Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 233 Wednesday, May 30th 1990 Today's Topics: Something of Interest Aurora (none) Re: WOODWARD Re: INTENT Re: Stealth/Area 51 Aurora Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Re: Sonic booms & UFO's bumps in the night Re: T.S. Bennett MJ12 Skeptics UFO Newsletter bumps in the night Re: bumps in the night ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Bob.Fletcher Subject: Something of Interest Date: 22 May 90 18:03:00 GMT > New Element Discovered at NRC Research Centre First class Doug. I have personallay come into contact with the element in Australia especially in my work. Bob.... -- Bob Fletcher - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bob.Fletcher@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Aurora Date: 28 May 90 06:46:00 GMT Can we get something nailed down once and for all? Why is there so much confusion about the Aurora project? When I first heard the name, it was being applied to the sub-orbital space-plane concept that Reagan unveiled. At that time I never heard anything about it being a super-secret military spy-plane, in fact its main use was supposed to be commercial. Now I am hearing all kinds of things from people in the FIDO UFO echo: its a top-secret project being developed at Nellis, its supposed to replace the SR-71, its a black-budget item, its operational, its not operational....this is supposed to be a network, and one that's a cut above the FIDO echo. A network is supposed to take advantage of the expertise of its users to benefit the rest of the users. Does anyone here have the knowledge and expertise to tell us what there is to know publicly about Aurora? If not, would anyone like to tackle it as a research project? I'd just like to know what the official line on it is, never mind what the underground base crowd says it is. I'd like this information to be on ParaNet so that we can stay a cut above the FIDO echo, and so that people can call here with confidence, knowing that we do our best to present the facts, without a bunch of convoluted "I-heards". Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: (none) Date: 28 May 90 22:16:00 GMT > From: isis!well!ddrasin (Dan Drasin) > > What I was referring to was the use of "new age" as an apparent > epithet. I was also trying to make a more general point about various > branches of ufology not listening to each other (in some cases not even > acknowledging each other's existence!). For example, one aspect of > ufology that has developed rapidly over the past few years attempts to > understand the psychic and psychological effects of UFO experiences, > and to collect and discuss evidence on that level. This (paranet) network, > for example, is very strong on the "nuts and bolts" and > "government-political" level, but carries almost no information on > other aspects of ufology that are being pursued as scientifically (if > not more so) in other subcultures. I could agree to this Dan, but where is the data that has come from the serious scientific study of this aspect? Thus far, I have not seen any, and would welcome it. I would agree that there could be some connection to the UFO phenomena, but without some respectable scientific study far removed from the pseudo-scientific stuff that I hear about all the time, what do we go on? ParaNet is not restrictive to this aspect, either. We are interested in research of all of it provided it is something demonstrable. Perhaps you could jump in here with some material and get the ball rolling? Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: WOODWARD Date: 28 May 90 07:19:00 GMT It's true I don't care much for Pat Buchanan. Mainly because he rarely deals in facts but is nothing more then a conservative hack who tries to put the "correct" spin on every event to make it seem like it supports his preconcienved notion of how he wants the world to be. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: INTENT Date: 28 May 90 07:43:00 GMT Feel free to correct me, but as I recall, someone mentioned the subject of covert action and related topics and I suggested that they might find the Book Veil interesting. You then went on a great lenght attacking Woodward. There was no "pollitical" messages until you started your attacks on Woodward. Unlike some, I don't capture all the messages, perhaps you do and can see if I have missed something but your suggestion that I started the political messages by "extolling" the virtues of Bob, aint he great, Woodward do not jive with my recollections; I don't believe there were any political overtones until you choose to try and assasinate Woodward's character. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51 Date: 28 May 90 19:27:27 GMT While doing some research back to the 50's, I came across a couple articles in 1952 concerning the government contracts to build a nuclear powered aircraft. Pratt & Whitney and General Electric were both working on engines. Another article in the same year stated that they had the plans on the drawing board for an atomic powered aircraft that would "dwarf the B-36". Kind of sounds like Hudson Valley, don't it. -- Tim Hamewka - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tim.Hamewka@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Aurora Date: 29 May 90 05:20:00 GMT John: Please disregard the edginess in my message about the Aurora. I was not referring to your message, but rather, to several different diatribes I've seen in the FIDO echo. Supposedly, Mike has input a message on the Aurora with some information he received from researcher Barry Taff. Hopefully this will straighten things out. