Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 267 Monday, July 16th 1990 Today's Topics: Tidbits Mag-> Ufo Universe Re: Rep Rips E.t. The Record GB evidence chain Traffic More GB Re: video Re: tidbits Radar track New Book Re: Recent Developments Re:Hangar 18. Mr Ed GB and conf Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Re: Teller Is Loose Again.. Re: tidbits GB evidence chain Traffic GB debate Overall refuted Re: video Re: tidbits Re: More GB ILL BREEZE Re: TIDBITS Re: Ill Breeze ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Tidbits Date: 14 Jul 90 23:44:00 GMT > Someone killed the power at the Pensacola Civic Center > during Ed's presentation. Confirmed by management. Wonder > who? I know who did this and why...it was for the sensationalism and for future releases about the mysterious "UFO Occupants." Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Mag-> Ufo Universe Date: 14 Jul 90 23:47:00 GMT > paying Antonio to write for them. He's a professional > writer, he lives a spartan life, and he is a damned > outstanding ufologist. I am curious as to what Antonio's credentials are and what makes him so outstanding? Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Rep Rips E.t. Date: 14 Jul 90 23:49:00 GMT To: Edward Sanborn > Mike, what about for starters on this 'Estimate of the > Situation' (which > by the way I'm happy to see instigated) using Bob > Bletchman's 4-page > Q & A paper entitled 'Exposing the Ultimate Secret - The > Case for a > Congressional Inquiry'. Granted this would be just a > start. I'll contact > Bob to let him know about the idea and the deadline. Bob, > BTW, is MUFON's > Public Relations Director. Let me know if you don't have a > copy of the > paper, if you don't I'll fax it to you. Let me know on this ASAP. I am getting material ready, and thanks. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: The Record Date: 15 Jul 90 01:44:00 GMT AN OPEN LETTER TO WALTER ANDRUS, INTERNATIONAL DIRECTOR, MUFON (MUTUAL UFO NETWORK) July 14, 1990 Dear Walt, I was alerted to a comment which you made in the June issue of the MUFON Journal where you stated that I have moved three times in a short period of time and that, "instability of this nature is not conducive to consistent and reliable communication..." concerning ParaNet Information Service. In the interest of promoting consistent and reliable communication, I wish to state for the record the inaccuracy of your statement. My recent personal moves have nothing to do with ParaNet in that ParaNet is not dependent upon my being in one place to assure its integrity and reliability. My personal problems should never have been brought into this picture as they are not germain to this issue. However, since you felt it necessary, for perhaps political reasons, to bring it into the picture, I will explain what took place and how it has never threatened or breached the integrity of the ParaNet network. I was the owner of a successful real estate brokerage in Denver. However, as most people know, the Denver economy has suffered serious setbacks. I was struck with this peril and could not continue in business. After earning a fairly comfortable income over the years, I found it immediately necessary to make some adjustments to my lifestyle to assure my continued ability to live. Unfortunately, it took a serious toll on me, and required that I consider the possibility of relocating to another city to make a living. I received a job offer to host a talk show in Las Vegas, and after careful consideration, I decided to move there. Once in Nevada, I found it totally unacceptable to my lifestyle and I decided to move on. Thus, I moved to Los Angeles where I have found a good job and have been able to settle into my own home after being on the go since early March. Shortly after my move from Denver, Paul Faeder, ParaNet's Director of Network Development, assumed the duties of mail hubbing and the flow of information continued in my absence. During this time that I was in absentia, the network continued normal business while I operated and performed administrative duties from a network point system. At no time was the integrity or the success of ParaNet in any jeopardy, and clearly my decision to move was not a factor in any of this. The "threat" was ill-perceived by only a few ParaNet members, and quickly dispelled when Paul began mail hubbing. I have arrived at the conclusion that you were either fed incorrect information or you simply misunderstand the operation of a network of this kind. If it is the first reason, John Komar was fully aware of the continued operation of ParaNet and should have informed you of the status since he was communicating with you on a regular basis. As