Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 238 Tuesday, June 5th 1990 Today's Topics: Projbeta.ufo Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Fido UFO Re: PROJBETA.UFO Re: Stealth/Area 51 Re: MAG-> UFO UNIVERSE Re: Stealth/Area 51 Inside Edition Re: Inside Edition black helicopters or shadow ships Bob Lazar Bob Lazar Re: UFO Questionaire Re: Bob Lazar Re: black helicopters or shadow ships Re: Bob Lazar Hudson Valley ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!mcorbin Subject: Projbeta.ufo Date: 2 Jun 90 16:18:00 GMT First, a warm welcome to ParaNet. We are glad to have you here. > I've spend a few hours reading the amount of > document included in the files of Paranet and, well, I was > asking myself what's true and what's not. > > Which one of these report can we beleive to be > hoaxes and which ones aren't? I'm especially interested in > PROJBETA.UFO from Dr. Paul Bennewitz and the many files > from W. Cooper. > > Since I'm new in this, please tell me what I can > resonably beleive and what I should reject. Normally, there > is a kind of rating on documents. I did not find any on > that one. Dr. Paul Bennewitz allegedly has had some type of contact with aliens in the New Mexico area as a result of some high-tech electronic research he was doing. He reported his findings to the Air Force and immediately his life changed. There are others here who are more qualified on the subject of Bennewitz, but as I understand it, his contact with aliens, if that is what it really was/is, was not necessarily as elaborate as his file indicates. The information reflected in his file is a result of the antics of the "disinformation society," whomever they may be, and Bennewitz was provided enough bizarre information to require his institutionalization in a mental hospital for a breakdown. It is not to say that the information was true, however, as it has been identified as disinformation by Wm. L. Moore who claims it was all a part of a "governmental attempt" to disinform Bennewitz. If Bennewitz did in fact intercept some type of electronic signal, it does not mean that it was from an extraterrestrial craft. It could have been anything militarily connected with R&D or whatever. As for the MJ-12 and MAJIC stuff, I would strongly recommend a highly skeptical approach to the material since it has been generally found that the authors of the material are very unreliable sources of information who have not been able to substantiate one piece of it. ParaNet has attempted to research the validity, but has met with such resistance from those people that independent verification is impossible. It is important to look at all aspects of UFOlogy before arriving at any conclusions, and even then, I urge that belief systems be saved for the proof. > > Also, there are some documents that seems to be > missing the end... : MJ12COM1.UFO > MJ12DOC1.UFO > and some more (???) Those documents are all there. The names of them do not indicate anything other than a naming scheme employed by the uploader. Hope this helps. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 2 Jun 90 19:32:00 GMT > JB>I never heard of Francie; maybe Jim Speiser will have that bit of > JB>gossip for us. Arcturus Books is at: P.O. Box 831383 Stone Mountain, > JB>Georgia 30083-0023. > > Hey thanks for the address John..And last time I looked Brad WAS > married to Francie..course she could have either dumped him or changed > her name..go figger :^) Brad and Frances Pascal Steiger were divorced about three years ago. Brad is now married to Sherrie Hansen Steiger, a very nice lady. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Jim.Speiser Subject: Fido UFO Date: 2 Jun 90 19:44:00 GMT > > All true Jim, but you know, I just HATE IT when I am blamed for > something that I did NOT do, and then to compound it, I get punished for > it. Think of it another way, Don....do you hate it as much when you are blamed by a small child who doesn't know any better, or do you just pat him on the head and write it off? That's the attitude I take, and condescending as it sounds, it works. :-) And I don't consider this ban "punishment" but rather emancipation! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky Subject: Re: PROJBETA.UFO Date: 2 Jun 90 16:33:03 GMT JP> Which one of these report can we beleive to be hoaxes and JP> which ones aren't? I'm especially interested in PROJBETA.UFO from JP> Dr. Paul Bennewitz and the many files from W. Cooper. JP> JP> Since I'm new in this, please tell me what I can resonably JP> beleive and what I should reject. This is a very good question. I'm rather new to Paranet, and I've been wondering about Cooper's stuff, too. I've heard plenty about Cooper being a real jerk, among other things, but I've never heard about his material. Or was it assumed that since he's a jerk he's also a liar? I'm not trying to defend Cooper in any way, I agree from what I've heard & seen here and in Fido UFO that he's basically and A**-hole, but I'm still interested in what he's said. Does anybody have proof either for or against Cooper's theories & revalations? Especially about his claim the JFK was shot by government agents. Thanx, Dan -- Daniel Wisnosky - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Daniel.Wisnosky@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51 Date: 2 Jun 90 17:46:16 GMT Our nuclear-powered subs aren't "incredible loud", so I don't see the problem with a nuclear powered aircraft. Some people have reported a humming noise when a UFO flew