Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 226 Sunday, May 20th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: (none) Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS T.S. vs ParaNet (none) Your address from DDN Taking time off (To Jim Speiser) Where I've Been... New Affiliate Yosemite Crash? RE: Paranet Newsletter 223 Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS Taking Time Off Public Service Announcement Re: Woodward and the Company Re: Anti-grav party tricks Re: Magnetism Re: Where'd we come from Re: Woodward and the Company Mr Ed GB and conf Re: Biblical Accounts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky Subject: Re: (none) Date: 16 May 90 22:09:53 GMT p> Why not? Because it can't exist because mainstream physics has not p> built devices to measure it because it can't exist because mainstream p> physics has not built devices to measure it. That's why. hmmm.. that makes a whole lotta sense to me! Is that some sort of government logic? That means anything we don't know exists can't exist, being as since we don't know it exists we don't know how to measure it. I wonder how far we'd be if scientists durring the Age of Reason used that kind of logic... -- Daniel Wisnosky - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Daniel.Wisnosky@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Greg.Clawson Subject: Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS Date: 14 May 90 21:50:36 GMT Yes, thats only part of it Pete. I think alot of people have dismissed the Biblical accounts of "life". There are strange UFO's and strange happenings in the world, however, the Bible says in time all things will be known what was hidden. And even knowledge will pass away! I am a person that takes on "faith". And that faith is from Biblical Accounts. I don't think Jonah was swallowed by a UFO. But a real whale! I think people of the past are *NOT* as stupid as people make them out to be today. If Ezekial can see the 'mechanical' wonders and express them.. Who are these people that say Jonah came out of a UFO! Now, on faith, someday I will wake with the likeness of my maker. Who is the 'extra terrestrial' of E.T.'s! Just be carefull that *you* out there dismiss the Bible from UFO activities. These could be angels preparing the destruction of mankind! Because they rejected the Biblical Accounts of the Prophets. And of Jesus. I believe (and take this on faith) that the world is in jepordy. The Bible says that the Earth was almost destroyed with a curse. But Jesus halted this. Read the last account of the Bible in 'Malachi 4:6'. And now if you reject this message too, I believe you rejected the truth and didnt look into this. This is just a warning though, to be carefull. Look what happened to the Jew's! 2000 years almost and just now they are getting it together! While for generations they didnt loose there stability with God. (Not that it didnt occur I am just pointing to the rejection here, after Christ, where they were expelled for there deeds). I know this is a bit off tract so I'll end this here. But don't deny that Angelic contacts are not UFO activity! *They Are* I've seen strange occurances which have lead me to search out the UFO experience. Which lead me to the Bible and then I found Jesus and was reborn in spirit, or regenerated with extreem 'fire' that I felt all around me. You can't say it didn't happen or dismiss this account of activity from the God of Heaven. Who came and released my mind from evil spirits that had me mind binded. It was only then that I realized that I had to be carefull in this UFO thing. And that I could really think for myself or I knew my own thoughts. I didnt know I was in bondage when this happened. And so take extreem cautions now about what I see and hear and experience. I don't want to make monuments to myself on this, but, just to let you know that God is not far away physically. Morally yes. And if I had to ask him to reveal himself to me, so do you. But ask him humbly and tell him you want to know the truth. He'll give it to you. I am sorry if this is not UFO's or abductions but I think this contact from God thru the name Jesus is a Unexplained activity. It's my testimony on UFO's and unexplained phenonima (sp). And I should also say since that time, I have never been the same. (humbly and meekly entreated).. - Greg -- Greg Clawson - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Greg.Clawson@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Burke Subject: T.S. vs ParaNet Date: 17 May 90 00:49:34 GMT Dave: Of overriding concern here (re: expulsion of T.S. from ParaNet) is the number of defamatory statements he has posted on these echos. These include not only the statements about Bill English, but statements about Tracy Torme and a host of others not to mention Mike, Jim & Don, whom he continues to defame on the FidoNet echo. Therefore TS would get nowhere by running to the FCC and , in fact, might find himself in more troublethan he would care to bother with. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: (none) Date: 17 May 90 06:40:00 GMT Dan; You most certainly misunderstand! > -+ Don Ecker vs. Brian O'Leary First and formost, there is NO Ecker vs. O'Leary....... > oriented (Tesla and Einstein come to mind) will *never* be > resolved by > name-calling. They will be resolved by people getting to I reviewed Brians book, there was No name calling I am aware of.... I felt then as I do now that first, Brians book was not and is not UFOlogically oriented. Next, being a retired policeman, I relate to facts, and Brian is coming from a different perspective, I said different, NOT WRONG. However, I felt then and feel now that this book has no place in UFO research, and without trying to sound too pugnacious, it was my review and what I found. > O'Leary's book may indeed have its weaknesses but it puts > forth a > great deal of provocative information and candid personal > experience > that can't just be swept under the rug because it seems too > unbelievable, or hasn't yet been developed to the point of > being > "utilitarian," or smacks "new age" thought (whatever *that* Yes, I grant the above, however I still maintain his work has NOTHING to do with UFOlogy. New age thought is fine, but in factual research, I feel the book is lacking. > community as much as it does elsewhere. If we can't listen > to each > other and try to appreciate other worldviews (which is, > after all one > of the central challenges of ufology), our task is doomed > to failure. I have no argument with your last part of the message, but I was asked to give my impression of his book in relation to furthering the task of exploring the enigma. In that context, this book, in my opinion, did not fill the bill. Don Ecker -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Your address from DDN Date: 17 May 90 06:46:00 GMT > Why is TS Bennett persona non grata? Has he done > something > that is criminal in nature? After talking with him on the > phone > I'll agree that he appears to a total wack'o ..... but then > most > of the people that get involved in this and other > conferences on > UFOs are generally wack'o. I'll bet if Lazar wanted to be > in your > conference you'd let him tell his wack'o > stories.....besides TS > can be somewhat entertaining he is so far of the deep end! The reason that Mr. Bennett was explused is simple, besides being "wacko" as you so nicely described it, he engaged in numerous and slanderous ad hominem attacks upon other users. Can't life just be a real sunny beach?? Don Ecker -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Gross Subject: Taking time off Date: 18 May 90 15:01:47 GMT Friends, Aliens, and Gov't Agents: ;-) I'm going to be gone from 5/25 to 6/4 on vacation. I'll catch all of you on the flip side. Gene -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asuvax!mcdphx!xroads!gmz (Gerry Zeitlin) Subject: (To Jim Speiser) Date: 19 May 90 01:20:08 GMT Jim, I have a photo you might find interesting. If you would send me your mailing address (or email to me at CIS 71605,2013) I could send it to you. =gerry= -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Where I've Been... Date: 17 May 90 18:56:00 GMT > From: Tom Betz > > What I want to know is how upaya.lilink.com > suddenly became a member of the UCAR.EDU domain! > > Where's our Paranet Security chief? Any idea? > Merely a formality, Tom. The mail is being routed there due to the tremendous load that it was placing on another system. We now have a system which does a mail exploder and sends all the digests out. This way we only send one out and voilla! multiple digests. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f102.n167.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Patrick.Laberge Subject: New Affiliate Date: 16 May 90 05:14:00 GMT > Bien content d'apprendre que je suis pas le seul a placoter > anglais dans le coin. Oops a little bug. Anglais should read Francais. Pat -- Patrick Laberge - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Patrick.Laberge@f102.n167.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Yosemite Crash? Date: 18 May 90 05:14:00 GMT > In the words (more or less) of Dan Drasin, with whom I had a private > email discussion of this, "Clearly, either something is going on there, > or it isn't." Well, Gerry, look at it this way. Either you're right about that last statement, or you're wrong. You figure it out! Hey, are you still in town? Call! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: RE: Paranet Newsletter 223 Date: 18 May 90 05:16:00 GMT > > From: webb@afglsc.span.nasa.gov > Nice to see we have a feed into NASA. Happy reading, guys! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky Subject: Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS Date: 17 May 90 22:36:51 GMT GC> This is just a warning GC> though, to be carefull. Look what happened to the Jew's! 2000 years GC> almost and just now they are getting it together! While for GC> generations they didnt loose there stability with God. (Not that it GC> didnt occur I am just pointing to the rejection here, after Christ, GC> where they were expelled for there deeds). I have a question. As a Jew myself I'd like to know exactly where I was expelled from, and for what deeds. GC> You can't say it didn't happen or dismiss this account of activity fro GC> the God of Heaven. Ummm, I try not to get into debates over people's beliefs, but I assume that by "this account" you mean the New Testiment, and that was written by people, not G-d, almost a century after Jesus's death. Hope I don't start a big religious dispute by this message. C yas Dan -- Daniel Wisnosky - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Daniel.Wisnosky@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Taking Time Off Date: 19 May 90 01:13:00 GMT > From: Gene Gross > > Friends, Aliens, and Gov't Agents: ;-) > > I'm going to be gone from 5/25 to 6/4 on vacation. I'll > catch all of > you on the flip side. Have a wonderful time and don't get abducted! Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Public Service Announcement Date: 19 May 90 01:24:00 GMT The following is a public service announcement of ParaNet. Mail received from Allen Benz for immediate distribution on the network: NOTARIZED STATEMENT OF ALLEN BENZ TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: 1. I, Allen Benz, President of the Foundation for UFO Research with offices located at 3900 East Timrod Street (Mailing address: P.O. Box 182, Tucson, AZ 85702-0182), hereby state: a. That material contained in an article appearing in the publication called FOCUS: The quarterly newsletter of the Fair Witness Project, Inc., dated December 31, 1989 titled, "UFOs and the government, part 3" by William L. Moore contains factual inaccuracies regarding me and my activities. b. I have never worked for the U.S. Government in any capacity either overt or covert. c. I have never been in Dulce, New Mexico. d. I have never been in Rio Arriba County, New Mexico. e. I have never been on the Jicarilla Apache Indian Reservation in New Mexico. f. I have never "sought tribal permission [i.e., from the Jicarilla Apache Indian Tribe] to go UFO hunting." g. I have never owned or had the use of "a car full of cameras and video equipment." h. Neither Mr. Moore, nor anyone connected with him and/or his publication/organization ever contacted me regarding the allegations contained in the above mentioned article. i. That I am ready and willing to take any generally recognized test for truth verification, the results of which would be admissible in a court of law. j. The test(s) referred to in paragraph (i) above must be conducted by a competent, disinterested party who is not now and never has been affiliated or employed by either the United States Government or William L. Moore or his associates. The test conductor must be appropriately licensed and his/her methodolgy(ies) must be accepted by a recognized body of forensic specialists. 2. I declare, under penalty of perjury, that the foregoing statements are true. Signed: Allen Benz Date of Signature: April 25, 1990 Notarization The above identified person, Allen Benz, appeared before me on this 25th day of April, 1990 to subscribe and swear to this statement and to affix his signature thereto by my witness. Signed: Cecilia S. Nuarez My commission expires April 1, 1993. Notary Seal END RELEASE -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Gene.Gross Subject: Re: Woodward and the Company Date: 19 May 90 02:18:00 GMT Don: That's great. We'll actually be in Altamonte Springs. I'll give you a call once we get down. I'm leaving here 5/25 in the morning. Should be down there that night. I think we are going over to see my daughter on Saturday. But after that things are loose and free. -- Gene Gross - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gene.Gross@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Anti-grav party tricks Date: 19 May 90 03:16:00 GMT ->Sorry, Clark, but everyone knows the wildest parties are in ->Texas! -> Hi Kim. I spent some time in Austin last spring and you fellers DO seem to have something down there (even though word here is that the WILDEST parties anywhere are in Rhode Island). ->all just a party trick, but sometimes I wonder if the ->induced meditation state doesn't have a lot to do with it I agree with you here and (I'm a little uncomfortable admitting this) perhaps the most interesting