Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 266 Sunday, July 15th 1990 Today's Topics: GB evidence chain More GB More GB tidbits alien image video More GB.. Teller is loose again.. Re: More GB TV Hangar 18 Re: video Re: tidbits Re: tidbits Re: Teller Is Loose Again.. Re: Rep rips E.T. SETI funding cut More GB More GB Re: GB VIDEO Re: Ed Walters Mr Ed GB and conf Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Re: Recent Developments Re: ILL BREEZE Re: More GB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: GB evidence chain Date: 11 Jul 90 17:36:01 GMT JF> Now can we at least narrow this down a little???? Orlando. JF> .is it REALLY a model. It's a nice-looking saucer model, according to the photo of it I saw. However, it's in effect a one-floor version of a two-floor saucer, if you understand what I mean. A few other details didn't match either. Plus the materials it was made from didn't exist until about two years later. I think we should forget about the model, other than to speculate who planted it. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: More GB Date: 11 Jul 90 17:38:02 GMT JF> This is the sort of proof I mean. FYI, the man who Ed drew the house plans for has confirmed publicly and in writing that the house wasn't even a gleam in his eye in 1987. Also, there were notes written in his wife's handwriting on the paper. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: More GB Date: 11 Jul 90 18:36:03 GMT > Well, there are newspapers and there are newspapers. The Gulf > Breeze Sentinel is a newspaper, but the Pensacola News-Journal > is of a bit higher caliber, and I'd like to think that they are > just a bit above doing such a thing. From my reading of Florida Today, another Gannett paper in Al Neuharth's hometown, for several years, I don't get very excited about the caliber of the Pensacola News-Journal. Personal opinion, mind you. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: tidbits Date: 11 Jul 90 18:52:04 GMT I'll mention a few little tidbits gleaned at the symposium now and post more info later....... Pensacola MUFON has received 294 sighting reports from more than 250 different people, not including Ed. Budd Hopkins inadvertently found independent confirmation of Ed's objects and parts of his story. Witness is a four-year-old girl in North Carolina. Stan Friedman has apparently rather well authenticated three of the MJ-12 papers. Cost Phil Klass $1000. Zan Overall's "ghost photo" double-exposure theory has been shot down. The model has been shot down. Someone killed the power at the Pensacola Civic Center during Ed's presentation. Confirmed by management. Wonder who? Someone inflated a hot-air balloon in the parking lot at the Civic Center shortly after midnight one night, but then deflated it and packed it up. Sounds like a Klass act that didn't come off, but I didn't see Phil out there. One person had a sighting over Pensacola Beach Friday night, and a group saw something and took pictures Saturday night. No other info yet. The Pensacola News-Journal is running a Fake UFO Photo contest. And I didn't see anything. ;-( jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: alien image Date: 11 Jul 90 19:07:05 GMT I heard something about a case in which an alien face image appeared on a man's tv set while he was watching tv, and the image still remains. Don't know any other details. If anyone's looking into this, I know how to hoax it, but it would require sacrificing the tv set. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: video Date: 11 Jul 90 19:10:06 GMT I couldn't get Maccabee to hold still long enough, but I did manage to corner Walt Andrus and ask him about the video. He said that as far as he knew the only report appears in last month's MUFON journal. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: More GB.. Date: 12 Jul 90 01:00:00 GMT JH> Stan Friedman has apparently rather well authenticated three of the MJ-12 papers. Cost Phil Klass $1000. @ Hoo boy! I love it..I'd wish I coulda seen the sour look on Klass's face when he wrote out the check! hahahhehehehohohoh....GUFFAW -Don Allen- -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Teller is loose again.. Date: 12 Jul 90 01:13:00 GMT I found this old newspaper recently while I was cleaning up. This article seemed to jump right out at me when I glanced through. I typed it in as-is: ------------------------------------------------------------------ NUKE HURRICANES,TELLER PROPOSES ------------------------------- Oakland,Calif. Dateline June 9,1990 Edward Teller suggested Thursday that nuclear bombs might be used to prevent killer hurricanes such as Hugo, which rampaged through the Caribbean and South Carolina last year,killing at least 57 people. When conditions in the Atlantic Ocean are right for the formation of hurricanes, the heat generated by well placed nuclear explosions could trigger several small hurricanes-- rather than waiting for nature to build one large one, he said. Teller,82, who has been called the father of the H-bomb and who has been coming up with unconventional uses for nuclear explosives for four decades, spoke to the Rotary Club of Oakland. The physicist, who sometimes has been accused of exaggerating the potential of research, stressed Thursday that his ideas on hurricanes were only speculation. "Perhaps,perhaps,perhaps," these things could be done, he said. "Unless we know what we're doing, it would be like performing surgery without knowledge of anatomy." But Peter Felsch, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Redwood City, was skeptical. "The whole idea seems pretty far-fetched to me. You can't control the course of a hurricane once it's going." ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmmmm..kinda makes me feel like the old guy has hit the button once too many times. Scary. -Don Allen- -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robin.Gober@p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robin Gober) Subject: Re: More GB Date: 11 Jul 90 08:07:39 GMT This might offer an answer to some of the debunkers and why they are the way they are. I had some contact encounters when I was a young boy,at about the age of 11 when the information was too much for me I had a "Reaction Fromation" this my therapist tells me is what happenes sometimes when you don't want to believe something. I became a "Die Hard" debunker. I lived for the times I could draw people out into my subject area and then I would demand proof. As long as I could find any,I mean any reason to doubt I went with it. The reason being that in my mind I thought that if I allowed myself to believe the information would destroy me. Debunking became a life or death issue for me. You can guess my surpise when my menory started coming back about two years ago. I feel a lot of shame for the hard times I gave people. I am not saying this fits all debunkers,it doesn't but I do feel that it does cover a few. thanks -- Robin Gober - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Robin.Gober@p0.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.White@f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul White) Subject: TV Date: 12 Jul 90 21:42:00 GMT I got a copy of UFO Cover Up LIVE from the TV a couple of months ago after reading the Gulf Breeze Sightings I saw Ed and His Wife sitting in the front row of the audience. Nothing much other than that. -- Paul White - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.White@f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dream.Weaver@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dream Weaver) Subject: Hangar 18 Date: 12 Jul 90 16:19:26 GMT I watched 'hangar 18' on WGN Chicago last night and due to the intro lines about thanks to people coming forward the 'Story' could now be told. Does anyone know how much of that was for real and how much was 'artistic' license. I don't think they 'the government' would get so exited about a alien spacecraft since they were supposed to have had one since 1947 and live aliens also. Marion E. Cox lexington, Ky -- Dream Weaver - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Dream.Weaver@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar) Subject: Re: video Date: 12 Jul 90 10:37:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <07-11-90 12:10> John Hicks wrote: JH=> I couldn't get Maccabee to hold still long enough, but I JH=>did manage to corner Walt Andrus and ask him about the JH=>video. He said that as far as he knew the only report JH=>appears in last month's MUFON journal. JH=> jbh John, I just missed you at the symposium! Madeline saw you, shouted to me, but I was too late! You had a purple striped shirt on. Oh well, maybe next one.. Regards, John -- John Komar - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar) Subject: Re: tidbits Date: 12 Jul 90 10:40:00 GMT In a message to all <07-11-90 11:52> John Hicks wrote: JH=> I'll mention a few little tidbits gleaned at the JH=>symposium now and post more info later....... JH=> One person had a sighting over Pensacola Beach Friday JH=>night, and a group saw something and took pictures Saturday JH=>night. No other info yet. Hmm. we were on Gulf Breeze beach that night, but didn't see anything. Must have been the sand dune. Regards, John -- John Komar - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: tidbits Date: 13 Jul 90 06:32:00 GMT John -- re: the gossip you heard to the effect that Stan Friedman authenticated 3 of the MJ12 documents at a cost to Klass of $1000. This appears to be a wild distortion of what was reported here and elswhere quite a while ago. What actually happened was that Klass claimed that the "Truman letter" had to be a forgery because the type style exhibited in the letter didn't come into use until quite a few years later. Friedman bet Klass $1000 (or - more likely Klass said he would pay $1000 to anyone who could prove him wrong). Friedman searched thru the Truman library and