low overhead. A turbine engine could account for the "hum". Although I do admit that there are a lot of loopholes in this theory, nuclear power is one of the few ways I believe they could power an engine that silent. You hear a lot about the so-called "silent helecopters", but it is my understanding that even they put out between 50 -60 decibels; more than loud enough to hear on a fairly quiet evening. The only other possible explaination is some completely new technology that the government has let slip out yet. -- Tim Hamewka - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tim.Hamewka@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka Subject: Re: MAG-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 2 Jun 90 17:48:27 GMT If you get a hold of them, let me know. I've tried to call a couple of times, but the operator in Stone Mountain has no phone number listed for them and I've sent 3 letters and haven't heard from them yet. -- Tim Hamewka - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tim.Hamewka@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51 Date: 2 Jun 90 18:00:52 GMT One discrepancy I did notice in the B-2 article was that Mr. Gonsalves stated that "Without exception, from upwards of 20,000 witness reports we can determine that there is virtually a total absence of high performance characteristics in the UFO/B2-high speed, right angle turns, extreme acceleration, abrupt stops, and starts for example, etc." I just finished reading NIGHT SIEGE and according to the statistics at the back of the book, a small percentage of the witnesses DID report the craft moved slowly at first then accelerated rapidly. If my memory serves me, there was also a instance or two where the witness stated that the UFO went from overhead, to the distant horizon almost instantly. s -- Tim Hamewka - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tim.Hamewka@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner Subject: Inside Edition Date: 2 Jun 90 17:19:00 GMT Well, bemused or not, I wasn't really impressed with Bob Lazar's approach to this. Maybe the guv is hiding something, but the chances are that they aren't much more "in the know" than anyone on Paranet.... -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Kurt.Lochner Subject: Re: Inside Edition Date: 2 Jun 90 17:20:00 GMT The reporters said that Teller either didn't know Lazar or couldn't remember. Same thing that happened to Reagan....he couldn't remember anything incriminating either. Convenient memory losses such as this would certainly be intolerable to me though.... -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f204.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Robin.Gober Subject: black helicopters or shadow ships Date: 3 Jun 90 01:41:27 GMT on 24-may-90 7:46 am I wrote.. >For intance I read one about black helichopters. They seemed to think > They seemed to think that only answer could be that the government was behind them.(the black helicopters) Many people have seen the black ships but they don't come from the government. People talk abputthem making stranges sounds. Such as sounding like an airplane instead of a chopter. Also the have been seen up close and no sound was heard. In other words they are not our ships but rather their ships. These guys are the masters at misdireaction. Masters they may be, but if they have the technology to fly around in in gravity concontrolling saucers why would they drop back to helio technology? As to the noise, even as far back as 'Nam they had choppers that could run in silent mode and not make 20% the noise that a regular chopper made. The noise they made was ,mpore the drone of an airplane as opposed to the whop-whop- whop that is characteristic to choppers. 15 years later the technology is bound to have improved. But don't let me stop you from pointing this out in one of the paranet echos! I want to thank the ol' man for his input. I have done some checking and I have to agree with what he says about the choppter noise. But that is not the only reason that I don't think that all of these black ships are ours. To begin with they didn't trade down in technology. The use the black helicopters to "blend in" certain areas. But here is the interesting part. If they wanted to pass completly why use something so odd as a black ship? This is common with them,And I wil try to explain why. First some more notes about the shoips. The craft fly in such a manner as to draw attention to themsleves!(talk about hiding in plain sight!) Almost always the carft is spoted by someone who has had a close ewncounter of some kind. They almost always get a feeling that the craft is some how watching them. Yes often they think that it is the gorvenment watching them. The person who has had an encounter will somhow draw a connection between the ship and there encounter. Sometimes there will be an unusally large number of craft. A number of such a kind that it draws attention to itself. The government has many more important things to do than keep track of all the UFO wittness. If you were going to keep track of the witness I can think of many better ways. Some people think the government is trying to scare offthe witness. Well so far this hasn't work. Usally what the choppters do is make people mad enough to keep looking for answersl. You may wonder what the vistors get out of all of this. The answer to that is not fully known. One of the things I do when I am looking for answers to they tricksis ask myself what effect the act had on