Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 234 Thursday, May 31st 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's MJ12 Fido UFO M. Wm. "Bill" Cooper Re: T.S. Bennett FIDOnet What do we really know about UFOs? UFO Questionaire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f3.n1031.z9.FIDONET.ORG!David.Seikel Subject: Re: Sonic booms & UFO's Date: 23 May 90 01:33:00 GMT JD > refraction. Might be a similar effect causing the JD > mysterious air booms that were being discussed on this JD > echo. You mean the "skyquakes" that I was enquiring about earlier? I don't think I got an actual definition, just managed to figure it out from context. Thanks for the info though. the DVS one -- David Seikel - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Seikel@f3.n1031.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Richard.Salts Subject: MJ12 Date: 29 May 90 19:50:00 GMT What I meant by a 'double hoax' is that documents appearing to look real but possibly 'really' bogus might serve as a means of discouraging continued research into the possibility of an elite and highly select, Top Secret scientific group that actually may have been assembled to investigate the Roswell incident. By being proved "false" the MJ12 documents may be serving as someone's weapon against discovering what may have happened in June of 1947. Reason: National Security, of course! Rich -- Richard Salts - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Richard.Salts@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: Fido UFO Date: 30 May 90 03:12:00 GMT As most of you will be aware, for at least the last month Paranet has suffered numerous attacks in the Natl. UFO Echo. Although we (as Paranet users) have done nothing more than defend ourselves and Paranet, various Paranet users have attempted to defuse the flaming going on. The chief instigator, T. S. Bennett has been the major problem in the Natl. UFO echo. Paranet sysop Paul Faeder offered to temporarily take over the UFO echo with the OK of Fidonet powers-that-be, but as it turned out, George Adam Stanislav had returned from his month out of the United States. Stanislav, never a big fan of Paranet saw the message by Faeder and thought that Paranet was attempting to take over his UFO echo. As if we needed that............. anyway, when Faeder explained to Stanislav what was really going on, Stanislav said he was sorry, but that Paranet was banned from the UFO echo. Paul Faeder net mailed me the information, and I contacted Jim Speiser and Mike Corbin. After a brief discussion, we got Stanislav's home number and I called him. We had a brief 20 to 25 minute discussion, and at first George Adam ( as he likes to be called ) stated that he was angry with Paranet, was tired of hearing about Paranet, and that Paranet has basically been the bane of his existance for the last couple of years. Prior to calling George Adam, Mike Corbin and I decided that if George A. did not reconsider, we were capable of starting our own backbone echo, and I relayed this info to George Adam. Also, (and I do not know how much weight this carried at the time) told George Adam that if Paranet did start the echo, especially in light that there did not appear to be any justice at his end, we would in all likelyhood take away most of the users from his echo. The rest of the story is this, he lifted his ban, as long as Paranet is not mentioned. I told him that I can not speak for anyone else except for myself, but that I would pass this along to the rest of the members. What do you think? Don Ecker Paranet Director/Security -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Ecker Subject: M. Wm. "Bill" Cooper Date: 30 May 90 05:13:00 GMT To all; As you may or may not know, in my capacity as a UFO writer and researcher, I am presently involved in a very large series of articles for UFO Magazine on the Whistle-Blowers. Because of the electronic BBS system owned and operated by Bill Cooper, and the electronic newsletter he carries, not to mention the "work" that Cooper is involved in, Cooper was selected by me as the first article to be completed. Because of the slanderious nature of Cooper's newsletter, and the patently false informtion that he gives out, it was not hard to pin this man down. I attempted to speak to Cooper on the phone, and he refused to speak after a very brief while. As I suspected, I am now accused by him as being part of the "Secret Government" attempt to suppress the "truth" of UFOs. The only thing that will cause me to laugh any harder is when he finally comes out and tells the world that he saw my name on his "briefing document" along with Bob Lazar, Lear, Moore, Friedman, Maccabee, and all the other unamed "agents" of his. He has let it be known that he will crucify anyone that gets in his way. As Cooper himself said in the last newsletter "In case you have not learned anything yet let me assure you that you had better not screw around with me unless you are willing to go all the way to the wall and beyond . . . " . The story with the facts is even now going to press, and I feel that after the two part article is run, the public will see that Bill is no longer in Kansas, but somewhere along the way, he has slipped into Oz.... When speaking to Lazar several days ago, Lazar told me on the record that he has observed Cooper on the only two times he met him, to have acted "like a lunatic" when anyone has questioned his story, his claims, or his sources. What I can say at this point is that anything anyone states must be checked, double checked and then checked once more. In the above case, nothing has checked out yet. Stay tuned. Don Ecker -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky Subject: Re: T.S. Bennett Date: 29 May 90 22:35:42 GMT DA> I read that ParaNet is preparing a file on Bill Cooper...GOOD! DA> Let's get this out in the open where all the users can SEE DA> what a paranoid schizo both he and his SHILL really are. Yeah, and I'd love to post that file on Fidonet. Of course, then I suppose that I'd be accused of being a goverment agent, huh? oh well... C yas, Dan -- Daniel Wisnosky - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Daniel.Wisnosky@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky Subject: FIDOnet Date: 29 May 90 23:01:56 GMT I just took a look at the FIDOnet UFO echo, and the moderator has just banned all Paranet boards from his echo. He is also threatening to take Paranet to court! Well, that means that none of us can now see the B.S. that T.S. Bennett is constantly posting, so I suppose we should take this banning of us from that echo to be a blessing! C yas, Dan -- Daniel Wisnosky - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Daniel.Wisnosky@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: What do we really know about UFOs? Date: 30 May 90 18:39:00 GMT We have been treated to a glimpse of the phenomenon through the screens of ParaNet. Our echoes have been lively with all sorts of discussions on the topic of UFOs. We have also been treated to more than our share of possible disinformation and the like which has somewhat polluted the issue to the extent that most people feel that we have surpassed the explanation of what and where "they" are from to what do we do now that they are here. However, as it is, we still do not have one solid shred of evidence to support the reality of the phenomenon aside from physical landing traces and sightings. The problem with this is that although there are things that are there that can be scientifically measured, we lack the necessary material representing the actual vehicle itself. Over the years, there has been great denial to the point that the press has been put into a position to manipulate the public regarding UFOs asserting that there is no reality to them at all. Despite government efforts of the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and beyond to discredit and debunk them, sightings still continue. The obvious question is why are there so many people today claiming to know the answers: actual contact with "space brothers," underground alien bases and the like? Someone coming new into the realm of ufology would think that all of the answers have been found. This is very confusing and misleading. One can believe anything that they hear, however when it comes right down to it, what is really going on? We know that theory and hypothesis is a first step to scientific discovery. However, theory and hypothesis must be based on predictable outcomes. With UFOs, there is no predictable outcome simply because they do not fit into any models that we currently understand. This is not to say that the rampant stories going around today about the behavior of aliens is not true, but there is nothing by which to predict the phenomenon thus it would be considered open territory. At best, we must employ critical thinking at all times while dealing with research and understanding as it has been found that the mere subject and mention of UFOs evokes strong emotions in people. This is not fully understood, and deserves responsible study. It is because of this one fact that I believe the subject has been shrouded so deeply in official mystery. It has been found (I will cite all of my sources in an upcoming full feature article) that aside from the actual existence of UFOs, a subversive government could use UFOs as a method to cause severe social unrest and the loss of confidence in the government by the society targeted. However, none of this would be a problem if everyone employed critical thinking. It is easy to say that the aliens are here, that they are eating us, abducting us and running underground facilities. It is easy to say that our government is deeply involved in an alien treaty for technology exchanges and on and on. But, the one thing that I have seen none of is the proof of these allegations. It was cited by the Robertson Panel in 1953 that education was the primary way to get to the understanding of UFOs. Education leads to the responsible study of what we are dealing with, either Earth-bound or beyond. Fear comes from ignorance as does panic. With this in mind, we must ask ourselves the one question: What do we *really* know about UFOs? In the next few weeks, ParaNet will carry a series of interesting articles and postings dealing with what actually exists in the way of evidence. Although it is not a lot, there are findings and research that has been carried out that has brought us a little closer to understanding. For example: It has been noted that there has been very little in the way of scientific research conducted. It is also widely known that measuring the phenomenon scientifically is a very difficult thing to do. Its appearance in geographical locations is unpredictable as is its time of appearance. But, there have been instances where a UFO was measured scientifically to determine size and speed. On April 24, 1949, Navy Commander R.B. McLaughlin and a crew of scientists were preparing to launch a skyhook balloon into the atmosphere at the White Sands missile proving grounds in New Mexico. The day was clear and calm enough that "you could hear a whisper a mile away." In preparation for launch of the large skyhook balloon, the team launched a small balloon to determine atmospheric conditions. There were three people performing measurements utilizing a theodolite (similar to a surveyor's scope with 25 power), a