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Date: 27 May 90 01:20:10 GMT In a message of <25 May 90 02:10:17>, Robin Gober (1:362/701) writes: >you story reminds me of some of the polterghiest like activty that goes >on when the space dudes,(as I call them) begin to work an area or house. >I wonder can you remenber any other stange or out of the norm events. >Either at that time or later. Also if it's not too personal how many >people were in the house,their sex, and age. The kids tell me that we had a slight tremor two or three days before this happened, but I don't recall anything like that. As far as I remember there were three adult females, ages 40, 45, and 70. There were two children, 1 male, age 10 and 1 female, age 16. This happened in a wide band across three or four counties. FJ -- Frances Jones - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Frances.Jones@p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Date: 27 May 90 21:06:42 GMT In a message of <25 May 90 21:20:00>, Charles Mcelhinney (1:30223/5) writes: > Regarding your booms in the night. It sounds pretty weird. About >the only logical thing I can thing of is some kind of animal hitting the >side of your house. Of course, this would have to be a rather large >animal and a rather quick one to hit everyone elses house in the >neighborhood. Also, he would have to be one smart animal to avoid >detection. What do you have? Who knows...What do you think it is? What >are the impressions that you get. Did anyone see anything at all? No, there was nothing ever seen. This "bump" or "boom", according to the newspaper the next day, was heard in a 5 to 6 mile wide band across three counties. Nobody ever gave any "good" explanation. The thing that puzzles me is that it was heard at my neighbors house, appr. 100 or 200 yards from me, 1 to 2 minutes before it "hit" my house. If it had been just one "bump" or "boom" and everybody heard it at the same time then I could have accepted the "sonic boom story", but my neighbor had heard it and called me to look and see if I could spot "who did it". I went to my front door, looked out, up and down the street, went back to the phone and told her I didn't see anything. THEN it "hit my house while I was still talking. Your guess is as good as mine. I just wondered if anybody had ever had any similar experiences. FJ -- Frances Jones - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Frances.Jones@p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Date: 27 May 90 21:21:17 GMT In a message of <24 May 90 23:45:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes: >Frances: >You were hit by FaFroTSkies!! > >Seriously, I don't know what that could be, except possibly large >hailstones. But you said they hit the SIDE of the house? >Jim FaFroTSkies is as good a name for them as any I got when I called the police. I don't know WHERE it hit. It SOUNDED like the side of the house but there was never anything found that would indicate the house being hit at all. It sounded too soft to have been hail. More like a VERY large, firmly packed snowball. FJ -- Frances Jones - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Frances.Jones@p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Date: 27 May 90 21:25:29 GMT In a message of <25 May 90 21:07:00>, Jim Delton (1:114/37) writes: >I haven't a clue. In fact, a few months ago I heard a terrible racket >that sounded llike someone was throwing a whole bunch of gravel against >the side of my house. I rushed outside but there was no one around and >there was no gravel or any damage to the house. This was similar. Didn't have the SOLID sound of a rock or hailstone. More of a *BIG* firm snowball. When did this happen to you and did your neighbors experience anything similar? FJ -- Frances Jones - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Frances.Jones@p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robin.Gober Subject: bumps in the night Date: 28 May 90 04:03:03 GMT Frances Thank you for the information. I can not make a for sure statement on your night noses but I can tell you a little about my stuff. About a year ago I began working on my vistor stuff with a good therapist. One part of that story that most people don't talk about is the polterghiest activity. I could talk easily about the space stuff but the polterghiest stuff was hard. At the time (age 6 and up) we thought it was ghost or demons. This mad it very hard to talk about. Back to your stuff. I know it is hard to believe in space guys and polterghiest but belive me it happens. If you read striebers books closely he too reports knocks on the door and on the wall. Also an other good book to read is anything on the famous Bell witch. One of the best stories i can think of. Now I know that this is a little different than the standard story,that is that these space guys have only been here for fourty years, that they are from an other planet and the reason they haven't made contact is, oh heck I don't know the n for that. But any way it may help you to read about polterghiest. Also and most importantly you have a right to what ever feelings you had that night. This has been the most important thing I have learned, you don't have to prove 100% that you heard the noise or that you know for sure what it is. I think just looking at the facts is reason to know that something very odd was going on. It covered too much of an area and would have taken too many people working to close together to make it happen. Also for reason would anyone what to do it. If i wanted to brother people I could think of something much better . So I would keep an open mind but please don't let other people who were not there decide what happened. You were there, you felt it, you must make up your own mind. In closing here is one little mental trick I learned. Whenever I think of my stuff I don't make my self prove it happened. Intead I ask myself what I percevied, and how I feel about that. it can help. thanks rob -- Robin Gober - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Robin.Gober@p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Re: T.S. Bennett Date: 27 May 90 18:32:00 GMT KL> Well, I've been rattling off several letters a day back to Timmy, KL> and I'm just about to cut him off. Apparently he still prefers KL> his "bombing runs", with little regard to the content of KL> the discussions that he interferes with. And talk about KL> disinformation! KL> KL> Timmy still insists that Alternative 3 is a factual KL> account, and that anyone who disagrees with him is a KL> government agent trying KL> to sabotage him. He refuses