Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 236 Sunday, June 3rd 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Fido UFO UFO Questionaire UFO Questionaire UFO Questionaire Inside Edition Recent Developments Re: Fido UFO Re: Inside Edition Re: UFO Questionaire SURVEY Re: INTENT Re: Stealth/Area 51 Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Re: STEALTH/AREA 51 Re: MAG-> UFO UNIVERSE PROJBETA.UFO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Fido UFO Date: 31 May 90 18:45:00 GMT On the one hand, I hate to see things escalate into a sort of "echo war" but on the other hand I don't see much sense in participating in an echo, such as G. Adams, where the parameters are basically "don't say anything if you don't believe what I believe" and "skeptical minds not welcome here". That might be ok if you are trying to set up a circle jerk but it will not do much to move ufology along. My suggestion would be to explore changing the FIDO-UFO Echo policies to make them less fascist in nature. Rick Moen tried to get some clarification from G Adam about the "you have to be a believer to participate" policy and the answer was rather ambiguous. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: UFO Questionaire Date: 1 Jun 90 04:12:00 GMT > 1. Some flying saucers have tried to communicate with us. 2 > > 2. All UFO reports can be explained either as well understood > happenings or as hoaxes. 1 > > 3. The Air Force has done an adequate job of investigation of UFO > reports and UFOs generally. 1 > 4. No actual, physical evidence has ever been obtained from a UFO. 1 > 5. A government agency maintains a Top Secret file of UFO reports that > are deliberately withheld from the public. 4 > 6. No airline pilots have seen UFOs. 1 > 7. Most people would not report seeing a UFO for fear of losing a job. 4 > 8. No authentic photographs have ever been taken of UFOs. 1 > 9. Persons who believe they have communicated with visitors from outer > space are mentally ill. 2 (but SOME ARE mentally ill.) > 10. The Air Force was told to explain all UFO sightings reported to > them as natural or man-made happenings or events. 4 > 11. Earth has been visited at least once in its history by beings from > another world. 3 > 12. The government should spend more money than it does now to study > what UFOs are and where they come from. 4 > 13. Intelligent forms of life cannot exist elsewhere in the universe. 1 > 14. Flying saucers can be explained scientifically without any > important new discoveries. 2 > 15. Some UFOs have landed and left marks in the ground. 3 > 16. Most UFOs are due to secret defense projects, either ours or > another country's. 1 > 17. UFOs are reported throughout the world. 4 > 18. The government has done a good job of examining UFO reports. 2 (Maybe they have and we just don't know?) > 19. There have never been any UFO sightings in the Soviet Union. 1 > 20. People want to believe that life exists elsewhere than on Earth. 4 > 21. There have been good radar reports of UFOs. 4 > 22. There is no government secrecy about UFOs. 1 > 23. People have seen space ships that have not come from this planet. 3 > 24. Some UFO reports have come from astronomers. 4 > 25. Even the most unusual UFO report could be explained by the laws of > science if we knew enough about science. 4 (think about it!) > 26. People who do *not* believe in flying saucers must be stupid. 1 > 27. UFO reports have not been taken seriously by any government agency. 1 > 28. Government secrecy about UFOs is an idea made up by newspapers. 1 > 29. Science has established that there are such things as "Unidentified > Flying Objects." 1 (Ufology has established it; Science has sat back on its bum and said, "duh?") > 30. Abduction reports are the result of hallucinations. 1 > Finally, what do you believe UFOs to be? I believe them to be unidentified. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: UFO Questionaire Date: 2 Jun 90 07:04:59 GMT 1. Some flying saucers have tried to communicate with us. 3 - Probably True 2. All UFO reports can be explained either as well understood happenings or as hoaxes. 1 - Definately False 3. The Air Force has done an adequate job of investigation of UFO reports and UFOs generally. 1 - Definately False 4. No actual, physical evidence has ever been obtained from a UFO. 2 - Probably False 5. A government agency maintains a Top Secret file of UFO reports that are deliberately withheld from the public. 3 - Probably True 6. No airline pilots have seen UFOs. 1 - Definately False 7. Most people would not report seeing a UFO for fear of losing a job. 2 - Probably False 8. No authentic photographs have ever been taken of UFOs. 1 - Definately False 9. Persons who believe they have communicated with visitors from outer space are mentally ill. 2 - Probably False 10. The Air Force was told to explain all UFO sightings reported to them as natural or man-made happenings or events. 3 - Probably True 11. Earth has been visited at least once in its history by beings from another world. 3 - Probably True 12. The government should spend more money than it does now to study what UFOs are and where they come from. 4 - Definately True 13. Intelligent forms of life cannot exist elsewhere in the universe. 2 - Probably False 14. Flying saucers can be explained scientifically without any important new discoveries. 2 - Probably False 15. Some UFOs have landed and left marks in the ground. 3 - Probably True 16. Most UFOs are due to secret defense projects, either ours or another country's. 2 - Probably False 17. UFOs are reported throughout the world. 