the Director of ParaNet, I have enjoyed my relationship with MUFON and feel that your organization is a valuable outlet of information. However, I do not feel that our efforts should be viewed as competitive as you appeared to be inferring in your commentary. It is not my desire to point out MUFON's inconsistencies and shortcomings, and I feel that you took advantage of my personal tragedies to downplay the importance of ParaNet's purpose in the UFOlogical community. For this, I would hope that you would correct your comments in the upcoming journal. I see that we have important functions independent of each other while acting in a collective effort to bring as many people together in an open forum for the exchange of information regardless of their membership status in one group over another. This is the sole reason that I consented to the electronic link between ParaNet and MUFON. I do not view it as a means whereby MUFON can attract ParaNet participants for an exclusive MUFON network. That is totally counterproductive as ParaNet has successfully demonstrated its ability to provide that open forum. Is there a need for two distinct entities performing the same function? I say no, and further that something of this nature only serves to further confuse the information already flowing by forcing people to go to two sources. It is ParaNet's intention to avoid providing editorial control over the data available and because we are not a professional research organization we can handle our tasks without charges of conflict of interest and the serving of one particular purpose. We investigate and report about everything, not just what one group or another is doing. I do hope that we can move forward and put this difference behind us as I feel that UFOlogical research matters are more important than infighting and back-biting. With respect to my membership fee, the money is on its way to you in the mail together with a little extra to compensate for the inconvenience caused on the first check. I certainly hope that this has not caused a problem. In the meantime, ParaNet still has a Las Vegas mailing address pending the arrangement of a California post office box. We also have a new set of telephone numbers. They are: ParaNet Information Service Michael Corbin P.O. Box 87797 Las Vegas, NV 89193-7797 [714]982-2254 Voice & FAX [714-985-0666 Data Respectfully, Michael Corbin Director ParaNet Information Service -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jym.Fox@f13.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jym Fox) Subject: GB evidence chain Date: 12 Jul 90 14:23:02 GMT John, but who has seen the model and held it in their hot little hands???? Jym -- Jym Fox - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jym.Fox@f13.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Traffic Date: 12 Jul 90 19:43:33 GMT In a message to All <29 Jun 90 22:51:00> Jim Speiser wrote: JS> was written by Bruce Maccabee. Has his work on the Gulf Breeze case JS> made anyone suspicious of his work on other cases? Depends on how JS> you view Gulf Breeze, I guess. I'm just trying to get things stirred JS> up here. And let's not see all the same hands.... I "view" Gulf Breeze as the sleepy little oversized Sand-bar which decided to get their name pencilled in on the maps one year. Problem is, they are now stuck with something that won't go away, so they are forced to keep up the appearances to maintain some semblence of credibility. Please, no flame. But I do get a bit tired of their tricks at tourism, IMHO. -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner) Subject: More GB Date: 12 Jul 90 23:37:00 GMT It's good you now have a change of perception... I believe that the best viewpoint to take is a neutral stance.. no absolutes.. What I mean is listen to what the pro-UFO people say, listen to what the skeptics say, and weigh the possibilities of each... As of now I have no proof or anything to say "UFO's are real craft made by aliens and theyre abducting us", but considering how many reports and how much information has come in, the probability is pretty high that there ARE aliens. -- Tyson Mitchiner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: video Date: 13 Jul 90 19:12:00 GMT > John, I just missed you at the symposium! Madeline saw you, > shouted to me, but I was too late! You had a purple striped > shirt on. Oh well, maybe next one.. I wanted to meet you too. I spent so much time looking at nametags I didn't see many faces. ;-) jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: tidbits Date: 13 Jul 90 19:13:01 GMT > Hmm. we were on Gulf Breeze beach that night, but didn't see > anything. Must have been the sand dune. I understand Friday night's sighting was around 02:30 and Saturday night's was about 04:30. No other info. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Radar track Date: 13 Jul 90 19:32:02 GMT From a wire article in the Orlando Sentinel 7/13/90........ BRUSSELS, Belgium - The Belgian Air Force has joined scores of Belgians befuddled by hundreds of UFO sightings across night skies in recent months. Two air force F-16 jet fighters used their radar screens to track an object that, according to a military official, "exceeded the limits of conventional aviation." Belgian Air Force Col. Wilfried de Brouwer said Wednesday the UFO dived from about 10,000 to 4,000 feet in two seconds. At the same time, it increased its speed from 600 to 1,100 miles an hour. ### jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: New Book Date: 14 Jul 90 20:24:00 GMT Dr. Richard Haines is coming out with a new book in a couple of months, titled "Advanced Aerial Devices Reported During the Korean War." Haines says its exhaustively researched, and knowing his work, I believe it. The publisher is taking advance orders now at the following address: LDA Publications PO BOX 880 Los Altos 94023-0880 The cost is $9.50 + 1.25 S/H within the United States. Please be sure and mention ParaNet when ordering. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson) Subject: Re: Recent Developments Date: 16 Jul 90 04:26:00 GMT Jim, Another question. How could I get the title of book, etc, of the Randle (sp?) study of the Roswell case? I'am also trying to locate a copy of 'Night Siege', any comments on either case, and or information for locating sources would be most welcome. P.S. Under the topic of general information- According to William Burrows in 'Deep Black', a KH-11 spy satellite has a resolution a acouple inches from approx. 100 miles up. Steve -- Steve Peterson - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly) Subject: Re:Hangar 18. Date: 16 Jul 90 04:51:00 GMT I thought that the Hangar 18 incident was based on the 1947 Roswell New Mexico UFO,i liked the movie Darren Mc gaven was in it as i recall. Mike Keithly -- Mike Keithly - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mike.Keithly@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Mr Ed GB and conf Date: 15 Jul 90 06:37:00 GMT JS> > Thanks..it was getting old that every time the "wind blew" we JS> > were losing our feed. I bet I spend a small fortune calling up JS> > SwampGas (grin). JS> JS> But of course it was worth it, right? :-> JS> AHA!!! This is an *old* posting... You have just proved what I've long suspected..That the FEED out of the state of Florida is being delayed somewheres. Either that or you *just* got the message yourself. Look at the date on the header of that message Jim and tell me how _old_ is it. I posted that at _least_ a coupla months ago. JS> But of course it was worth it, right? :-> Sure and it'll be more worth it when I get my hands on a 9600! -Don Allen- -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 15 Jul 90 06:41:01 GMT JS> Don: JS> JS> UFO UNIVERSE is basically 80% hype, with a few decent JS> writers and ufologists, such as Antonio and Phil Imbrogno. JS> I say this without disdain, as I have recently come to like JS> and respect Tim Beckley as a friend and as a surprisingly JS> honest guy - "Hey, people pay for this stuff, should I not JS> take the money?" For better or for worse, he sells a LOT of JS> magazines, and a LOT of ad space, to whoever wants to pay JS> for it. He then pays people to write for his magazine. And JS> for better or for worse, money talks. I'm glad SOMEONE is JS> paying Antonio to write for them. He's a professional JS> writer, he lives a spartan life, and he is a damned JS> outstanding ufologist. JS> JS> Jim JS> I see your point about Beckley. "commander ufo" As for Antonio..he may have gotten in over his head with the South African UFO story he authored. I've since heard many others tell me that it was quite bogus. I have the article he wrote. Seems like it was based on lots of third party info. -Don Allen- -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Re: Teller Is Loose Again.. Date: 15 Jul 90 07:13:02 GMT FC>I think you have to consider all the variables in such things as this. First, American journalism is notorious for exaggerating minoe details to fit a commercial product. Every news organization in this country is controlled by a businessman who is looking to make a profit and though they may put the news director or editor on the stand to defend their position, if they don't sell papers or commercials, they're on the road. While I would agree in principle with this..the article in question was/is a "filler" that was relegated to the backwaters of the