Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 264 Saturday, July 14th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed Triangular UFO? Re: Triangular UFO? Gulf Breeze Hoax? ZAPRUDER FILM Re: THEM (Bill Gorman) Triangular UFO Anything goes..... Mr Ed GB and conf Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS Re: Religious thread Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Re: Stealth/Area 51 Re: Fido UFO Re: Recent Developments Re: Inside Edition ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed Date: 17 Jun 90 02:21:00 GMT Don: What if Ed was inspired to pull off a UFO hoax by the very fact that, for over 15 years, UFOs had been sighted in the area? Once he gets the photos published in the paper, then any subsequent sightings of any UFOs are considered corroborative evidence of the authenticity of his case. Take a look at the "Current Case Log" section of the MUFON Journal and review the cases in the GB - Pensacola area. Read the physical descriptions of the objects and compare them to the objects in Ed's photos. How many really fit the same description? I would ignore, outright, anyone who says "I saw what Ed saw!" since he claimed to see a number of different types of objects. To give such a "description" is simply to say "me too!". I think Dr. Bruce has a lot more at stake in this case than Ed does. If it's ever exposed as a hoax, Macabee will end up looking like a real pinhead. Let's face it, he's already past the point of no return. He can't do a 180 on this case without hurting his credibility. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN.KOMAR@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (JOHN KOMAR) Subject: Triangular UFO? Date: 16 Jun 90 10:34:00 GMT > I need some information on any aircraft (known) that arranges its' > lights in a triangular configuration.... > > On June 9 I was driving home about 20 + miles from my house when I > observed a large craft that was outlined in at least 10 white lights in > a triangular figure. At the bottom was a blinking red light, on both > sides of the 'base' was 2 blinking lights, and on top, was what appeared > to be suspended blue light (blinking) that lit up the 'haze' in the air > around it. It flew silently overhead and just 'disappeared' a few miles > away. I estimated the object to be at least 100 ft. at the base and at > least 150 ft. long and app. 2000 feet in altitude. > > On June 10 another witness observed the same type UFO near my house but > this time with 4-5+ smaller lights in front of it and at least 1 > red/orange 'globe' of light following it as it headed to the south which > I observed. > > Thank you... > > Jerry Woody > > --- * QuickBBS 2.64 / Fd 1.99 * [RT] > * Origin: . Cullman, AL 205-739-1469 > (1:30163/24) Jerry, any new developments on this? Regards, John -- JOHN KOMAR - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: JOHN.KOMAR@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: Triangular UFO? Date: 16 Jun 90 18:25:00 GMT HH> Where would I find your file on debunking activities? I don't have one. Do you mean in relation to Gulf Breeze? Ed's book has a few, and my recent article for ParaNet lists a few more. I forget what filename Jim Speiser put on it, but he could tell you. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Gulf Breeze Hoax? Date: 17 Jun 90 03:58:00 GMT > From what I've been reading lately, I assume that most experts > are > in agreement that Gulf Breeze was a hoax, but I've only caught > bits and > pieces of the controversy. I don't think the experts are in any more agreement than they were before the model was found. BTW, I now understand a reporter asked the homeowner if he'd found a model *before* he told anyone. I recently wrote a story based on my interviews at NUFOC with Ed and Frances Walters and Bruce Maccabee. Included is a synopsis of all reported sightings in the Pensacola/Gulf Breeze area as gathered by Rex and Carol Salisbury of MUFON. It'll give you some background upon which you can reach your own conclusions. I sent the file to Jim Speiser, but I've completely forgotten what he named it. If you can't get ahold of it, let me know and I'll file-attach a copy to the board you call. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ea.Richards@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ea Richards) Subject: ZAPRUDER FILM Date: 17 Jun 90 01:48:30 GMT Pete, one of the interesting aspects of the Zapruder film is that Life magazine published two sets of frame prints: In the first printing, all frames were seen; in the second printing (of the same run), one or more frames were missing. It looked like the heavy hand of government reached into the Life press run and did its own editorializing.... (LBJ wanted to be president sooooo baddddd) -- Ea Richards - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ea.Richards@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.Carr@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Carr) Subject: Re: THEM (Bill Gorman) Date: 17 Jun 90 21:16:00 GMT I read an interesting fact today, evidently known to Anthropologists for some time now - that apes (Pongids) have brain sizes ("endocranial volume") proportional to the cube root of their body weights - i.e. Gorillas don't have brains all that much larger than Chimps, even though they're alot bigger. However, in the line of Human ancestors, brain volume goes up as the FIFTH POWER of the cube root of body weight. So... when we humans diverged from our ancestors, we really diverged bigtime. -- Paul Carr - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Carr@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick.Dell'Aquila@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Dell'Aquila) Subject: Triangular UFO Date: 18 Jun 90 05:31:00 GMT Jim Speiser is correct. We provided Bruce with a negative and print of a triangular object which was photographed near Lake Erie on the night of March 4, 1988 at approximately the same time that Coast Guard personnel and civilian witnesses reported several small triangular object emerging from a large football shaped object hovering over the lake. Bruce's analysis of the film indicated that it was not a flaw in the film, lens flare or other photographic imperfection, but an image of some object. Phil Imbrognio reported that the object was similar to the larger objects reported in the Hudson Valley. I would be happy tor provide further info on this to anyone who would like to contact me at P.O. Box 29163, Parma, Ohio 44129, or leave a message here for me. BTW--Thanks to Jim for correcting that misstatement. -- Rick Dell'Aquila - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Rick.Dell'Aquila@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt.Lochner@p100.