to respond to any allegations that KL> he was removed from ParaNet for obnoxious behavior. And I believe KL> that his role on the UFO echos IS to disinform and disrupt any KL> meaningful conversation. KL> KL> A lawsuit against him? That almost sounds too good to be true... KL> --- FD 2.00 KL> * Origin: -=ParaNet XI-Gamma(sm)=- OKC *HST* (405)277-3603 KL> (1:30163/204) Tim is in obvious need of dire medical/pyschological help. He desperately should seek it as should his "Boss" Milton William Cooper..they are both 2 peas in the same pod. As far as Alt 3 is concerned, I believe that it's been dis-credited already some time ago. I have never read the book myself, but I would like to if anyone can get the Source info so I can order it. As far as a lawsuit..it won't be coming from me..but look at all those people that Cooper has slandered...George Knapp..John Lear, Michael Corbin, Friedman,etc... Bill English has already nailed Bill Cooper a FEW times..and as far as I'm concerned..T.S has pushed the limit too far now.. SOME action MUST BE forthcoming. Maybe I shouldn't say anything in Public posts on FIDO..maybe I should just blow it off and say to myself that the rest of the Net will consider both Guru Cooper and his Chela Bennett nuts.. I guess I could do that..but as a mere USER (and a former BBS Sysop) I feel that I don't have to logon and read all that crapola. So I take it on *myself* to respond to Tim's outrageous claims. Disclaimer: ParaNet is NOT responsible for my postings nor for the content of my messages. They are MINE and mine alone, and I'm *totally* accountable for what *I* say. I read that ParaNet is preparing a file on Bill Cooper...GOOD! Let's get this out in the open where all the users can SEE what a paranoid schizo both he and his SHILL really are. -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: MJ12 Date: 27 May 90 23:54:00 GMT A relative of mine (ex-Marine) turns out to have been sent with an Air Force intel officer to interview two Sabrejet pilots who flew on a ufo intercept back in the mid-to-late '50s. He was an expert in materials engineering. Anyway, the story goes that Air Force controllers picked up two fast-moving unidentified blips and eventually scrambled the pilots on an intercept. The intercept was perfect, but the targets turned out to be two brilliant lights. As the targets closed, they suddenly climbed to 150,000 feet plus, then quickly descended and sped away at Mach 1 plus. He said the fighters were armed, but no gun cameras. Since it appeared to me that he must have had a rather high security clearance, I asked him if he'd ever heard the terms Majic or Majestic. He didn't react at all, just said no. FWIW. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: Skeptics UFO Newsletter Date: 27 May 90 23:57:01 GMT > But it still cannot be said that Walters "turned down" the > Enquirer, right? Dunno. Not at that time, but he very well may have turned them down later when he was thinking of doing a book. Tell you what, though. I'm going to the MUFON symposium in Pensacola, and I'll ask him that particular question. Remind me. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Frances.Jones Subject: bumps in the night Date: 28 May 90 18:30:13 GMT In a message of <27 May 90 21:03:03>, Robin Gober (1:362/701) writes: >therapist. One part of that story that most people don't talk about is the > polterghiest >activity. I could talk easily about the space stuff but the polterghiest >stuff was hard. At the time (age 6 and up) we thought it was ghost or >demons. This mad it very hard to talk about. Back to your stuff. I know Robin, I am, I guess, a little different from most people. I don't get all upset or frightened about experiences like the "bump". I am only EXTREMELY curious as to what might have caused it and don't like for someone to try to appease me with "it was a sonic boom". I have seen UFO's. I know that there is "something" going on. I just want to know more about it and learn all I can. There were waaaaayyyyyy tooo many witnesses to this occurence for anyone to tell me that it was all in my mind, and it really wouldn't bother me if they did. I have known too many closed minded people to worry about what they say. They live in a VERY small world with no hope of ever making it any larger and they will be the ones who will "panic" if contact is ever made with an alien group or if it is ever proven that there are ghosts, etc. I feel that we would have to be awfully vain to believe that "God created the heavens and the earth" "Adam and Eve" and then he quit and sat back and watched. >it is hard to believe in space guys and polterghiest but belive me it >happens. If you read striebers books closely he too reports knocks on the This is one problem I don't have. I HAVE read about all of the above,not Striebers books but others, and totally accept the probability of their existence. >about polterghiest. Also and most importantly you have a right to what >ever feelings you had that night. This has been the most important thing The only "feelings" I have about that night, as I said before, is extreme curiosity. It doesn't "bother" me that it happened. I just have the unquenchable desire to know "HOW", "WHY" and "WHAT". See ya FJ -- Frances Jones - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Frances.Jones@p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robin.Gober Subject: Re: bumps in the night Date: 28 May 90 23:41:52 GMT Thank you for sharing that with me. I am gald that you aren't worried about them. Yes I too would like to know just what in hell they are up. This is one of the reasons I don't buy the viewpoint that these guys are from another planet> Why would you come all the way here and then just roam around one night banging on houses. It just doesn't make sense.AS far as what is the answer the answer is there is no answer. Or maybe the process is the answer. Any way thank you once again for the information. Have some fun and I will type at you later! -- Robin Gober - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Robin.Gober@p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************