point about our shared experiences with these "party tricks" is the psychic component to each of them. It seems that in your case -- as in mine -- a form of meditation/relaxation plays a big part in the levitation. And, in both our cases, these meditation/relaxation procedures WORKED and produced levitation. So what kind of party trick is this, anyway? Mesmer used hypnosis as a party trick -- ether anesthesia was used as a party trick -- what about this levitation stuff? Is this the precursor of some actual technology? And if so, shouldn't it be studied? I haven't the foggiest idea how it works, but it does demonstrably work! Best (to Texas), Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Magnetism Date: 19 May 90 03:23:00 GMT ->Speaking of gravity, I've seen the anti-gravity trick that ->Clark talked ->about. Was at a party while in college and someone brought ->it up. So ->we got a fellow who weighed in at 285 pounds to be the ->subject. Then we ->got the four smallest ladies present, and they did in fact ->lift him ->straight up into the air over their heads. Most bizaare ->little stunt ->I've ever seen. There might be a good explanation, but I ->haven't heard ->it yet. Me neither, Gene. Me neither. Howya doing', guy? Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Where'd we come from Date: 19 May 90 03:32:00 GMT ->Mind sending yours--got something I'd like to send your ->way. Certainly! Clark Matthews P.O. Box 3934 Jersey City, NJ 07303-3934 Look in email for my phone number! -> stuff in my head that passes for brain tissue. ;-) ... such stuff as dreams are made on ... ->Wonder if that means they also had fewer problems with ->egos!? ;-) Somehow I doubt it. Peking man's favorite dish was ... Peking man. So our egos may actually be settling DOWN. (Maybe it started when Peking man discovered Peking ducks) ->There is, in fact, a -># rather involved feminist rubric of beliefs growing up ->around the RNA -># studies, but I'm not familiar with them. -> ->I can think of a few groups that might not like this. So can I, and I'm sorry I posted it. For all & sundry, all this post means is that "I'm not familiar" with these beliefs. It's a statement of fact and non-judgemental. I promise to keep it off this echo. So look in email for my phones & some more news, Gene! Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Re: Woodward and the Company Date: 19 May 90 04:05:00 GMT Gene> That's great. We'll actually be in Altamonte Springs. I'll give you a Gene> call once we get down. I'm leaving here 5/25 in the morning. Should be Gene> down there that night. I think we are going over to see my daughter on Gene> Saturday. But after that things are loose and free. Way cool..Altamonte is just down the road a bit. BCNU then. -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Mr Ed GB and conf Date: 19 May 90 04:19:00 GMT Well folks our central Florida PN feed is temp out of service until Ken Macht gets back from his road trip..his board ain't working properly :( so this is tolet you know that John Hicks probably won't be giving his report on Mr Ed for a few days still. I think John will have alot to say. I've talked to him via email and he informs me that he spent a few hours with Mr Ed and Bruce Maccabee. I'm looking forward to hearing about it since GB is in our own backyard. Note to Paul Faeder: You've done a super job of patching things together..any chance of the central Fla area getting a more solid feed? It would sure be appreciated on *this* end. Does anyone know what has happenned to the ET echo? It seems to have died on our end here in Fla. -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Greg.Clawson Subject: Re: Biblical Accounts Date: 18 May 90 04:29:32 GMT As far as accounts go as to what I meant on Space Travell. In my view crawlling to Mars (With puny FTL [Faster Than Light] speeds) that Earth will find [somehow] in the near future is spittle. But, its a start yet not a REAL travell speed I was thinking about. Alot faster than your thoughts indeed. You don't think travelling to the end of the Galaxy (or even to another Galaxy) is available to us (in 1 lifetime?) in near future technology? It would take a Human being to live quite a long time to get to the end of the Galaxy. I also have to say that the Bible teaches "Eternal Life". So I will have all the time to get to one place or to another. Which then makes "time" in travell irrevellant. And my faith more outshining current known events and reality. It is far better to have faith in the future of a Bible that has been proven in it's forecasting. Than the present evil minded world and the knowledge it has. Or future knowledge it will aquire. - Greg -- Greg Clawson - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Greg.Clawson@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************