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner) Subject: Anything goes..... Date: 17 Jun 90 05:51:39 GMT > (8) And now, this model. > > Short of a sworn confession, what more can you ask > for? You have to ask yourself, if Ed has a ready > explanation for the existence of a model in his attic, > and people believe it, what WOULD it take for people > to believe its a hoax? > > Jim And now, The Larch..... I have to say that Florida has an entire culture based on tourism, needless to point out more than once that this is a question(s) of economics. I have a friend back from Florida recently that commented that the entire community could benifit from tourism in this manner, who cares if it makes a buck? -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@p100.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Mr Ed GB and conf Date: 22 May 90 02:46:00 GMT PF> In a message of <18 May 90 21:19:00>, Don Allen (1:114/37) PF> writes: PF> PF> >Note to Paul Faeder: You've done a super job of patching things PF> >together..any chance of the central Fla area getting a more PF> >solid feed? It would sure be appreciated on *this* end. PF> PF> John and I have already been in contact and things PF> *should* be back in order by the time you get this. PF> PF> PF> --- QM v1.00 PF> * Origin: -==- (717)-588-7549 PF> 14.4K HST (1:268/102.0) Thanks..it was getting old that every time the "wind blew" we were losing our feed. I bet I spend a small fortune calling up SwampGas (grin). -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 22 May 90 03:41:01 GMT Hi all, I happenned to be in a local store when I spied a copy of the magazine called "UFO UNIVERSE" . I bought it and have read it now cover to cover. It was the July 1990 issue that featured a story on Dreamland/Lazar and other things.. This is the first time I have seen it and wanted to know what your thoughts were about the mag..like how *credible* is it? There was a big feature on Sedona written by Brad Steiger and an "exclusive" on the (alleged) UFO crash in South Africa written by Antonio Huneeus (it was fascinating!) How credible is Timothy Green Beckley (Mr UFO)? I thought the articles were OK but I have a hard time with all the "witchcraft" and various other lowlife ADS in the mag.. One of the more prominent ads was a full page spread of a plug for a book called "The Ultimate Deception" written by one "Commander X" (an individual alleged to be in the intelligence community writing under a cover name). Highlights of this book that purports to reveal the "truth": 1) "Insider" testimony of the landing of a spaceship at Muroc Air Force Base, witnessed by President Eisenhower. 2) How the recent end to the "cold" war was orchestrated. 3) The man who sits in prison accused of murder, who says while in the service he not only saw several alien bodies, but discovered the AIDS virus was manufactured as part of a chemical-biological warfare program. etc,etc,etc...At first glance,I thought maybe ole' Wild Bill has written a book (grin). The company that puts out this (and many other publications) is listed as: INNER LIGHT PUBLICATIONS BOX 753, NEW BRUNSWICK NEW JERSEY 08903 Has anyone ever heard of either this "book" or the publisher? I have to doubt the credibility of a magazine whenever I see ads like this,in my opinion. Comments? -Don Allen- -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg.Clawson@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Greg Clawson) Subject: Re: BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS Date: 22 May 90 06:07:18 GMT Ok, you wanted to know what I meant owhat your expelled from.. It's the fact that the "Jews" are a chosen race. God loved your fathers and promised them (If they kept the commandments given thru your fathers to do them), he would be with them. But, when they rejected Jesus they went to far and your race was expelled from being a Jewish nation not to far from Jesus's prophecy of the temple. That the temple would be destroyed and not one stone would be not thrown down, I believe this what he said. (Left one upon another?) Your fathers "deeds" are the expelling of prophets that were sent to them but some they stoned, beat up, killed! That is the deeds I am speaking about. And if you say that the Jews had nothing to do with "Jesus's" death, then why did they push the crowds to kill him. And if Jesus is the son of God, (an alien), who came from heaven, to die for mankind, and took upon himself our miserable form. Why would you say he wasnt the son of God when the effects after his death destroy the jewish testimony that Jesus was something other than the SON OF GOD? I can tell you when I call upon the name of Jesus, more so, that I pray in the name of Jesus, heaven falls down in spiritual form! And his blood is what I have "freely" to receive this. Jesus is the key, when you call upon his name, it works! It is hidden, because of evil men. Because of the "evil spiritual forces" in this world working against anything to do with Jesus. Why? Because if all of man would turn from evil ways then the moral seperation would be demolished. And God would reveal himself to you, or anybody else. I dont want to go any further but I stand to defend what I believe in. And that the Bible is a true account of Jewish history. Please forgive me if I went to far in your echo here. But, I think if you take a point of view that the Bible is dealing