found a number of letters written *before* the "Truman letter" in the same type style. Klass then paid him the $1000. The fact that this story got so screwed up by the symposium rumor mill casts quite a bit of doubt on the other "tidbits". (Although the power going out on Ed is a more likely story. -- Probably the work of Hynek's ghost! :-) ) -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank.Cox@f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Frank Cox) Subject: Re: Teller Is Loose Again.. Date: 13 Jul 90 07:48:00 GMT I think you have to consider all the variables in such things as this. First, American journalism is notorious for exaggerating minoe details to fit a commercial product. Every news organization in this country is controlled by a businessman who is looking to make a profit and though they may put the news director or editor on the stand to defend their position, if they don't sell papers or commercials, they're on the road. Second, Teller would have to classified as a genius regardless of how anyone feels about his work and he simply could have been doing calculations and theorizing while talking to a group. It's called brainstormimg and every creative person or team does it. Some aspexts may sound bizzare or crazy but very important and worthwhile things have come from such efforts. Finally, I don't really believe Teller has any notion of exploding H-bombs over hurricanes, but then again he probably has designed some matter/energy converters that could work very well. After all, the things he did forty years ago are still unknown to most of us and here we are forty years later! -- Frank Cox - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Frank.Cox@f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: postmaster@scicom.alphacdc.com From: uunet!sparta!esanborn (Edward Sanborn) Subject: Re: Rep rips E.T. Date: 14 Jul 90 03:20:10 GMT John Burke & Mike Corbin, Thanks, guys, for the support. I just returned from the MUFON SYMPOSIUM in Pensacola and I'm trying to tackle the 15 million item list of 'Things To Do'. You know what I mean? So, I was delighted to here/read the support from Paranet on this Representative Conte business. The following is an article I picked up off of the USENET newsgroup sci.space: -------------- -+From: gwh@earthquake.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro Subject: SETI funding cut Summary: House of Representatives cuts SETI to zero funding. Message-ID: <37441@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: 6 Jul 90 21:08:52 GMT Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: gwh@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 24 [paraphrased from an article in San Fransisco Chronicle] The House of Representatives cut all funding for the SETI project in next year's budget. Following a tirade by Rep. Ronald K. Machtley, R-R.I. and Rep. Silvio O. Conte, R-Mass., the funding was cut from 6.1 million (NASA has asked for 12.1) to zero. The house action was preceded by a presentation of tabloid alien articles and a reference to the SCOTI: Search for COngressional Intelligence . The only hope is that the Senate, which has yet to vote on the matter, will restore funds, and the conference budget will override the house funding halt. The SETI people at NASA-Ames, and Frank Drake (UC Santa Cruz astronomer, one of the driving forces in SETI programs) were upset, Drake refering to the congress' members acting in 'juvenile' ways. == George William Herbert == 'Well, if an outraged Canadian terrorist was == JOAT for Hire: Anything, == *** to come down and assasinate Quayle, what =======Anywhere, My Price.======= ****** would happen?' -history prof _trying_ == gwh@ocf.berkeley.edu == ************* to explain why WW I started... == ucbvax!ocf!gwh == The OCF Gang: Making Tomorrow's Mistakes Today -------------- Well, there you are. Having just returned I'm going to be busy in the next few days with my local group but I will be putting a package together ASAP to be sent to Conte, Machtley, and anyone else that I found out that voted the SETI program down. Mind you I suppose this ultimately is a step in the right(?) direction if all the UFO research is correct but the grounds that the House is using to desolve the funds are totally based on uninformed opinion. Agree? Let me restate for clarity. If the E.T. theory is correct (Roswell/Valentiche/etc.) then we're probably wasting the taxpayers money on a SETI project. However, the House is concluding that there's nothing to it and it is just a big fat waste of time and money. AAAGGGGGHHH!!! Boy this stuff makes my blood boil. The real thing that is upsetting is that once again UFO's and aliens are made to look like tabloid material. Mike, what about for starters on this 'Estimate of the Situation' (which by the way I'm happy to see instigated) using Bob Bletchman's 4-page Q & A paper entitled 'Exposing the Ultimate Secret - The Case for a Congressional Inquiry'. Granted this would be just a