. The only place that element 115 would occur would be in the debris of a recent supernova. Recent could mean hours or millions of years, depending on the stability of the element. Heavy star systems, or binary stars have no properties that I am aware of that would make them more likely to contain element 115. Also, there are no known natural processes occurring in these systems that could produce element 115. After the element is created (naturally in a supernova, or unnaturally in a lab), "ordinary" weight, heat, and pressure (or lack thereof) would have absolutely no effect on the element. I INTEND TO LEAVE THESE MESSAGES IN FILES "LAZAR.REV" AND "CREATION.DOC" IN THE PARANET ECHO. -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Betz Subject: Electric Hybrid Cars Date: 17 May 90 05:16:32 GMT | From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton | Subject: Re: Water Engines... for real! | | I certainly like to hear more about the hyrogen engine. Even if the | tank only held enough water for a 75 mile trip, that's a heck of alot | better then a battery powered car. We're getting a bit out of the Paranet realm, here, but you've hit on one of my pet peeves here. [SOAPBOX MODE ON] People generally tend to dismiss battery-powered transport for all the reasons you cite, particularly: | With batteries you have to wait hours and hours to "refill". Plus, you | have to generate that electricity which means more polution whereas | the water breaks down into a fairly clean material. If you look at a conventional Internal Combustion-powered vehicle, most of the time (particularly at cruise) it is using about 5% of the power of the engine to maintain its speed. The only time the engine is really called upon to do real work is during acceleration. Also, when you hit the brakes, you throw away a great deal of energy that the big engine used to get you up to speed. With an electric vehicle, (like GM's new Impact, which they recently announced that they are planning to mass-produce) you can easily recover 80% of the energy you use by running generators off the brakes, and recharging the batteries. Furthermore, adding a 5 HP Gasoline/Methane/Propane (my dad always had a propane-powered company car, sparkplugs and oil lasted forever on it, and its exhaust is pretty much CO2 and water) engine would keep such a vehicle's batteries, at highway cruise, recharged as long as you could keep fuel in it, while running at a constant optimal speed for minimal emissions and maximum fuel efficiency. The batteries would serve to provide the power reserve for acceleration (which for the Impact is something like 6 seconds from 0 to 60!) and the small engine would sustain cruise, and lengthen the vehicle's stop 'n go range. Properly designed, with 10 HP for recharging instead of 5, and an electronic controller starting and stopping the recharger as needed, it could even run all day in stop 'n go traffic with a fiftieth of the pollution of the conventional commuter car. Also, when you think of power generation as a pollution-producing process, remember that it is always easier and cheaper to control pollution at stationary point sources than on moving platforms like automobiles, as on stationary platforms, weight is not a consideration. Modern microprocessor control methods would make such a vehicle pretty easy to build. Only habit keeps Detroit from innovation. I wish more people (and politicians) would become aware of the technology we have at our disposal >now< that would permit us to greatly reduce urban pollution, reduce the consumption of non-renewable fuels, and make our streets quieter and more pleasant places to be, while not restricting our freedom of movement any less than that offered by our existing fleet of vehicles. We need to encourage the development of such vehicles as soon as possible. Things like reduced tolls for electric/hybrid vehicles -- the NY PATH is raising tolls on NYC bridges to $6 soon; a $1 toll for less-polluting and lighter automobiles would offer a strong inducement for folks to buy such cars, as would a reduction in the registration rates states charged, and the elimination or reduction in other road use taxes on fuel and power -- would go a long way toward improving our environment and conserving our resources. [SOAPBOX MODE OFF] Sorry to take up your time on a tangent, but I just wanted to make a point that we don't need to resort to such exotic technologies as the Water Engine to take care of our urgent business. 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