fluff part of the paper (Orlando Sentinel) that carries movie ads,society "news" and other real heady stuff, so I don't see any connection there with any editors/writors trying to slant a story..I think it was just dropped in to fill an otherwise empty space. I just found it amusing... The piece wasn't even written by a member of the Sentinel staff,as you will note at the top of the article it was a wirepiece from Knight-Ridder. FC>Second, Teller would have to classified as a genius regardless of how anyone feels about his work and he simply could have been doing calculations and theorizing while talking to a group. Very possibly..but are you sure we're talking about the same guy? This is the same guy who believes actively in doing nuclear testing, no MATTER what the rest of the world is doing to lessen tensions or beat the swords into plows..don't get me started on Teller now...I'm not saying that he's NOT a genius..but I would have to question his -judgement- at making such a statement to a ROTARY CLUB ON RECORD. The guy's solution to everything it seems is to push the button. I won't bore you with _other_ details of Teller. Let others here fill you in. The posting was meant to be in humour with all the vets here on the net, who are more than well aquainted with Dr Teller's record. My personal opinion of his remarks is that it shows just how much out-of_step he really is with reality. Unfortunately, although people here on the net will realize the article for the humorous content that it was...some memebers of that Rotary Club (and don't forget the meteorologist mentioned) probably took him _seriously_. This is the guy who the phrase "How I stopped worrying and learned how to love THE BOMB" was made FOR. -Don Allen- -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: tidbits Date: 14 Jul 90 18:10:00 GMT > John -- re: the gossip you heard to the effect that Stan > Friedman authenticated 3 of the MJ12 documents at a cost to > Klass of $1000. Not gossip. Straight out of Stan Friedman's report. By authenticated I mean he disproved the signature copy idea, disproved the typestyle objection, and found many other links that support the three documents in question. None of the things I mentioned were gossip or rumor in any way. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: GB evidence chain Date: 14 Jul 90 18:13:01 GMT > John, but who has seen the model and held it in their hot > little hands???? So far as I know, the finder, the newspaper people, and the various MUFON investigators. Pictures of it as published in the News-Journal were seen many times. Ed even showed a slide of their attempt to make a ufo photo in his presentation. Close, but no cigar. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Traffic Date: 14 Jul 90 18:20:02 GMT > I "view" Gulf Breeze as the sleepy little oversized Sand-bar Then you have a completely wrong view. Gulf Breeze is a fairly small upscale bedroom community on a peninsula in Pensacola Bay. On one side is Pensacola Beach, which would be comparable to, say, New Smyrna Beach. On the other side is Pensacola and surrounding suburbs, a large urban sprawl, home to a US Naval Air Station, a Naval aviation training field and the USS Lexington. In other words, a fairly large metropolitan area. In this metropolitan area, 294 sighting reports by more than 250 different people, not including Ed, have been filed with MUFON. Many of the reports are of incidents that took place years ago. A late development...... Recently reports have been of red lights in the sky that behave very oddly. A retired fisherman (shrimper, I think) called up an investigator and said that they've been seeing the red lights in the area for decades. *Before* all the aircraft traffic in the area. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: GB debate Date: 14 Jul 90 18:24:03 GMT Forget about Ed Walters for a moment. What would you think of 294 sighting reports made to MUFON by more than 250 different people, as of last Sunday? That's what's going on in the Pensacola area. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Overall refuted Date: 15 Jul 90 02:47:00 GMT Gulf Breeze Double Trouble by John B. Hicks In his recent publication, Gulf Breeze Double Exposed, Zan Overall attempts to prove that Ed Walters knew how to make a double exposure with his Polaroid camera as early as 1986. If this knowledge were proven, serious doubt would be cast on Walters' credibility, since he told MUFON investigators that he did not know how to make a double exposure in 1987. Overall's examination of the subject is coherent except that he apparently overlooked one vital factor, as we will see. Overall uses the now infamous "Ghost Demon" photograph as the basis of his conclusion. He concludes that the anomalous blobs of light in the upper left area of the photograph could not be the result of anything other than an intentional double exposure. The "Ghost Demon" photograph: The photograph in question was taken by Ed Walters at a party in his house in 1986 with his Polaroid camera on Type 108 film. The photograph is of a girl standing in front of a background, which has been identified as a black-painted plywood support board for Walters' son's science fair project. Above the girl's left shoulder appears several large, unsharp blobs of light areas which some claim is supposed to represent the image of a ghost or demon. The camera: The camera Walters used is an unknown model Polaroid camera. It takes Type 108 or Type 107 (black and white) film, has an autoexposure capability, and uses flashcubes. The camera is about 14 years old. If the light level drops below the capability of the autoexposure system, the shutter stays open for as long as the shutter button is depressed. Zan Overall's thesis: Overall proposes that the "Ghost Demon" picture could only have been made by an intentional double exposure. That is, he claims that the picture could only be the result of taking a picture of whatever would provide the desired effect, and then taking a picture of the girl on the same sheet of film. Discussion: Overall overlooked or did not know of two very important factors, both of which were involved in the making of the UFO photographs, and would have been involved in the making of the GD photograph. ***continued*** -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar) Subject: Re: video Date: 14 Jul 90 11:12:00 GMT In a message to John Komar <07-13-90 12:12> John Hicks wrote: JH=> > John, I just missed you at the symposium! Madeline saw JH=>you, JH=> > shouted to me, but I was too late! You had a purple JH=>striped JH=> > shirt on. Oh well, maybe next one.. JH=> I wanted to meet you too. I spent so much time looking at JH=>nametags I didn't see many faces. ;-) he,he, I know the feeling! Talk about the saying, "your just a name to me..." Let me net mail you a few things, if it's okay. regards, John -- John Komar - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar) Subject: Re: tidbits Date: 14 Jul 90 11:13:00 GMT In a message to John Komar <07-13-90 12:13> John Hicks wrote: JH=> > Hmm. we were on Gulf Breeze beach that night, but didn't JH=>see JH=> > anything. Must have been the sand dune. JH=> I understand Friday night's sighting was around 02:30 and JH=>Saturday night's was about 04:30. No other info. We called it a nite about 0130! I wish I was still down there! John -- John Komar - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jym.Fox@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jym Fox) Subject: Re: More GB Date: 14 Jul 90 14:13:00 GMT Gee,Jim.....Does he ever get on that other ECHO....you know the one I mean..... Hey Ray....are you ever over there????? Jym "The OTHER moderator" Fox ps....Don't forget I know where the SwampGas is . -- Jym Fox - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jym.Fox@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: ILL BREEZE Date: 14 Jul 90 17:57:00 GMT * Replying to a message originally to Jerry Woody: JS> JS> Could Ed be working for the Feds? Only in the sense that he pays taxes. ;-) -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: TIDBITS Date: 13 Jul 90 17:19:48 GMT As usual the rumor mill turns out 80% correct information? Actually the purpose of this message is one of the last things you mentioned. A fake UFO photo contest! What a great idea. This way it would be possible to find out how future fakes may have been made, before much time and money is wasted in analysis. Example: Some guy named Ed makes some photos using methods documented from the contest. They can be seen and replicated and prevent future frauds. (maybe I should have said some John Doe?) Anyway, it would be interesting to see what people come up with, and what methods they use. Creative photography! -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson) Subject: Re: Ill Breeze Date: 16 Jul 90 04:19:00 GMT Jim, I have heard (read) that video was taken by someone, other than Ed Walters, perporting to show a ufo 'shadowed' by two military fighter aircraft. It would seem in my naive mode of operation, that this video would be one of THE most important of all time! Wouldn't it indicate gov't knowledge of said UFO, and sorta be the 'smoking gun' against gov't denial? Have you heard of this video, and if so, what is the current status, of any on-going analysis pertaining to same? Thanks, Steve -- Steve Peterson - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************