start. I'll contact Bob to let him know about the idea and the deadline. Bob, BTW, is MUFON's Public Relations Director. Let me know if you don't have a copy of the paper, if you don't I'll fax it to you. Also, Don Schmitts made a heck of a presentation on his collaborative effort with Kevin Randle on Roswell. Alot of confirmation was done trying to isolate themselves from Bill Moore and his disinformation business. I unfortunately don't have the time or memory right now to go into the details of his findings but there worth checking out. The model found in Ed Walter's old house has been proven to have been created out of architectural renderings by Ed himself two years after the photos were taken. I have the Sentinel article and will type it in for the masses soon. I also have the Pensacola News-Journal's front page coverage of the Symposium in which they were very favorable to Ed and Frances' talk. They also made the closest thing to a retraction of the model/hoax article by printing Ed's statement about the models creation by drawings made after the photos. Anyone who attended the Symposium session which featured Ed and Frances' talk had to feel the emotion displayed by them and while watching I felt very empathetic to there presentation. Far from being smooth/slick and self-assured that they'd just pulled off the greatest hoax ever, the Walter's were very human and spent the better part of there discussion deal- ing with all of the, to coin a phrase, 'noisy negativists' claims including the 'ghost picture'. He claims it was just a trick of flash bounce or reflective image. He was joined on stage by Bruce Maccabee to help explain that and the double exposure issues. Though I've met Ed, like him and his wife, support them very much, I still need time to carefully digest the evidence and try and strive for objectivity. Take care everyone. More to follow later... --- Edward A. Sanborn Mass. Mufon State Director 8 Johnson Rd. esanborn@sparta.uucp Chelmsford, Ma. 01824 H# (508) 256-9377 W# (508) 937-1600 P.S. Yes, Mike I'm still very much interested in being a node. I tried to spend time with John Komar at the Symp. but we could't connect. Will try and talk to him and you later on this. Have to go for now but I'll talk later. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: More GB Date: 11 Jul 90 06:20:00 GMT > I hate to quote so much,but my question is when do you stop hoaxing the > hoaxes.....It's gotten so convoluted my score card has a hole from all > the erasures...... > Jym Fox > Hahaha!! Beautiful. I wish I'd read this message earlier tonight...Hal Starr was on KFYI at 9PM, talking UFOs. The host, Earl Baldwin, is known to be sold on the GB affair, and Hal is taking a middle of the road position. I had a long discussion with Hal earlier today on the phone, in which I ticked off the negative points of the case. Hal thinks its entirely possible that Phil Klass either planted the model, or knew about it being planted. I wish I could have given him your score card line at that time.... -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: More GB Date: 11 Jul 90 06:21:00 GMT > This is the sort of proof I mean. Something that would be checked. I > know I'm gonna be late in asking this but has anyone in GB or ANYwhere > in the vicinity got a computer that could keep us informed of what IS > going on from a local perspective??? God knows they'd get a response > . Not to many wall flowers on this echo,are there..... > Jym > There is a Ray Griffin that checks in once in a while... -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: GB VIDEO Date: 13 Jul 90 04:32:00 GMT > So meanwhile back at the ranch... I have looked at the GB videos that > are available, I only have limited access to the numerous photos, and > something is really wrong with the whole thing. I wish I could see the > whole photo collection and then make a valid decision. From what I have > seen it looks like a lamp reflection on glass or an image transmitted > into the lens at the same time a photo is made by refraction. Like I > said I wish I could see more. Something like Night Siege means more than > someone who can get photos at will. Guess I have to wait and see when > someone finally comes up with the first ever good photo/video of a UFO > which is not suspicious in nature. Apparently someone had a whole bunch of messages tied up for a couple of months and just sent them out, so I'm just getting this. Fortunately, not much has changed since you wrote it. The GB photos still look wrong, I still think a reflection technique was used, and there is still no proof either way. As to a good photo/video which is not suspicious in nature, I refer you to the latest International UFO Reporter from CUFOS, in which they explore a photo from Hawaii and its incredible resemblance to the Kanazawa video shot 15 years later. Neither has had any suspicions raised about them at all. No blue beams, no Spanish-speaking aliens, no tell-tale lens flares, no ghost photos, no forged checks, no youthful joyrides, no discrepancies between subject and background, no models in attics, no confessions, no anonymous supporters... just good, solid evidence. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Ed Walters Date: 13 Jul 90 05:24:00 GMT > According to Myers, the current resident came to the newspaper with > the model, saying that he "never would have found it" if he hadn't been > remodeling the house. Uh, wait, John, I don't think that's true. I spoke with Myers briefly a couple of weeks ago, and he confirmed that he did go to the house and ask if any models were found. He firmly denied that he was acting on a tip, however. He said it was just one of those serendipitous things, you know, "well, as a matter of fact I DID find a model..." Where did you hear that the owner went to the newspaper? Just curious. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Mr Ed GB and conf Date: 13 Jul 90 05:25:00 GMT > Thanks..it was getting old that every time the "wind blew" we > were losing our feed. I bet I spend a small fortune calling up > SwampGas (grin). But of course it was worth it, right? :-> -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 13 Jul 90 05:32:00 GMT Don: UFO UNIVERSE is basically 80% hype, with a few decent writers and ufologists, such as Antonio and Phil Imbrogno. I say this without disdain, as I have recently come to like and respect Tim Beckley as a friend and as a surprisingly honest guy - "Hey, people pay for this stuff, should I not take the money?" For better or for worse, he sells a LOT of magazines, and a LOT of ad space, to whoever wants to pay for it. He then pays people to write for his magazine. And for better or for worse, money talks. I'm glad SOMEONE is paying Antonio to write for them. He's a professional writer, he lives a spartan life, and he is a damned outstanding ufologist. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Recent Developments Date: 13 Jul 90 05:36:00 GMT > More recent developments: According to CUFOS, The TODAY show on NBC > will be covering the Roswell crash on its July 7 show. They've already > shot some interview footage. -- John Shoot, missed it. Did anyone watch? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE Date: 13 Jul 90 05:44:00 GMT > JS]>EXTRA! EXTRA! GULF BREEZE HOAX UNRAVELS!!!! > JS]>In a series of shocking developments, the Gulf Breeze case, > JS]>touted as "The Most Astounding Wave of Sightings in US > JS]>History," has been positively shown to be a hoax. The > > What of the other 100+ people that have seen the UFO over Gulf Breeze? > I've just spoken with the Supreme Commander, and while I still think Ed's pulling a fast one, there apparently IS a lot more to this case. Its kinda like the Universe - its more mystical than we can imagine. Something is going on down there. Theory: The Control Group somehow knew in advance that there would be a period of heightened UFO activity in the Pensacola/Gulf Breeze area. They thought that if enough reports came out, the media attention would be too closely focused, a risk they weren't willing to take. So they set up a "false flag" case, one that debunkers could point to and say, "see, its all much ado about nothing." Could Ed be working for the Feds? Just a theory, folks. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: More GB Date: 13 Jul 90 06:08:00 GMT > This might offer an answer to some of the debunkers and why they are the > way they are. I had some contact encounters when I was a young boy,at > about the age of 11 when the information was too much for me I had a > "Reaction Fromation" this my therapist tells me is what happenes > sometimes when you don't want to believe something. I became a "Die > Hard" debunker. I lived for the times I could draw people out into my > subject area and then I would demand proof. As long as I could find any, > I mean any reason to doubt I went with it. The reason being that in my > mind I thought that if I allowed myself to believe the information would > destroy me. Debunking became a life or death issue for me. You can guess > my surpise when my menory started coming back about two years ago. I > feel a lot of shame for the hard times I gave people. I am not saying > this fits all debunkers,it doesn't but I do feel that it does cover a > few. thanks Robin: Can you give me some more details on your "former life" as a debunker? Were you a member of any groups? Did you take Skeptical Inquirer? I've always been fascinated by the psychology of neo-skepticism - not the laid-back, show-me types who are generally open-minded, but the rah-rah-CSICOP, we'll-show-those-fuzzy-thinking-slobs-who's-smarter types. (no offense!) I guess I want to understand how their mind works, in order to find the best way to reach them. I've also always wondered if there were any converts who had belonged to official skeptics groups - so far I've encountered nary a one. 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