the witness. Well i am out of time I will try to finish the rest of this later. In the meantine any stories out there on the three guys in black/ the black car? Alright how about black animals. later....... -- Robin Gober - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Robin.Gober@p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka Subject: Bob Lazar Date: 3 Jun 90 08:05:16 GMT Well, according to today's issue of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Bob Lazar was charged with pandering in this recent prostitution thing and he could be looking at 5 years in the slammer. I don't really know how it's going to affect his credibility. I suppose that those who believed his story will continue to believe it, and the skeptics will claim that they have more wood for the fire. -- Tim Hamewka - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tim.Hamewka@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin Subject: Bob Lazar Date: 3 Jun 90 16:05:00 GMT > Well, according to today's issue of the Las Vegas Review- Journal, Bob > Lazar was charged with pandering in this recent prostitution thing and > he could be looking at 5 years in the slammer. I don't really know how > it's going to affect his credibility. I suppose that those who believed > his story will continue to believe it, and the skeptics will claim that > they have more wood for the fire. If it is not too much trouble, could you please type up the article and have Jeff Marsh net mail it to me? Thanks, Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Doug.Rogers Subject: Re: UFO Questionaire Date: 3 Jun 90 21:45:10 GMT Questionnaire response: 1. 3 - I wish there had been an "I'm not sure" response. 2. 1 - There's SOMETHING there we don't know 3. 1 - gimme a break 4. 1 - Too many Roswell type reports to buy this one 5. 3 - There are secret files for every other subject... why not UFO's 6. 1 - I personally know of two (2) who have 7. 4 8. 1 - So where did the ones we cannot explain away come from? 9. 2 - Too many telling the same sort of story 10. 4 - This has been testified by a number of "insiders" including Hynek himself. 11. 3 - Von Donyken not withstanding, this is possible, IMHO 12. 3 - Although I'm not sure who REALLY knows how much is currentl being spent. 13. 4 - Statistically ridiculous assumption. 14. 4 - There would be no "unknowns" were this the case 15. 3 - Or else there have been an AWFUL LOT of faked photos 16. 2 - This is another one where I'd really like to say "I'm no sure". 17. 4 - Or else we get a lot of disinformation here on the net 18. 1 - change "Examining" to "Covering up" and I'll agree 19. 1 20. 3 - I believe this to be so. It would certainly make this existance less lonely, were this the case. 21. 4 22. 1 - Yeah. And Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing JFK too. 23. 3 - I believe this to be the case 24. 4 25. 4 - as in knowing enough science to understand star drive. 26. 3 - at least not looking at the evidence. 27. 3 28. 1 - Check the blank spots in the docs released under FOI 29. 1 - At least not publicly 30. 2 What are UFO's? I have no idea. I am part of that great unwashed mass that believes that there is SOMETHING going on resulting in all of these reports... I just have no real idea what it is. My personal suspicion, spurred by nothing more than my impressions from what I have read and seen is that they are PROBABLY of extraterestrial origin. Their purpose is a mystery to me. That is why I am in Paranet. I'd like to know what we are able to find out. -- Doug Rogers - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Daniel.Wisnosky Subject: Re: Bob Lazar Date: 3 Jun 90 18:08:57 GMT TH> Well, according to today's issue of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Bob TH> Lazar was charged with pandering in this recent prostitution thing and TH> he could be looking at 5 years in the slammer. I don't really know how TH> it's going to affect his credibility. I suppose that those who believe TH> his story will continue to believe it, and the skeptics will claim tha TH> they have more wood for the fire. Tim, could ya please tell me what section & page that article is in? I'd like ta take a quick look at it. Thanx, Dan -- Daniel Wisnosky - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Daniel.Wisnosky@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka Subject: Re: black helicopters or shadow ships Date: 3 Jun 90 19:38:10 GMT On a recent field trip near the Groom's Lake area we did see at lot of black cattle. Wonder if this has any significance? -- Tim Hamewka - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tim.Hamewka@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paranet!f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Tim.Hamewka Subject: Re: Bob Lazar Date: 3 Jun 90 19:41:16 GMT I cut the article out but I don't know what page it was. I can tell you that it was towards the back, probably in the Nevada section. On the back of the article are some coupons for Lube N Tune, (I think). -- Tim Hamewka - via FidoNet node 1:209/722 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tim.Hamewka@f725.n209.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Shaffer Jr <72750.2335@compuserve.com> Subject: Hudson Valley Date: 4 Jun 90 07:17:59 GMT The discussion about the Hudson Valley craft possibly being some sort of government project is fascinating, but what about the issue of the abductions reported in the area in that time frame? 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