with Extra Terrestrial activity, then you could say I could speak of what this Extra Terrestrial did on this Earth. The misconceptions should be stopped about that anything to do with Jesus is a "Religion". It's not, its a way of life. And it's a communication between God and man thru the Holy Ghost which Speaks thru toungues or (other languages). Another manisfatation of God. An Extra Terrestrial force. And it is open to all to aquire this. You just have to ask. You don't even need to go to a church! Just find a place where nobody see's you or hear's you and ask God to reveal himself. Plead and ask. Say your a sinner born this way, and that you want to know the truth. And say your sorry that you have done what you have done in your life. And ask him to cover you with the blood of Jesus. And that you'll stop what you have been doing (evil). It works! IT's real! It's not magic but it's real!!! I've felt it. I'll never be the same. I am not the same man what I was. I lost a nature to do evil things. To hurt people! And I was reborn in my spirit. I never knew this was the truth unless I did what I just asked you to do. All you have to do after you get reborn is seek for the Sanctification Fire to clense you completely and ask for the Holy Ghost Baptism. That requires investigation into a church of "Penticostal" attributes. OK? Thats all. It dont disturb you here in any way that I said this. And if it did I will move on. Believe and you will receive! -* poof *- -- Greg Clawson - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Greg.Clawson@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg.Clawson@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Greg Clawson) Subject: Re: Religious thread Date: 22 May 90 06:48:43 GMT Ok, I'll move on now. Just read your message. As computer usage goes. :-) - Greg -- Greg Clawson - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Greg.Clawson@p0.f740.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 22 May 90 03:45:02 GMT > 3) The man who sits in prison accused of murder, who > says while in the service he not only saw several alien > bodies, but discovered the AIDS virus was manufactured > as part of a chemical-biological warfare program. I can just picture a squad of soldiers mounting an assault. ;-) > INNER LIGHT PUBLICATIONS > BOX 753, NEW BRUNSWICK > NEW JERSEY 08903 > > Has anyone ever heard of either this "book" or the publisher? I think Beckley is connected with the publishing company, or may be the publisher. As far as his credibility, I have no idea. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 29 May 90 01:07:00 GMT Don: I never heard of Francie; maybe Jim Speiser will have that bit of gossip for us. Arcturus Books is at: P.O. Box 831383 Stone Mountain, Georgia 30083-0023. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51 Date: 5 Jun 90 01:13:00 GMT Tim: The passage from Gonsalves' article which you quoted is exactly what I was talking about. I seem to recall a few other similar points on which he bases his hypothesis which were directly refuted by accounts reported in _Night Siege_. Additionally, there was the incident wherein a man employed by Perkin Elmer (who was involved in the construction of the space telescope) saw the HVUFO sitting on the ground. A Graylien then stopped his car, "abducted" him and examined the man's head with some type of machine onboard. There is just too much about the HVUFO events that must be ignored in order to accept the UFO/B2 hypothesis. Nevertheless, Bob Oeschsler (sp?) is also big on the UFO/B2 idea these days and it doesn't seem like the type of thing that will "blow over" very quickly. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Fido UFO Date: 5 Jun 90 01:18:00 GMT Don: I just can't justify spending lots of money to go to Florida in *JULY* ! So I'm saving all my money to go to the '91 MUFON symposium. Guess where it's going to be? 2 gallons of gas will get me there and back for both days. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Recent Developments Date: 5 Jun 90 01:56:00 GMT More recent developments: According to CUFOS, The TODAY show on NBC will be covering the Roswell crash on its July 7 show. They've already shot some interview footage. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt.Lochner@f42.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner) Subject: Re: Inside Edition Date: 5 Jun 90 17:39:00 GMT JD Was it clear from the article that Teller understood why he JD was being asked about Lazar and if so were there any JD questions to Teller concerning the goings on in Area 51? JD --- QuickBBS v2.61 [EVALUATION] JD * Origin: -==- ParaNet Zeta-Reticuli Scottsdale, JD AZ (1:114/37.0) No, it wasn't clear. They showed pieces of that interview, but they simply voiced over it. Nothing but an implied visit with Teller concerning Lazar, nothing to substantiate a court order about. >From the rest of the show, I've arrived at the conclusion that these craft that Lazar is yapping about are NOT using anything out of reach of our civilization's technology. Consider... 1. There have been reports of potassium chloride/chlorate around CE-III sitings. 2. Micheal Faraday used silver chloride with ammonia to provide some of the background work on heat powered refrigeration cycles. So here's what I'm thinking that these craft are powered by, and it seems needfully elegent. There's a hydrogen fueled heat source on board these craft. The heat output goes into a ammonia/water system fluid, expands into the flat plate. Within this flat plate there are several hundred impellers that are also magnetic. These magnets spin within a confined space surrounded by some kind of thin film conductors, provide electricity and have a different gyroscopic quality when considered as a whole system. The appendages/"waveguides" are nothing more than mechanical systems that appear to me to have something to do with the precessional forces present. outta time, write me back..... -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f42.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************