4 - Definately True 18. The government has done a good job of examining UFO reports. 1 - Definately False 19. There have never been any UFO sightings in the Soviet Union. 1 - Definately False 20. People want to believe that life exists elsewhere than on Earth. 3 - Probably True 21. There have been good radar reports of UFOs. 4 - Definately True 22. There is no government secrecy about UFOs. 1 - Definately False 23. People have seen space ships that have not come from this planet. 3 - Probably True 24. Some UFO reports have come from astronomers. 3 - Probably True 25. Even the most unusual UFO report could be explained by the laws of science if we knew enough about science. 2 - Probably False 26. People who do *not* believe in flying saucers must be stupid. 1 - Definately False 27. UFO reports have not been taken seriously by any government agency. 2 - Probably False 28. Government secrecy about UFOs is an idea made up by newspapers. 2 - Probably False 29. Science has established that there are such things as "Unidentified Flying Objects." 2 - Probably False 30. Abduction reports are the result of hallucinations. 2 - Probably False Finally, what do you believe UFOs to be? -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Paul.Faeder Subject: UFO Questionaire Date: 2 Jun 90 07:15:25 GMT >Finally, what do you believe UFOs to be? These "aliens" or whatever they are, have been accused of everything from mutilations to being our space brothers. There have been stories of evil grays and curious but seemingly good-intentioned grays, and I've heard of the "blonds" which don't seem to do much of anything. There have been many different styles of "ships"; disk, cigar, triangular etc. Because of these differences, I think we are being visited by more than one alien race. But, I think that whatever this enigma is, it's from something real that exists in our universe. Where, I don't know. But if we could get a piece of a ship or alien, we could take it apart, dissect it, examine it and shout "Eureka!, I've found it!" Source of the above comments are based on material I've read in books on the subject and ParaNet files. But my gut feelings tell me that there is another aspect to this, something that I can only describe as "strange", "wierd", "paranormal" or "supernatural". Things like "strange creatures" or "hooded figures" being sighted in areas with UFO activity. Whatever it is, I don't think it can be explained with our science and I can't explain myself any better. I don't know why I have this "gut feeling" about it, all I know is that I do have it. Source of the above comments are Paul Faeder's guts! -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Inside Edition Date: 1 Jun 90 06:43:00 GMT > Whups! I just turned on the tape again...the name of this show > is Inside Report. That changed the whole tenor of my reaction to your post. Inside Edition usually goes out of its way to appear "bemused" at the whole UFO subject. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Recent Developments Date: 1 Jun 90 06:51:00 GMT Some recent developments that we should be tracking... Apparently an abductee is claiming to have recovered an implant. Joe Holland reports that somebody appeared on the Joan Rivers (?) show and gave her a box with an object in it. It was never shown on camera for some reason, but Joan looked at it and made some comment. Budd Hopkins also appeared on the show. I'm going to try to get in touch with Budd through Ted Markley of CompuServe and see what this is about. Did anyone else see this show? Rick Edwards of UFO Awareness is starting a syndicated TV show called "UFO Spotlight." No idea yet in which markets its going to play. If I provide a phone number in Palm Springs, CA, can someone find out about this? Billy Goodman, ex of the Billy Goodman Happening on KVEG, has purchased satellite time and is promoting a new Happening to take place in late June. Guests will include Lazar and Cooper. Contrary to rumor (one started by Goodman), yours truly will NOT be appearing. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Clark.Matthews Subject: Re: Fido UFO Date: 1 Jun 90 07:48:00 GMT ->parameters are basically "don't say anything if you don't ->believe what I believe" and "skeptical minds not welcome ->here". That might be ok if you are trying to set up a ->circle jerk but it will not do much to move ufology along. Hehehehehehehehe! I agree but I wouldn't be overly concerned -- maybe it's my native optimism but I think that that Topic Cops like Mr. Adam usually end up walking empty beats. As long as ParaNet remains an open, accessible and non-flaming forum for UFOlogical conversations, people will find it & stay here. Never underestimate the willingness of people to "vote with their feet." Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Delton Subject: Re: Inside Edition Date: 1 Jun 90 20:26:00 GMT Your suggestion of using a Laser to set up a hoax is an interesting suggestion; especially given the apparent ability of Lazar in things electrical and mechanical as evidenced by the JetCar newpaper article. I'm suprised Teller would even be willing to appear to deny knowing Lazar, but the denial would be expected if the gvt is covering up. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Schuster Subject: Re: UFO Questionaire Date: 2 Jun 90 04:21:00 GMT ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Some flying saucers have tried to communicate with us. @ PT. 2. All UFO reports can be explained either as well understood happenings or as hoaxes. @ F. 3. The Air Force has done an adequate job of investigation of UFO reports and UFOs generally. @ PF. 4. No actual, physical evidence has ever been obtained from a UFO. @ PF. 5. A government agency maintains a Top Secret file of UFO reports that are deliberately withheld from the public. @ PT. 6. No airline pilots have seen UFOs. @ F. 7. Most people would not report seeing a UFO for fear of losing a job. @ PT. 8. No authentic photographs have ever been taken of UFOs. @ PF. 9. Persons who believe they have communicated with visitors from outer space are mentally ill. @ PF. 10. The Air Force was told to explain all UFO sightings reported to them as natural or man-made happenings or events. @ PT. 11. Earth has been visited at least once in its history by beings from another world. @ PT. 12. The government should spend more money than t doe o to std what UOs aead where hy coefom. PT. 13. Intelgen foms f lf anno exist lsewhre i the nivrse @ F 14 Fyigsauerscanbe xpanedscintiicalywthoutan imortnt e discveres. @ F. 15. Some UFOs have landed and left marks in the ground. @ T. 16. Most UFOs are due to secret defense projects, either ours or another country's. @ PF. 17. UFOs are reported throughout the world. @ T. 18. The government has done a good job of examining UFO reports. @ PT. 19. There have never been any UFO sightings in the Soviet Union. @ F. -- Don Schuster - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Schuster@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka Subject: SURVEY Date: 1 Jun 90 18:33:48 GMT I don't know if you consider me a ParaNet user since I'm only active on the Echo line, but I've completed the survey anyways. My answers are as follows: 1-3, 2-1, 3-2, 4-2, 5-3, 6-1, 7-3, 8-2, 9-1, 10-3, 11-4, 12-3 13-1, 14-1, 15-4, 16-2, 17-4, 18-2, 19-1, 20-3, 21-4, 22-1, 23-4, 24-4 25-1, 26-4, 27-2, 28-1, 29-3, 30-1, I feel UFOs are a combination of things. I believe most can be explained as mistaken identity, natural phenomena, and even some as secret government project. But I do believe at least a small percentage of these sightings to be of extraterrestrial origin. -- Tim Hamewka - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tim.Hamewka@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Ea.Richards Subject: Re: INTENT Date: 30 May 90 22:44:53 GMT I agree with your thesis regarding politics; it will be well if others don't tout their political beliefs, parties, or recommendations such as did that other chap. -- Ea Richards - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ea.Richards@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!John.Hicks Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51 Date: 30 May 90 17:54:00 GMT TH> While doing some research back to the 50's, I came across a TH> couple TH> articles in 1952 concerning the government contracts to TH> build a nuclear TH> powered aircraft. TH> would "dwarf the B-36". Kind of sounds like Hudson Valley, Back then nuclear power was the answer to everything, of course. The description of the TORY engine I read said that the thing was incredibly loud and spewed radioactive exhaust, which was essentially what killed the project. It *did* work, though. I'll buy the idea that the Hudson Valley ufo is some sort of convential, if highly advanced, terrestrial airplane. I'd say forget about nuclear engines and concentrate on figuring out how it's made silent. Ever heard a Harrier hover? ;-) jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Don.Allen Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 31 May 90 03:44:00 GMT JB>I never heard of Francie; maybe Jim Speiser will have that bit of JB>gossip for us. Arcturus Books is at: P.O. Box 831383 Stone Mountain, JB>Georgia 30083-0023. Hey thanks for the address John..And last time I looked Brad WAS married to Francie..course she could have either dumped him or changed her name..go figger :^) -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Pete.Porro Subject: Re: STEALTH/AREA 51 Date: 31 May 90 17:18:20 GMT About the Nuclear power aircraft, I believe it has been proposed that because of the reactor weight it is a problem to make the aircraft feasable. On the other hand in 1966 my hand held calculator cost $300 and you can get one in a box of cerial now (that does more) for free! Smaller lighter reactors may make this a possible reality machine. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Pete.Porro Subject: Re: MAG-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 31 May 90 17:24:49 GMT Arcturus Book Service, PO box 831383 Stone Mountian, GA 30083-0023 Last address I have. It's a little town just outside Atlanta for anyone who cares. (very nice place) -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f36.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jacques.Poulet Subject: PROJBETA.UFO Date: 29 May 90 03:19:00 GMT Hi! I've spend a few hours reading the amount of document included in the files of Paranet and, well, I was asking myself what's true and what's not. Which one of these report can we beleive to be hoaxes and which ones aren't? I'm especially interested in PROJBETA.UFO from Dr. Paul Bennewitz and the many files from W. Cooper. Since I'm new in this, please tell me what I can resonably beleive and what I should reject. Normally, there is a kind of rating on documents. I did not find any on that one. Also, there are some documents that seems to be missing the end... : MJ12COM1.UFO MJ12DOC1.UFO and some more (???) Jacques -- Jacques Poulet - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jacques.Poulet@f36.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************