Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 270 Thursday, July 19th 1990 Today's Topics: Sealed Camera Re: Traffic reports, rush hour.. Re: More GB SETI Re: Traffic reports, rush hour.. Re: Rep rips E.T. Re: GB evidence chain Re: More GB Re: tidbits Re: More GB Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Re: Traffic Re: Mag-> Ufo Universe Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE CARP ILL BREEZE Re: more stuff.. Paranet Newsletter 265 Re: more stuff.. New Affiliates Re: Recent Developments ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg.Booras@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Greg Booras) Subject: Sealed Camera Date: 18 Jul 90 16:08:00 GMT I just have one question? Was'nt Ed given a 3d camera that was sealed by the mufon investigators??? -- Greg Booras - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Greg.Booras@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Traffic reports, rush hour.. Date: 19 Jul 90 05:40:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <07-05-90 7:16:> Kurt Lochner wrote: KL>Oh yeah, did I tell you that I talked to Timmy one KL>fine evening? He explained his activities as being KL>purposely provocative, Excuse me for butting in here guys, but I would like to make the observation that since I have gone head to head with Tim AND Bill Cooper on more than one occassion, it seems to me that Tim's problem isn't so much that he's a nerd, it's just that he believes to much of the gunk that Cooper feeds him. That and the fact that like Coop he has a tendancy to open mouth before putting brain in gear. BTW, I'm the new kid on the block so don't mind me... Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: More GB Date: 19 Jul 90 05:45:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <07-05-90 22:25> Tyson Mitchiner wrote: TM>I'm not saying that Ed's pictures aren't a hoax.. Im just TM>saying that the model itself COULD be a hoax. I don't TM>think that the government would do that to discredit Ed- I TM>think a more logical idea would be that a newspaper wanted TM>some more fantastic things to write about, and the model TM>was just the perfect thing to get more revenue... Tyson, Allow me to point out that some time back the Billy Mier Case ran into something similar in that a model was found in Billy's barn. Based on this, the screams of fraud were heard far and wide. I am not saying that the Mier's case wasn't fraudulent, however it strikes me as odd that all of a sudden a model shows up at "Ed's" old house. One which he has not lived in for more than a year.....If it worked once, why not twice?? It's certainly something to consider.. Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: SETI Date: 19 Jul 90 05:48:00 GMT In a message to postmaster@scicom.alphacdc.com <07-05-90 22:59> Jim Speiser wrot JS>Whoa! Now THAT'S interesting, and worth trying to track JS>down. Anybody have an "in" with NPR? Jim, As a matter of fact I have an in with a couple of people who are the Producers for NPR's "Morning Edition". This from my radio days..If I have some particulars I might be able to get them to track down a tape of that particular report from the archives in D.C. Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Traffic reports, rush hour.. Date: 19 Jul 90 05:54:00 GMT Jim, I have spoken with Jym Fox, the new moderator of the FIDO UFO Echo. He seems to be a pretty laid back guy and I have a feeling that you will see some serious changes in the Echo. The first being that this "Censored Network" business on the origin line is a thing of the past. He's got a lot of good ideas and I personally feel that he may be just what was needed. After I blasted Cooper on the other Net he flamed my tail real good and rightly so...Even if he did get a good laugh out of it... Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Rep rips E.T. Date: 19 Jul 90 05:57:00 GMT In a message to postmaster@scicom.alphacdc.com <07-11-90 00:40> John Burke wrote JB>Ed: Why don't the Greys ever abduct a guy like Conte? :-) Some one once said that they were of a higher intelligence...maybe this proves it... Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: GB evidence chain Date: 19 Jul 90 06:00:00 GMT I just saw a copy of Ed's new Book with a rather detailed drwing it of the UFO..Seems to me that this drawing or something like it could have been used to make a model.. Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: More GB Date: 19 Jul 90 06:06:00 GMT Christ! Robin, you mean to tell me that after all of these years we finally find out that Phil Klass was abducted... wouldn't that be a hoot.... How's it going guy....I pop up in the stranges places don't I? Take care..BTW I have finished that paper on "Paranormal Activity and It's relationship to the UFO Abduction Phenomenon" You can download it from my system anytime. File name "PARAUFO.ZIP". Let me know what you think... Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: tidbits Date: 19 Jul 90 06:09:00 GMT In a message to John Hicks <07-12-90 23:32> John Burke wrote: JB>more likely story. -- Probably the work of Hynek's ghost! I can imagine Hynek's ghost doing 360's at about a hundred miles and hour right about then... Bill -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: More GB Date: 19 Jul 90 06:11:00 GMT In a message to Jym Fox <07-10-90 23:21> Jim Speiser wrote: JS>There is a Ray Griffin that checks in once in a while... Jim, Ray Griffin uses my other echoes quite extensively. Want I should try and see if something can be arranged? Bill -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 19 Jul 90 06:17:00 GMT In a message to Don Allen <07-12-90 22:32> Jim Speiser wrote: JS>UFO UNIVERSE is basically 80% hype, with a few decent JS>writers and ufologists, such as Antonio and Phil Imbrogno. Jim, Not anymore..I have talked with Al Weiss the owner of UFO Universe. Apparently there is a severe financual problem with regard to the magazine and as of two weeks ago he was meeting with several potential investors in the hope of saving the magazine, even if it's under new ownership. I don't know what Tim's gonna do since I haven't talked with him since just before he left to go on vacation, but I to have come to respect him and hope that everything works out well for him. From what I am hearing though, with the exception of Tim that whole opertion was pretty hoaky.. Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Traffic Date: 19 Jul 90 06:36:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <07-12-90 12:43> Steve Rose wrote: SR>Please, no flame. But I do get a bit tired of their tricks SR>at tourism, IMHO. Steve, If that's the case you have to admit that it worked better than they expected.... Bill -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Mag-> Ufo Universe Date: 19 Jul 90 06:41:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <07-14-90 16:47> Michael Corbin wrote: MC>I am curious as to what Antonio's credentials are and what MC>makes him so outstanding? MIke, As I understand it Antonio Huneeus has been around since Jim and Coral Lorenzen days, specializing in the South and Central American Region, to include Pueto Rico. I have several tapes of his speeches at past conventions and symposiums. If you send me a blank video tape or two I'll have copies made for you and you can judge for yourself.. Bill -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 19 Jul 90 06:56:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <07-14-90 23:41> Don Allen wrote: DA>As for Antonio..he may have gotten in over his head with DA>the South African UFO story he authored. I've since heard many others DA>tell me that it was quite bogus. I have the article he wrote. DA>Seems like it was based on lots of third party info. Don, I think that Antonio got a bum deal on this one. I know for a fact that the material that most likely came to Antonio came from a gentleman by the name of Bill Knell who was the head of an organization known as "Island Skywatch". During the past year Knell was putting out all sorts of information to include some quite extensive material on the South African thing. Unfortunately it turns out that much of the material he was sending out he was changing and editorialising to suit his own desires and needs. I have copies of several letters from various members of the "Island Skywatch" Steering committee who have effectively resigned in mass when they determined that Knell was lying to them. As a result of Knell's actions several people were hurt both financually and reputation wise. Antonio Huneeus is still a good investigator, if somewhat overly trusting of Knell and the material that he provided. For a time I even believed Knell until I discovered that he was selling tapes of mine and Don Ecker's speeches at the 1989 MUFON conference in Vegas without our permission. When I confronted Knell with this he denied it. When I called Bob Girard of Arcturus Book Service I discovered otherwise. Poor Bob was so upset by the whole thing he has informed me that for now he isn't going to carry any video tapes at all. To add insult to injury there were several other people including "Bunte Magazine" in Munich Germany who got a royal enema from Knell. So don't hold the South African thing against Antonio. Knell stuck a lot of people...including me... Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: CARP Date: 19 Jul 90 07:06:00 GMT In a message to All <07-16-90 23:57> Frank Cox wrote: FC>I DL the CARP file from CIS and was wondering what everyone FC>thinks of it. I assume it's some creative writing on Frankly the way the file was originally sent to Don Ecker smacks of Bill Cooper. After reading it carefully several time I also think that he was the one who wrote it. Somehow I get the feeling that he may have been trying to see just how gullable Don was...Other than that it was garbage... Bill -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: ILL BREEZE Date: 18 Jul 90 00:07:09 GMT In a message to John Komar <17 Jul 90 00:26:00> John Hicks wrote: JH> No, I think I understand what Jim's saying. If a *big* case (Ed's) JH> is conjured up, generates controversy etc, then may later be proven JH> to be a hoax, all the other sightings are forgotten. The general JH> public says, "Gulf Breeze....a hoax." JH> See what I mean? JH> In the public eye, Ed *is* Gulf Breeze, even though we know better. Guilt by association. -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar) Subject: Re: more stuff.. Date: 18 Jul 90 09:50:00 GMT In a message to Don Allen <07-16-90 22:47> Jim Speiser wrote: JS=>That's the whole point, Don. Under my scenario, those might JS=>be legitimate sightings, indeed, they may be the raison JS=>d'etre of the whole Mr. Ed smokescreen. JS=>Jim Jim, has it been proven to be a smokescreen as you indicate? Regards, John -- John Komar - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Paranet Newsletter 265 Date: 19 Jul 90 05:33:00 GMT Alex: I'm sure someone here could run a star map program to at least narrow it down, but I think they'll need your approximate latitude and a more exact location of the object (almost overhead when facing what direction?). If you noticed a very slight haziness, it might have been a high altitude cloud layer, which got thicker while you weren't noticing, and caused the object to disappear. Just theorizing. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: more stuff.. Date: 19 Jul 90 05:35:00 GMT > In a message to Don Allen <07-16-90 22:47> Jim Speiser wrote: > JS=>That's the whole point, Don. Under my scenario, those might > JS=>be legitimate sightings, indeed, they may be the raison > JS=>d'etre of the whole Mr. Ed smokescreen. > JS=>Jim > > Jim, has it been proven to be a smokescreen as you indicate? To my satisfaction, yes. I maintain that photo #6 is your proof. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: New Affiliates Date: 19 Jul 90 00:47:00 GMT This is to announce new ParaNet affiliates. They are: ParaNet TAU Kath & Chuck Kirby Nashua, New Hampshire 603-881-9741 9600 ParaNet SIGMA-DELTA Ernst Elbe Hannover, FRG 49-511-392274 9600 ParaNet ALPHA-IOTA Rusty Ferguson Memphis, TN 901-365-7629 9600 ParaNet ALPHA-LAMBDA Bill English Alamogordo, NM 505-437-7198 2400 ParaNet ALPHA-KAPPA Chuck Ammon Pittsburgh, PA 412-264-2692 9600 ParaNet ALPHA-MU Ron Lahti La Quinta, CA 619-564-4159 9600 ParaNet ALPHA-ZETA Joe Mollica Philadelphia, PA 215-551-1485 9600 Soon to join us: ParaNet PI Clark Matthews Jersey City, NJ On behalf of the group, WELCOME! Please take a moment and write a biography about yourself and your interest in the UFO phenomenon for the group. Michael Corbin Director -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson) Subject: Re: Recent Developments Date: 19 Jul 90 04:30:00 GMT Jim, I wrote a longer reply to you, but the carrier dropped, and I suspect it was lost. Anyway...I have tried the libraries, and some of these, I like to have in my reference library at home, but it's a good point, and often overlooked source Thanks, Steve -- Steve Peterson - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************