stop watch, and a clipboard. When the balloon reached 10,000 feet someone noticed an object to the left of the weather balloon. He shouted and within a split second, the man operating the theodolite swung it around and brought the object into view while the man operating the stopwatch reset it. One witness reported that the object was very clearly observed with the naked eye and it was easily seen to be elliptical in shape and had a "whitish-silver" color. For fifty-five of the sixty seconds of observation, the object moved to the east and had dropped from an angle of elevation of 45 degrees to 25 degrees, then it zoomed upward and in a few seconds it was out of sight. During the sighting, the object passed in front of a mountain range allowing for reference points to be used in further calculations. When the data had been distilled it was found that the UFO had been traveling 4 degrees per second or 7 miles per second or 25,200 MPH! The object was 100 feet long and 40 feet wide traveling at an altitude of approximately 56 miles or 296,000 feet. The object demonstrated that it was under intelligent control and thoroughly convinced McLaughlin that it was an interplanetary vessel. In this case, a scientific measurement was made which supported a theory that the object was a TRUFO (True UFO). This case has many merits: 1) Daytime sighting; 2) Multiple witnesses; 3) Scientifically trained witnesses; and, 4) the object displayed maneuvers indicating intelligent control. This is but one of the cases which we will review on ParaNet in the future. The next message will contain a questionaire which I would like to have full participation in by our subscribers. It has been borrowed from a book called 'The Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects.' It will be our basis for discussion. Please answer it online by using the quote/reply feature and also place your comments for each question. You can also answer it offline and upload it to your host system as a text file. I will gladly post them. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: UFO Questionaire Date: 30 May 90 18:57:00 GMT This questionaire is for all ParaNet users. I hope to see full participation in this. For each of the statements shown below, please indicate the degree to which you feel the statement to be either true or false: 1. Definitely false means that you are fully convinced the statement is false, and you would act without hesitation on this belief. You would question the wisdom of anyone who disagreed with you. 2. Probably false means that you are not sure whether the statement is true or false, but that if you had to act on it, you would regard the statement as more likely false than true. Your opinion might be changed by discussion with another person. 3. Probably true means that you are not sure whether the statement is true or false, but that if you had to act on it, you would regard the statement as more likely true than false. Your opinion might be changed by discussion with another person. 4. Definitely true means that you are fully convinced that the statement is true, and you would act without hesitation on this belief. You would question the wisdom of anyone who disagreed with you. Please answer each question completely and place any comments after your answer, if you have them. Also, you are free to answer this in text file form and upload it to your host system. ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Some flying saucers have tried to communicate with us. 2. All UFO reports can be explained either as well understood happenings or as hoaxes. 3. The Air Force has done an adequate job of investigation of UFO reports and UFOs generally. 4. No actual, physical evidence has ever been obtained from a UFO. 5. A government agency maintains a Top Secret file of UFO reports that are deliberately withheld from the public. 6. No airline pilots have seen UFOs. 7. Most people would not report seeing a UFO for fear of losing a job. 8. No authentic photographs have ever been taken of UFOs. 9. Persons who believe they have communicated with visitors from outer space are mentally ill. 10. The Air Force was told to explain all UFO sightings reported to them as natural or man-made happenings or events. 11. Earth has been visited at least once in its history by beings from another world. 12. The government should spend more money than it does now to study what UFOs are and where they come from. 13. Intelligent forms of life cannot exist elsewhere in the universe. 14. Flying saucers can be explained scientifically without any important new discoveries. 15. Some UFOs have landed and left marks in the ground. 16. Most UFOs are due to secret defense projects, either ours or another country's. 17. UFOs are reported throughout the world. 18. The government has done a good job of examining UFO reports. 19. There have never been any UFO sightings in the Soviet Union. 20. People want to believe that life exists elsewhere than on Earth. 21. There have been good radar reports of UFOs. 22. There is no government secrecy about UFOs. 23. People have seen space ships that have not come from this planet. 24. Some UFO reports have come from astronomers. 25. Even the most unusual UFO report could be explained by the laws of science if we knew enough about science. 26. People who do *not* believe in flying saucers must be stupid. 27. UFO reports have not been taken seriously by any government agency. 28. Government secrecy about UFOs is an idea made up by newspapers. 29. Science has established that there are such things as "Unidentified Flying Objects." 30. Abduction reports are the result of hallucinations. 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